McNair gone

[sactowndog]

What I am "suggesting" is that I don't accept reading between the lines as proof. Nobody whom would have the ability to definitely confirm or deny whether or not Ranadivé meddled in McNair's ability to do his job has been willing to put their name on the record as saying so. All Kings Fans really have are second and third-hand accounts from unnamed sources and a decade or so of circumstantial evidence.

I can confirm

No it doesn't. Aside from, perhaps, your Personal Record Book™, the amount of hope is the same as it was twenty-four hours ago. If Vivek Ranadivé is half the meddlesome governor that Kings Fans appear to have made up their minds that he is, then there's no incoming general manager who will do any better, because any potential general manager who would have the quote-unquote "balls" to stand up to Vivek would either a) not be offered the job in the first place, or b) refuse to accept it.

Kings Fans' only hope is that, somewhere out there, there is some sort of Long Feng type. Someone who has the sort of cloying, manipulative 'win the press conference' charisma, but is also secretly hyper-competent at their job. Somebody who can make the personnel moves they want while also manipulating Vivek into thinking that it was his idea all along.

And, personally, I don't think that GM candidate exists.

I’m not certain he does either. I am certain Monte was not that person. I was certain the day he said keep all options over. But at this point it doesn’t matter what either of us think. Monte is gone and let’s hope we get someone competent that can manage their incompetent boss with a Napoleonic complex.

one is a certainty and the other is a tiny shred of hope so common to being a Kings fan.

 

[Spike]

Didn't waste time there. Vlade, come on down! haha.

Please no.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I can confirm

With all due respect, you don't even use your real name on here, so what am I supposed to do with your confirmation?

 

[The_Jamal]

With all due respect, you don't even use your real name on here, so what am I supposed to do with your confirmation?

Just trust him bro

-sactowndog, probably

 

[Joshyjosh31]

So it sounds like McNair had the trade all setup to get Cam Johnson or another wing and it was vetoed by Vivek.

My god what an absolute moron wasn’t it only gonna be for the 12th pick too

I also should’ve known nobody working the front office would want dermar when you have fox than get Lavine later. That idiot vevik heard not like us and made Monte sign him

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Just trust him bro

-sactowndog, probably

I'm not even accusing @sactowndog of lying or making it up. But, if the person who is claiming to have this intel isn't willing to put his name on it, why should I believe it? At least, in the case of a reporter, they're putting their professional reputation on the line.

 

[The_Jamal]

I'm not even accusing @sactowndog of lying or making it up. But, if the person who is claiming to have this intel isn't willing to put his name on it, why should I believe it? At least, in the case of a reporter, they're putting their professional reputation on the line.

Yep. I've had this same exact qualm, but I'll leave it be from here

 

[Section 101]

Where’s this from, radio reports?

Well, when the teams told a trade is about to happen for a wing and it falls through. Then the player who most wanted the trade gets traded who Monte didn't want to trade. It adds up.

I've thought all along Vivek didn't want to pay Fox a max contract let alone a super max is the reason he was traded.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I've though all along Vivek didn't want to pay Fox a max contract let alone a super max is the reason he was traded.

We offered him the max the first second we could. I have many complaints but this isn't one of them.

 

[Section 101]

We offered him the max the first second we could. I have many complaints but this isn't one of them.

No we didn't. We offered the maximum extension available at the time. Which was way lower than the max available now due to years of service in the league.

 

[Warhawk]

No we didn't. We offered the maximum extension available at the time. Which was way lower than the max available now due to years of service in the league.

We offered the max available at the time we offered it. We couldn't offer more at the time. I think that was the point.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

No we didn't. We offered the maximum extension available at the time. Which was way lower than the max available now due to years of service in the league.

7 years is the next bump in maximum contract levels, the contract was offered at the completion of his 7th season.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Temporarily closing thread to move Scott Perry news/commentary to Perry thread, will reopen when finished and keep Monte discussion here.

Edit: Reopened, let's keep this thread on Monte!

 

[Section 101]

7 years is the next bump in maximum contract levels, the contract was offered at the completion of his 7th season.

Last summer he could get an extension for 3 years $165 mill. He was betting on himself getting a supermax or at least a 4 year $229 mil by waiting a year.

The only player that might take the 3 year deal is one with an injury history that might not get offered a max deal a year later.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Last summer he could get an extension for 3 years $165 mill. He was betting on himself getting a supermax or at least a 4 year $229 mil by waiting a year.

The only player that might take the 3 year deal is one with an injury history that might not get offered a max deal a year later.

Now we are talking about the super max and not the regular max. The original statement was Vivek did not want to pay him the latter, which he was more than willing to pay.

Qualifying/not qualifying for the Super Max is/was on Fox to do himself.

 

[Section 101]

Now we are talking about the super max and not the regular max. The original statement was Vivek did not want to pay him the latter, which he was more than willing to pay.

Qualifying/not qualifying for the Super Max is/was on Fox to do himself.

Correct, but at the time of the trade the supermax was a long shot.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Correct, but at the time of the trade the supermax was a long shot.

At the time of him refusing to sign the extension after injuring his pinkie it was too.

Fox was already gone by the point we could even offer the extension which the team was desperate to give him. Let's just acknowledge that. The team invested a lot in Fox and made him the focal point in Y2 of Brown to give him a real chance at that supermax deal. Even after Domas signed a team friendly extension.

It would have been offered.

We're paying stupid money to Zach now anyways. Vivek is just misguided, but he'll pay guys he thinks are worth it.

 

[SacTownKid]

I find it difficult to assess Doug. As he himself said, he has had to coach about 3 different teams in half a season. Having alignment between the GM and coach is almost as important as having a good owner so Monte wanting to open up the search while still considering Doug makes sense.

I still think with all the tribulations a coach coming in half way, before and after you traded your star, changed out half the roster, etc. would have to be pretty much a given considering they kept their heads above water. In a way that's a commitment to one thing that wasn't completely falling apart. If he falls flat the next season you make the change, or whatever. Christie is the exact coach you should be looking at unless he's making demands about roster construction because he's not there yet. If Monte had a vision for his roster which he couldn't have, although he did make moves that weren't totally off the wall construction wise but that was a clear buy low on fit to make a run and just get what you can for your star considering the circumstances.

 

[SacTownKid]

So it sounds like McNair had the trade all setup to get Cam Johnson or another wing and it was vetoed by Vivek.

Thank god. Vivek for GM. That other "wing" was named John Collins right? The trade was supposedly done. Imagine if the Kings were still in this spot yet launched out yet another 1st rounder on top of it!

 

[Tetsujin]

Didn’t realize Mike Scotto was so tight with the Daryl Morey GMing tree though lmfao

he and Amick out here just putting every single damn thing Monte’s people are telling them out into the world lol (All the good moves: Monte/ All the not good moves: Not Monte)

 

[Tetsujin]

Thank god. Vivek for GM. That other "wing" was named John Collins right? The trade was supposedly done. Imagine if the Kings were still in this spot yet launched out yet another 1st rounder on top of it!

Yeah but getting run out of the play-in hits differently when it’s led by a guy you drafted (Fox)!

Also the likely scenario would’ve been doing a desperate trade for John Collins to keep De’Aaron’s camp happy and then still having to trade him this summer when he inevitably still asked out but out a bunch of assets/Devin Carter and with no Jonas or Huerter trade exception to show for it.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Thank god. Vivek for GM. That other "wing" was named John Collins right? The trade was supposedly done. Imagine if the Kings were still in this spot yet launched out yet another 1st rounder on top of it!

I still think that the snag was Fox not committing on an extension. But the point is 100% correct whoever made the decision, you can't send out draft capital the year after Fox would depart if he left us in FA. That's NBA Malpractice. yes it is.

 

[SacTownKid]

I really thought Vivek had learned to get out of the way with Monte, with all the "Monte didn't want to do..." I can see for sure Vivek being the one to make the call on Mike. I am sure that the way the contract extension played out and then the record and losing streak caused that. I don't think Brown should have demanded the extension through the media how he did. But hey now he gets paid to coach from his couch.

Vivek certainly forced the Zach trade, possibly not Zach or nobody else, but I imagine Monte wanted a trade that would build around the players we have with more incoming draft capital where Vivek wanted another star back to win now. Fit be damned. That's always been my chief complaint with Vivek - the inability to take a step or two back for a huge leap forward, but at least the guy has some integrity on that front. Unfortunately fans who bought tickets for next season at inflated prices are now going to pay dearly for this stubbornness.

DDR though, was that Vivek? Or someone else? A player? Wes? That's really the move that put the proverbial stick in the spokes. As some folks said when it happened it was going to be a terrible fit and it was.

As for Christie, I don't know if he's the best coach long term but I thought he did all that he could be asked. This is one where I think Monte could be working from self-preservation vs. anything else. Unfortunately I think in order to attract a top GM the decision has to belong to the new GM and so Doug will wind up a casualty. And then where do we go with the coach?

I don't know, maybe Vivek just got impatient or lost trust because of decisions he viewed as wrong by Monte and Wes? Even if that's the case right now it's looking really bad and I don't trust his ability to attract a top notch GM to the Kings. I don't trust his ability to get the right assistants in to help Doug succeed next year if he's retained and I don't trust anyone's ability to bring in a decent coach based on our recent track record.

Thankfully in the end it's all about money and egos and those shoes will get filled I just hope we haven't set ourselves back a decade.

If the Kings are smart, the exact coach they need is DC right now. And that coincides with a REBUILD. Dougs specialty since coming here has been in development and that's where this needs to go. Vivek better not **** the bed here and actually at least do a partial reset around youth and flexibility. Get a haul for Domas and make DeMar happy. A very easy and clear path forward to potentially not having another decade long drought is in sight, but it needs to start now. Thankfully the Fox trade involved some picks and things. The pick this year is what it is but the path forward is clear. Operation 2027 needs to start asap.

 

[SacTownKid]

I still think that the snag was Fox not committing on an extension. But the point is 100% correct whoever made the decision, you can't send out draft capital the year after Fox would depart if he left us in FA. That's NBA Malpractice. yes it is.

Monte did a lot of good things. His willingness to send out 1st rounders for role guys and hamper his flexibility was Vlade esque.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

If the Kings are smart, the exact coach they need is DC right now. And that coincides with a REBUILD. Dougs specialty since coming here has been in development and that's where this needs to go. Vivek better not **** the bed here and actually at least do a partial reset around youth and flexibility. Get a haul for Domas and make DeMar happy. A very easy and clear path forward to potentially not having another decade long drought is in sight, but it needs to start now. Thankfully the Fox trade involved some picks and things. The pick this year is what it is but the path forward is clear. Operation 2027 needs to start asap.

We were going to lose a pick sooner or later I am glad its now. Unless we win the lotto. Just rip the friggin bandaid off.

I do think we'll at least try to right the ship for half a season before going full rebuild but right now it just feels inevitable.

I freely admit to being a vibes guy and my vibes now at "Luke Walton being given another season" levels.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Monte did a lot of good things. His willingness to send out 1st rounders for role guys and hamper his flexibility was Vlade esque.

It's clear he did not value non-lottery picks. I would have liked to see us be buyers in last year's draft. There are guys I think could have been immediate improvements.

Although I'd like to understand where the DDR pressure really came from - the players? Brown? Vivek? If Vivek we're screwed.

 

[Tetsujin]

Monte did a lot of good things. His willingness to send out 1st rounders for role guys and hamper his flexibility was Vlade esque.

I don’t really begrudge the Huerter trade because when he was good that first year, he was really good but the protections that Monte or Wes put on the pick made it pretty much impossible for the Kings to make another move without selling the whole house.

 

[SacTownKid]

We were going to lose a pick sooner or later I am glad its now. Unless we win the lotto. Just rip the friggin bandaid off.

I do think we'll at least try to right the ship for half a season before going full rebuild but right now it just feels inevitable.

I freely admit to being a vibes guy and my vibes now at "Luke Walton being given another season" levels.

One thing is for sure. DeMar was flat pouting about his future. Can't blame him either. Gotta go. Personally, at this point I can't see Domas wanting to stick around and getting out while ahead for both parties makes sense. I was all for giving it until next deadline but Vivek just pulled the reset card by firing Monte. The only sensible thing is a rebuild now. The deadline WAS the retool. It's over, time to start fresh, get the cap under control, get what you can for your "stars". If the Kings go further in on the heels of this? Get ready, this could get UGLY. Like back to the days of Salmons and squashed first round talent.

 

[SacTownKid]

It's clear he did not value non-lottery picks. I would have liked to see us be buyers in last year's draft. There are guys I think could have been immediate improvements.

Although I'd like to understand where the DDR pressure really came from - the players? Brown? Vivek? If Vivek we're screwed.

And like you said at least that pick should finally convey this season. It's the dragging it out that hurt the most. You can't hamstring first rounders for 3-4 years like that unless you are contending.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

One thing is for sure. DeMar was flat pouting about his future. Can't blame him either. Gotta go. Personally, at this point I can't see Domas wanting to stick around and getting out while ahead for both parties makes sense. I was all for giving it until next deadline but Vivek just pulled the reset card by firing Monte. The only sensible thing is a rebuild now. The deadline WAS the retool. It's over, time to start fresh, get the cap under control, get what you can for your "stars". If the Kings go further in on the heels of this? Get ready, this could get UGLY. Like back to the days of Salmons and squashed first round talent.

But getting Zach always meant we were going to be stuck starting three players that play the same position until one of them went and the other either left or agreed to take a bench role.

Domas is saying the right thing in his presser now. Loves Sac. Loves Doug. I think that means he is going to request a trade.

DDR, he can't be gone soon enough in my book. I don't disrespect what he brings but he is not a team player.