Meet Derrick Williams

ShastaKingsFan said:
One aspect that I like right out of the gate, is we're bringing in a potential talent to try at the 3, who we know is a forward. Not someone who used to be a shooting gaurd, or can sometimes play the 2. Just a straight up forward who has the physical frame to play forward. We don't always have to refer to a player as a "small forward" or a "power forward". It is possible to just be versatile "forward".

I'm tired of the..lets try "sliding" this shooting guard to the 3 nonsense. Lets get forwards and then let them play forward positions
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I endorse this point of view: all things being equal, I'd rather have a slow player at X position than an undersized one, even in the "modern" NBA.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
One aspect that I like right out of the gate, is we're bringing in a potential talent to try at the 3, who we know is a forward. Not someone who used to be a shooting gaurd, or can sometimes play the 2. Just a straight up forward who has the physical frame to play forward. We don't always have to refer to a player as a "small forward" or a "power forward". It is possible to just be versatile "forward".

I'm tired of the..lets try "sliding" this shooting guard to the 3 nonsense. Lets get forwards and then let them play forward positions
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One of those forwards need to have a reliable three point shot. Orrrrrr .... he could be a shot blocking defensive presence.
 
Derrick Williams to be on w/Grant Napear in the 5 o'clock hour today - KHTK Sports 1140.

Looks like he'll be on just before 5PM or right after top of hour.
 
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Having now listened to 3 interviews w/ DWill since he arrived in Sac I can't say I learned very much - and didn't really expect to. It's obvious he's thrilled to be in Sac with a fresh start and well spoken about all of it. Talked about how his peeps from down south are now a lot closer to getting to see him play. Appears less concerned about whether seen as a 3 or a 4 and instead just "a basketball player who can make good things happen on the court." Reminded me and everyone that he is the second youngest King at 22 years of age after BMac. Says he's very good friends with Vasquez, knows IT since he once dropped 50 on them in U-Dub/UofA tilt plus mentioned "Big Cuz" as another friend on the team. On to the future with our young Kings!
 
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PurpleHaze said:
Having now listened to 3 interviews w/ DWill since he arrived in Sac I can't say I learned very much - and didn't really expect to. It's obvious he's thrilled to be in Sac with a fresh start and well spoken about all of it. Talked about how his peeps from down south are now a lot closer to getting to see him play. Appears less concerned about whether seen as a 3 or a 4 and instead just "a basketball player who can make good things happen on the court." Reminded me and everyone that he is the second youngest King at 22 years of age after BMac. Says he's very good friends with Vasquez, knows IT since he once dropped 50 on them in U-Dub/UofA tilt plus mentioned "Big Cuz" as another friend on the team. On to the future with our young Kings!
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thanks purplehaze. I saw one interview and appreciate your summary. I guess the proof will be on the court. I'll be there Friday and hope he amazes me. But I will be satisfied if just plays well. We certainly don't need a hot dog.
 
PurpleHaze said:
Having now listened to 3 interviews w/ DWill since he arrived in Sac I can't say I learned very much - and didn't really expect to. It's obvious he's thrilled to be in Sac with a fresh start and well spoken about all of it. Talked about how his peeps from down south are now a lot closer to getting to see him play. Appears less concerned about whether seen as a 3 or a 4 and instead just "a basketball player who can make good things happen on the court." Reminded me and everyone that he is the second youngest King at 22 years of age after BMac. Says he's very good friends with Vasquez, knows IT since he once dropped 50 on them in U-Dub/UofA tilt plus mentioned "Big Cuz" as another friend on the team. On to the future with our young Kings!
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I thought it was Jimmer who dropped the 50, may have misheard
 
Adelman tried him at SF and PF and concluded that Williams was a PF. Now all Malone has to do is prove that Adelman was wrong.
 
IT did hit the game winner over Arizona in the Pac-12 title game though. (or was it still the Pac-10 then?)
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Jimmer dropped 50 on Arizona? Geezus. Guy was a maniac in college
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Summary Fredette v. UofA:

BYU's Jimmer Fredette scores 49 points against the Arizona Wildcats on December 28, 2009 at the McKale Center in Tucson. BYU won the game 99-69 and Jimmer Fredette broke the all-time BYU record for most points in a game. Fredette also set a McKale Center single-game record. BYU now moves to 13-1 on the season.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Wow. Just absolutely zoned in rhythm. Unfortunately the only way you can come close to that kind of play is with constant playing time, which just has not been able to happen in the NBA for him
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Well to begin with you can see the obvious difference in aggressiveness - Jimmer was allowed complete freedom to come off a screen and shoot. He hasn't been doing that in his NBA career a) because defenders are much faster, stronger and bigger and it's harder for him to get a shot off with his (lack of) speed and size, and b) he doesn't have the confidence that if he misses a few shots he'll still be given PT.

I'm excited to see what Williams brings to the team. Just having another post scoring threat would help us a lot ... IMO it would make more sense to let him play in the post with the second unit to free up our shooters like Outlaw and Jimmer for outside shots. Right now second unit with no inside presence plays outside-in. But at the same time we need someone to take pressure off of Cousins ... so it'll be interesting to see what coach Malone does with his rotations.
 
mac said:
Well to begin with you can see the obvious difference in aggressiveness - Jimmer was allowed complete freedom to come off a screen and shoot. He hasn't been doing that in his NBA career a) because defenders are much faster, stronger and bigger and it's harder for him to get a shot off with his (lack of) speed and size, and b) he doesn't have the confidence that if he misses a few shots he'll still be given PT.
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Yup. In a situation here where he needs to actually be more aggressive, the opposite has happened
 
After thinking about it for a day, the trade is easier to take. There is no doubt that Williams is an athletic and strong player. He has the inside/outside game. His defense probablly won't be any worse than the Kings at the 3 BMM (Before M a M). It might be a lot better. Against some of the slightly built greyhound players like H Barnes, or the ones listed above, he might struggle. He also might be able to offer a more physical style at the 3, something the Kings have not had for a long time.
 
I had a recent Houston vs. Minni contest taped and so I looked it over to see Williams play. Frankly, it was pretty disappointing. Not the same guy I saw from college. He was slow getting back on D, didn't play with aggressiveness, made one rebound, got his shot blocked by Jeremy Lynn when he came to a two-step stop on a dribble drive, missed an outside shot. Overall, he didn't make an impact on the game at all. Seemed to me he was playing by the numbers, just going through the motions. Fairly mechanical in his movements. Looks like a 4 to me just based on this one viewing. If this is the true Williams, then the Prince is definitely a better player. If this is an unhappy player who isn't playing close to playing to his potential, then it's a good trade. The Kings management obviously don't think "what you see is what you get" because they wouldn't have made the trade if that were the case. Williams is going to have to step up his effort under Malone in order to get playing time; no way do I see Malone tolerating the motor he had in this game.
 
ppine said:
After thinking about it for a day, the trade is easier to take. There is no doubt that Williams is an athletic and strong player. He has the inside/outside game. His defense probablly won't be any worse than the Kings at the 3 BMM (Before M a M). It might be a lot better. Against some of the slightly built greyhound players like H Barnes, or the ones listed above, he might struggle. He also might be able to offer a more physical style at the 3, something the Kings have not had for a long time.
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This is basically where I 'am' as well. As for how matchups go against different types of mobile forwards,.. it helps if we remember that they always have to matchup to us as well. Seems so obvious, but it's easy to always think about what advantage they 'might' have, as oppossed to what advantage we have. In this case, we might have a lot of size/power/post..in the 'trenches' advantage. A nice change of pace

I like the potential and how we're looking, especially after being frustrated with constantly trying to jam a shooting guard into a forward position. We have a real forward in Williams who has a nice skillset. Lets see how we can develop him
 
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Kingster said:
I had a recent Houston vs. Minni contest taped and so I looked it over to see Williams play. Frankly, it was pretty disappointing. Not the same guy I saw from college. He was slow getting back on D, didn't play with aggressiveness, made one rebound, got his shot blocked by Jeremy Lynn when he came to a two-step stop on a dribble drive, missed an outside shot. Overall, he didn't make an impact on the game at all. Seemed to me he was playing by the numbers, just going through the motions. Fairly mechanical in his movements. Looks like a 4 to me just based on this one viewing. If this is the true Williams, then the Prince is definitely a better player. If this is an unhappy player who isn't playing close to playing to his potential, then it's a good trade. The Kings management obviously don't think "what you see is what you get" because they wouldn't have made the trade if that were the case. Williams is going to have to step up his effort under Malone in order to get playing time; no way do I see Malone tolerating the motor he had in this game.
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The other side of the coin view to this, is that had he not struggled in many games, such as this one you pointed out,...the odds of us getting him straight across for Moute would have been slim to none.

I think he lost his way with the wolves and just couldn't get into a comfortable rhythm. Felt like every time he made a mistake or two in that system that wasn't the best for him, that we would continually lose playing time. Not a recipe for gaining any kind of steam in the right direction.

It's been mentioned how Malone has a good feel for the mental game in the NBA. The strides for change mentally have already begun. In one of his interviews, he mentioned that coach Malone told him not to worry about mistakes...just make up for them on the other end of the floor. Communication style from a head coach to a young player, or any player for that matter, can make a big difference
 
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Kingsfan23 said:
This is a reason, like the T-Rob pick, that I can't even hate on Petrie for the pick as other folks do in hindsight. Jimmer was a baller in school and was high upside/high downside, just didn't work out
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I would disagree with you on that, but then I have an irrational level of hatred for players who don't play defense in college. :)
 
Kingsfan23 said:
This is a reason, like the T-Rob pick, that I can't even hate on Petrie for the pick as other folks do in hindsight. Jimmer was a baller in school and was high upside/high downside, just didn't work out
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There is no hindsight about it. College is for kids, the pros are for grown men. When you've watched the NBA long enough, seen the size and physical abilities of the players in it, when you see a college All Star who doesn't measure up physicaly, who's small for his positon, who is between NBA positions/sizes...you better take a looong hard squinty eyed look at him, and you better be real sure. Real sure. 1/2 tweener. 3/4 tweener. Three quarters of those type players fail before they even reach the league just on physical inability alone.
 
I might be one of the few people but I really like to not only see Jimmer succeed on this team but I want to see him receive some consistent minutes.
 
bloom said:
I might be one of the few people but I really like to not only see Jimmer succeed on this team but I want to see him receive some consistent minutes.
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If the plan is to play Williams major minutes at the SF spot then you'd expect he and Outlaw to take most of the SF minutes. Which would suggest that Salmons would play most of his minutes at the SG spot. (The position I'd prefer him to play)
I don't know if Jimmer is going to end up with a lot of minutes, especially consistently, unless one of the following happens:
A: He's able to beat out Salmons for the spot
B: He's left to play a lot by Malone with the idea of getting show-cased
C: Salmon's gets traded and a viable SG isn't brought back in the deal

Personally I'd like to see Jimmer play a lot of minutes so that way we can determine what we have once and for all. If he plays well and can fit with this team then great, perhaps we can pick him up cheap on his 2nd contract. If he plays well and someone is willing to offer back a nice asset then even better. And if he struggles badly then we can see him walk at the end of the year with no regrets while watching our win-total possibly suffer a bit due to the poor play.

The only downside that I can see for playing Jimmer a lot of minutes is if it prevents either Salmons or Thornton the time to showcase what they might have for a potential trade. Right now Thornton is our biggest problem due to his contract and the best thing that could happen would be for him to get minutes again and produce so that we can trade him for something that can in some way help this team.
 
Uncia03 said:
If the plan is to play Williams major minutes at the SF spot then you'd expect he and Outlaw to take most of the SF minutes. Which would suggest that Salmons would play most of his minutes at the SG spot. (The position I'd prefer him to play)
I don't know if Jimmer is going to end up with a lot of minutes, especially consistently, unless one of the following happens:
A: He's able to beat out Salmons for the spot
B: He's left to play a lot by Malone with the idea of getting show-cased
C: Salmon's gets traded and a viable SG isn't brought back in the deal

Personally I'd like to see Jimmer play a lot of minutes so that way we can determine what we have once and for all. If he plays well and can fit with this team then great, perhaps we can pick him up cheap on his 2nd contract. If he plays well and someone is willing to offer back a nice asset then even better. And if he struggles badly then we can see him walk at the end of the year with no regrets while watching our win-total possibly suffer a bit due to the poor play.

The only downside that I can see for playing Jimmer a lot of minutes is if it prevents either Salmons or Thornton the time to showcase what they might have for a potential trade. Right now Thornton is our biggest problem due to his contract and the best thing that could happen would be for him to get minutes again and produce so that we can trade him for something that can in some way help this team.
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That situation has occured to me as well. If Jimmer can show us something positive off the bench, perhaps he might be a replacement as our bench spark if we're priced out of IT. For instance, say we can get Jimmer for a 2yr/4mil deal and our price for keeping IT comes to 4yr/25 mil. Well, if we don't see IT as starting PG, then that creates an awfully expensive bench
 
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