Memphis/Sacramento Trade Rumor(Draft Express)

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http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/#Word-on-the-Street-June-2nd-3241

Most NBA teams we speak to these days are assuming that the Memphis Grizzlies have been decisively spooked by Ricky Rubio’s threats to pull a Fran Vasquez, and have instead zeroed in on Hasheem Thabeet as their likely selection with the #2 pick.

Memphis coach Lionel Hollins hasn’t necessarily given up on the idea of drafting a point guard, though, and he’s telling NBA-types that he may be interested in picking one with legit size that he can play alongside either Mike Conley or O.J. Mayo depending on the situation on the floor. Tyreke Evans is one that has come up—he comes with the added benefit of having played in Memphis, which might help the team somewhat in the ticket sales department. Jrue Holiday is another name that is beginning to get some mention here.

The assumption is that Memphis will trade down a few spots, possibly to 4th, where Sacramento can offer either Jason Thompson or Spencer Hawes as added compensation. That would surely please Rubio’s camp, as the difference between the 2nd and 4th picks is somewhere around four million dollars over the course of his rookie deal, which would make things infinitely easier as far as his buyout is concerned, and also satisfy his and his family’s initial expectations of being a top-3 pick.

There are some concerns that being selected fourth won’t cut it, and Rubio has already come out publicly in the Spanish media and stated that it’s not a foregone conclusion that he’ll be leaving Joventut this summer.

“There are possibilities of continuing in Joventut. It depends on what number I get picked and the final negotiations, but mainly the buyout clause that my agent is negotiating with the club.”

In the interview, Rubio insists that he will not leave Joventut unless a better future awaits him in the NBA. “If there is not a good project in the NBA then I will not go. If I go it is because there is a good future.”

Would Memphis qualify for that? The answer early on from Rubio’s perspective appears to be no.
 
the kings is his future...

but a trade including hawes and thompson hell no!

greene and 4th would do... we can get earl clark or who ever with the 23rd

then try to buy wiz pick
 
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For real.

Hawes...Sky is the limit, kid has a really high ceiling (no guaruntee that he'll reach it, but still..). He has offense, size, he's 20, he CAN rebound and block shots when he puts his mind to it.

JT...Breakout year coming up. Maybe I'm optimistic, but I think we're getting AT least a solid 13/9 from the kid in starter minutes (16/9 if we land Rubio haha).

If we get Rubio at the expense of JT or Hawes he better live up to the hype.
 
i think the 4th and kt will get the deal done... they cant pass up on the opportunity of salary cap relief.. due to the fact that they will have resign rudy gay after this year ( i think) also they can use the capspace to sign a guy like sessions.. ( i dont mind sessions going to memphis seriously..)
 
If Petrie gives up Thompson or Hawes + the 4th then he better be dang sure that we've got a superstar coming in.
 
hes not going to trade thompson nor hawes... its like slapping yoda after he expressed how he liked the two bigs... both already have chemistry.. and both are pretty young.. i really see greene being shipped out in a packaged deal. guys like him are replacable.
 
i think the 4th and kt will get the deal done... they cant pass up on the opportunity of salary cap relief.. due to the fact that they will have resign rudy gay after this year ( i think) also they can use the capspace to sign a guy like sessions.. ( i dont mind sessions going to memphis seriously..)
Trading KT's expiring deal for Rubio goes against everything we have been planning for the last couple of seasons.

Quite frankly, trading KT to get to pick 2 would be absolutly stupid. We need the cap space to add a free agent or a start via a trade. I think that 4 and 23 might just be enough to trade up.
 
the 4th and Kt trade will allow us to trade with the grizz with out suffering the loss of thompson or any potential young player... the 23rd pick is too valuable right now.. not unless we can snag the 5th too :p
 
the 4th and Kt trade will allow us to trade with the grizz with out suffering the loss of thompson or any potential young player... the 23rd pick is too valuable right now.. not unless we can snag the 5th too :p
23rd pick is NOT as valuable as the cap space. No way! If you have enough cap space you have a chance to trade for or sign a major piece or 2. Cap space allowed us to sign Vlade and trade for Webber. It got us a foundation of the great team. Its no different this time around.

Warriors got Baron Davis for some expiring contracts. If you have the flexibility of a cap space you are always in with a chance to get a major star. Without it, you have no hope. Pissing up KT's big expiring contract for 2 draft spots would be a huge mistake. Rubio is good but he is no saviour. He is not a franchise corner stone. He will be a very good player but you don't build your franchise around Ricky Rubio.

Also why the hell should be trade up when there is even a chance that Rubio will be available at 4?
 
well we cant take chances of him falling for us.. what if okc decides to pick him and trade him for blake griffin and at the same time clips trade baron back for gsw for their pick and fillers...

it would be fun to throw a monkey wrench in that plan wouldnt it?

im not saying it will come true but we sure as hell take away that possibility between the two

he will not be a saviour but at least it saves us from seeing 30 mins of beno at point.. i dont know outside lebron, bosh, and amar'e (though stoudamire i dont even want in a kings uni) who could be a key factor for us in 2010 free agency..
 
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Quite frankly, trading KT to get to pick 2 would be absolutly stupid. We need the cap space to add a free agent or a start via a trade. I think that 4 and 23 might just be enough to trade up.

wait, how does trading KT's contract for a pick hurt us on cap space if we're not taking back a large salary (rookie contracts are cheap)??:confused:

and trading the 4th and 23rd for the 2nd...argh, it frustrates me because we were supposed to have the 2nd and the 23rd. dammit, now i'm thinking about the lotto all over again. :mad:
 
I'll bet the Grizz settle for 3 million cold hard cash to swap picks. That's a net savings of 7 million dollars to get the 4th salary slot vs. 2ns salary slot + 3 million.
 
It certainly won't take JT or Hawes, and if you read the way that article wrote that, it was just sheer speculation. Actually, if you are Mmephis and the guy you want is going to be there at #4, there is actually a built in advantage to a straight swap -- you have to pay that #4 pick less thna you do if you took the same guy at #2. Now those things are never truly straight swaps, we might have to throw in a future pick, Donte or something. But in a draft with 20 PGs in it you aren't going to destroy your young frontcourt just to bounce two spots.

With possible movers in the top 3 and at #5 I am still trying to dream up a way to turn this into a Rubio AND Thabeet draft for us. ;)
 
It certainly won't take JT or Hawes, and if you read the way that article wrote that, it was just sheer speculation. Actually, if you are Mmephis and the guy you want is going to be there at #4, there is actually a built in advantage to a straight swap -- you have to pay that #4 pick less thna you do if you took the same guy at #2. Now those things are never truly straight swaps, we might have to throw in a future pick, Donte or something. But in a draft with 20 PGs in it you aren't going to destroy your young frontcourt just to bounce two spots.

With possible movers in the top 3 and at #5 I am still trying to dream up a way to turn this into a Rubio AND Thabeet draft for us. ;)

Rumors suggest that if Rubio + Evans go 2-3 in some order and Thabeet is left at 4 that the Kings would still pass on Thabeet. I don't see Geoff selecting a one trick pony with a top 4 pick.
 
straight up cash...and 4th for 2nd.... sounds interesting i hope petrie is considering it.. the maloofs did say they will spend! so spend on this one! dont pee it away on MLEs aka beno contracts
 
straight up cash...and 4th for 2nd.... sounds interesting i hope petrie is considering it.. the maloofs did say they will spend! so spend on this one! dont pee it away on MLEs aka beno contracts

Well if they DO this, they're spending 3.5 million on TOP of Rubio's salary as I'm sure they throw in the 500 grand they can contribute towards his buy out. But....I still say it's worth it at that price.
 
yeah they can earn that 3 mil easy in a few days.. so why not just spend!

lose 3 mil gain ten times fold on sales and stuff...
 
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It certainly won't take JT or Hawes, and if you read the way that article wrote that, it was just sheer speculation. Actually, if you are Mmephis and the guy you want is going to be there at #4, there is actually a built in advantage to a straight swap -- you have to pay that #4 pick less thna you do if you took the same guy at #2. Now those things are never truly straight swaps, we might have to throw in a future pick, Donte or something. But in a draft with 20 PGs in it you aren't going to destroy your young frontcourt just to bounce two spots.
And this is exactly where I am coming from. This draft is really deep with PGs and while I would love Rubio on my team, I am not going to give up major assets to get him. If I can swap 4 and 23 or 31 or a future pick, I would do that. Pick 4 and Greene, I would do that too but if it involves trading away Hawes or Thompson or KT and taking on a bad contract that will have a negative impact on the 2010 FA plans, then I would rather stay at 4 and pick the next best PG or trade down and try to shed a bad contract in the process.

Its not worth trading the farm away for Rubio. He is good but he is no saviour and we can get a good PG with where we are currently place.

Also an interesting rumour I read somewhere (might have been draftexpress) about Detroit wanting to free up more cap space for this FA crop and would potentially deal Amir Johnson's expiring and pick 15 to get some $3.7 million extra in salary cap room. Now if I was Geoff I would call and try to get the trade going. We would be under the cap enough to take on Amir's contract and get the extra pick (or even swap 15 with 31). We get the extra player to fill up the roster. His contract doesn't affect the 2010 FA plan and you improve your draft spots in the process.
 
And this is exactly where I am coming from. This draft is really deep with PGs and while I would love Rubio on my team, I am not going to give up major assets to get him. If I can swap 4 and 23 or 31 or a future pick, I would do that. Pick 4 and Greene, I would do that too but if it involves trading away Hawes or Thompson or KT and taking on a bad contract that will have a negative impact on the 2010 FA plans, then I would rather stay at 4 and pick the next best PG or trade down and try to shed a bad contract in the process.

Its not worth trading the farm away for Rubio. He is good but he is no saviour and we can get a good PG with where we are currently place.

Also an interesting rumour I read somewhere (might have been draftexpress) about Detroit wanting to free up more cap space for this FA crop and would potentially deal Amir Johnson's expiring and pick 15 to get some $3.7 million extra in salary cap room. Now if I was Geoff I would call and try to get the trade going. We would be under the cap enough to take on Amir's contract and get the extra pick (or even swap 15 with 31). We get the extra player to fill up the roster. His contract doesn't affect the 2010 FA plan and you improve your draft spots in the process.

Totally agree, however, I think Geoff would have to wait until July to EXECUTE the deal(unless we have a 3.7 TPE hanging around somewhere). I think OKC is under the cap NOW and could do it before draft night.
 
wait, how does trading KT's contract for a pick hurt us on cap space if we're not taking back a large salary (rookie contracts are cheap)??:confused:

Why should Memphis want KT's contract? They already have $21M worth of players expiring this summer, plus Darko ($7.5M) coming off the payroll in a year. That'll leave them with Jaric for one more year, a handful of rookie contracts, and a load of cap space...

Why should they want KT? Why should anyone want KT if we're not taking back a bad contract?
 
Why should Memphis want KT's contract? They already have $21M worth of players expiring this summer, plus Darko ($7.5M) coming off the payroll in a year. That'll leave them with Jaric for one more year, a handful of rookie contracts, and a load of cap space...

Why should they want KT? Why should anyone want KT if we're not taking back a bad contract?

I think if it were KT it's assumed you take back Jaric.
 
Rubio is far from a sure thing..in fact rumor is a lot of GMs have the same concerns as many people in this board have of him ie..lack of speed, athleticism, no shot, etc. Trading Thompson or Hawes seem like a lot to be giving up.
 
If Memphis wants size at the PG position; Beno / #31 for #2/future pick or 2nd rounder.

I don't know if that works salary wise but then we get Rubio/Harden,Hill or whatever at the #4 and a backup PG at #23.

Nevermind, Memphis won't do that.
 
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greene, 23rd,31st KT for number 2...


are you crazy? It shouldn't take even close to that to move up.

I say no JT, no Spence, no Donte in any attempt to move up 2 spots. All it should really take is one of the later picks or an expiring and THAT IS IT. It's 2 fricken spots, not like were moving up from 15 to 2.
 
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