Marshall signs with the CAvs

There are 5 teams in the East that are better then Cleveland right now. Miami, Detroit, New Jersey, Indiana and Chicago. They have no defense down low Hughes is not your best match for Lebron. It could get really ugly in Cleveland especially when Lebron splits for NY, LA or Chi.
 
Well, we have one more source, I guess.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/nba/07/19/marshall/index.html


The Cleveland Plain Dealer, citing unidentified sources, reported Tuesday that the Cavaliers signed Marshall to a four-year contract worth between $20 million and $25 million.


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So uhm, is the Cleveland Plain Dealer a tabloid-ish paper as well? It sounds rather...odd. I hope the NY Post isn't amongst those "unidentified sources" btw :D




EDIT: Seems to be confirmed by AP now.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/nba/07/19/marshall.ap/index.html
 
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NOBODY can sign any free agents right now. If a newspaper is reporting "that the Cavaliers signed Marshall to..." whatever, it's sloppy reporting. It may seem like a technicality but if they make basic mistakes like that, you have to wonder what else they get wrong...

Kind of like the Bee lately. Marty McNeal said the free agents signing would start July 14 (wrong); Joe Davidson said Mike Bibby averaged 6.8 rebounds last season (wrong); etc.

In this day of instant information, you'd think newspapers would try a little harder to get the basic things right.
 
LPKingsFan said:
Hmmm... looks like they're overloaded at the SG and PF spots, precisely the positions the Kings are weakest at. Your move, Geoff?
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I don't think Gooden and Newble can really make our team that much better. Castoffs from a team that missed the playoffs in the eastern conference? Is that really what it's come to?

Cleveland will be very good next year. Hughes and Marshall will provide good outside shooting. Z is also a good shooter from midrange, and while not fantastic on defense, will provide something. And LeBron is LeBron, whether he continues to improve at a tremendous pace or not. Miami should be better than them, but Shaq continues to age and won't be as dominant, and they've got some key role players who might not return. I still think they will be better. Detroit lost Larry Brown, and, seeing as they looked lost without him last year, we should wait to see if they will be as good as their championship form. Indiana will be a good defensive team, and fairly well rounded, but they are hardly much better than Cleveland, especially if they feel a post-Reggie hangover. The Bulls are good, but too young to truly compete. And this is a team that went down to Larry Hughes and the Wizards last year, there is no reason to think that Hughes, teamed up with LBJ, Z and Marshall, couldn't do it again. The odds are definitely against them coming out of the East, but I would not put it past this team.
 
Hughes is a bad shooter -- worst thing he does.


Think Indiana has a good chance this year if Artest remains sane. people forget they were a 61 win team two years ago, and Tinsley/Jackson/Artest/O'Neal is a serious foursome.
 
Bricklayer said:
They're better, but I have too give a big thumbs sideways and maybe even down on Danny Ferry's first, and critical, offseason as GM. What he SHOULD have been doing was building a young core to put around LeBron and let them grow into something special. Instead he is wasting time collecting aging vets that will be on the downhill slide by the time LeBron is in his prime, and basically betting the whole youth movement farm on one formerly erratic player in Hughes.
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With LeBron I think we have an exception. This guys prime may be here now, and last for the next ten years. This team is actually looking pretty good to me.
 
Bricklayer said:
As an aside, here would be an interesting way to go -- interesting to me at least. Start Marshall...at SF. Go Hughes/James/Marshall/Gooden/Big Z and just ANNIHILATE teams on the glass and in the post. Have teams outsized at every position but PF. Hughes and James together are good enough ballhandlers and passers to maybe make it work. That would be interesting.
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I don't know if Marshall can handle the speed of most SF's and if you take him out of the post and on to the perimeter on D then his shotblocking skills are wasted away.
 
Man I wish we could of signed Marshall. I know he is getting up there in years, but with the lack of good free agent power forwards this year, Marshall would of been a good sign to start for a year or two before the better fowards become available, whether by free agency or trade. He is a great three point shooter, but not only that he can rebound and block shots. Two seasons ago he was the only player to rank in the top 25 in rebounding (9.9), blocks (1.5) and three point shooting (.403)!
 
SacTownKid said:
I don't know if Marshall can handle the speed of most SF's and if you take him out of the post and on to the perimeter on D then his shotblocking skills are wasted away.
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His history suggests otherwise -- in fact I would actually argue the peak years of his entire career came playing alongside the Mailman in Utah (certainly his most succesful teams). Still got his blocks, and was a major pain the *** for us on the glass and in the post as I recall. Mismatches go both ways.

Actually think his ballhandiling is the larger problem at SF, but again with hughes and LeBron, you might have all the ballhandling you really need ala Pippen/Jordan.

Anyway, just an idea.
 
Although it would of been nice to add Marshall, I do not believe his presence alone would of made us into a legit contender. Marshall is a good player, but more of a complementary piece, if I recall we were actually looking to sign him 3 years ago, but instead we signed Keon Clark and Chicago signed him. Great move eh. But with all the young players like Kwame, Swift, probably Chandler soon signing with a team, he would of been the next best option.
 
I think Marshall will be good as a guy who doesn't have to be the #1 or even #2 or 3 guy on the team. His insomnia aside, I like Big Z, I watched him in several games last year abslolutely dominate, and hit game winners too. Hughes and James are going to get a TON of steals and run the break like... well it's going to be scary. I don't know if they will be able to challenge the top teams in the East but they will make the playoffs and maybe put up a good fight in the 2nd round. They are moving in the right direction and we all know you have to build towards a championship they don't just happen. I stopped underestimating Lebron after last year, he continually seems to improve his game and I only think that it will continue. Bringing in Hughes and Marshall and the resigning of Z as a collective I like. They might not even be finished yet...
 
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Marshall agrees; point guard next?

Euroleague's Jasikevicius expected to reach deal
Wednesday, July 20, 2005 Branson Wright
Plain Dealer Reporter
Point guard Sarunas Jasikevicius is expected to become the latest free agent to agree to a deal with the Cavaliers, according to several league sources.

News of a verbal agreement between the sides could be announced in a few days. Friday is the earliest free agents can sign with teams.

Jasikevicius will join fellow free agents, forward Donyell Marshall, guard Larry Hughes and center Zydrunas Ilgauskas to bolster a Cavs team that has made significant strides during the off-season.



So uhm, *if* this were true,

C Zydrunas Ilgauskas
PF Donyell Marshall, Drew Gooden, Anderson Varejao
SF Lebron James
SG Larry Hughes, Ira Newble, Luke Jackson, Aleksandar Pavlovic
PG Sarunas Jasikevicius, Eric Snow

Looking better and better. They can rotate PF/SF spots, but they still need a backup center.
 
Wait I just realized something.

The Cavs have the "Bird rights" to Ilgauskas, correct? That means they can sign him to any sort of deal regardless of salary cap space, no? So couldn't they agree to sign him for a certain amount, but wait and sign a whole bunch of other free agents with their cap space first, then go ahead and sign him when they are over the cap? So, theoretically, couldn't they make more additions if they sign all the other new free agents first?
 
I think that with Bird Right's free agents, they take up a certain amount of cap space unless you renounce your rights to them. Sort of like a qualifying offer type of thing. I think that's what came up when the Heat thought they'd signed Juwon Howard back in the 90s.
 
Kev.in said:
I think that with Bird Right's free agents, they take up a certain amount of cap space unless you renounce your rights to them. Sort of like a qualifying offer type of thing. I think that's what came up when the Heat thought they'd signed Juwon Howard back in the 90s.
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Think that's true, but LP may be right. Think she is actually. Might just be an order of signing sort of thing. Promise Z the money, sing everybody else, a week later resign Z. If he trusts you that is. Odd that that hasn't come up more often.
 
I think that with Bird Right's free agents, they take up a certain amount of cap space unless you renounce your rights to them.
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Ding, ding ding.

Free agents continue to count against the cap unless their rights are renounced, which would obviously void the team's Bird rights to them.

Since the Cavs plan to re-sign Z, they never renounced him and thus had their total available caproom reduced accordingly.
 
funkykingston said:
Ding, ding ding.

Free agents continue to count against the cap unless their rights are renounced, which would obviously void the team's Bird rights to them.

Since the Cavs plan to re-sign Z, they never renounced him and thus had their total available caproom reduced accordingly.
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But reduced at what rate? His salary last year?
 
It would probably be based on the required minimum wage increase. Which means that whatever bonuses the Cavs give to Z, or however much extra they sign him for, won't count against the cap, at least not during the free agent signing period before they resign him.
 
In regards to the Big Z thing, didn't the Heat have an under the table deal like that at one point(I believe when they signed Juwan Howard), and get punished for it?

The Marshall signing is pretty good, but all in all, I think Ferry panicked. Remarkably, locking in such mediocrities as Big Z, and to a lesser extent Marshall, is precisely what will make Lebron demand a trade in 2-3 years time.
 
But reduced at what rate? His salary last year?
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It's complicated, because it depends on if the player is coming off their rookie deal or not. Otherwise it is 150% of the last year's salary as long as it isn't over the max or 4 million more than the previous year (as Z would be). In that case, it is the average of the last two years of the previous contract.

In this case, signing Big Z will actually give the Cavs a little MORE room under the cap to operate.
 
funkykingston said:
It's complicated, because it depends on if the player is coming off their rookie deal or not. Otherwise it is 150% of the last year's salary as long as it isn't over the max or 4 million more than the previous year (as Z would be). In that case, it is the average of the last two years of the previous contract.

In this case, signing Big Z will actually give the Cavs a little MORE room under the cap to operate.
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Oho!

Alright Funky, I hereby annoint you the Official NME Replacement of Kingsfans.com until such time as that august member should return to his mega-posting (and CBA quoting) ways. Congratulations. ;)
 
I dont see why anyone can be truly excited about this line up the cavs have. they'll make it to the playoffs, but thats not some huge "going out on a limb" kinda of statement. they were close last year and having hughes and marshall is enough. But...ferry seems to be doing too much too soon. I cant help but think this team will collapse a few years down the road.
 
No argument from me, I agree completely.

Basically, the Cavs have pinned any real hopes of contending on the notion that Hughes will continue or perhaps improve on his stellar play from last season. Of course, it's always a gamble as to whether he can even stay healthy for the whole season. Outside of the 99-00 season he seems to miss about 20 games every year.

Even if Hughes can be that good or better, I think they'll have trouble defensively, especially if Sarunas[size=-1] Jasikevicius is really going to be their guy at the point.
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