Mark Kreidler: Maloofs need to pay up for a piece that doesn't fit

[VF21]

Not all of us were praising CAt as fact I can not recall anyone praise him for hussle defence. I have not seen Cat play defense enough to justify having him on this team given his other short comings

No, I don't think anyone praised him for hustle defense. That doesn't make him a cancer, however, which is what some of us were objecting to...

NO ONE has seen Cat actually play in our system with Bibby, Peja and Brad long enough to gauge what he might and might not be able to do. He was thrown into a situation in the middle of January and he did his best to fit in.

I can't see what's baffling about wanting to keep a tradeable piece around long enough to trade him.

Everyone talks about his shortcomings but conveniently overlook the fact that, despite a couple of injuries, during the time he was with the Kings he shot 44% from the field for us, with a 42.4% completion rate for 3-pointers, and he shot 83% from the line. In addition, he averaged 3.9 rebounds, 3.4 assists and contributed 17.8 ppg.

Cuttino Mobley isn't some scrub. He's a good player, and I still think he's worth re-signing if only to move him for other pieces we need more.

 

[Warhawk]

No, I don't think anyone praised him for hustle defense. That doesn't make him a cancer, however, which is what some of us were objecting to...

NO ONE has seen Cat actually play in our system with Bibby, Peja and Brad long enough to gauge what he might and might not be able to do. He was thrown into a situation in the middle of January and he did his best to fit in.

I can't see what's baffling about wanting to keep a tradeable piece around long enough to trade him.

Everyone talks about his shortcomings but conveniently overlook the fact that, despite a couple of injuries, during the time he was with the Kings he shot 44% from the field for us, with a 42.4% completion rate for 3-pointers, and he shot 83% from the line. In addition, he averaged 3.9 rebounds, 3.4 assists and contributed 17.8 ppg.

Cuttino Mobley isn't some scrub. He's a good player, and I still think he's worth re-signing if only to move him for other pieces we need more.

Agreed.

Yes he hit big shots, and we all loved it when he did. He also played inspired defense at times, winning one or two games for us single-handedly.

But I am not sure he fits this team's "concept" very well (maybe he could if given more time, but I am doubtful), so I think you work out a sign and trade with him and do it. You could consider making changes to the plays to accomodate his talents, but with RA in command I doubt he'd move away from what he likes just for the Cat, especially with Garcia.

 

[Packt]

I've never been a fan of Mobley since his early days with Houston. All Kriedler's criticisms of Mobley's play I believe are valid, particularly that he doesn't make his teammates better, I think he actually makes them worse. And on top of all that Mobley is mentally soft, a whiner that sets a bad tone of waekness blaming everyone but himself, not taking responsiblity for his own short comings. that attitude can rub off on a team.

Hmm, I distinctly remember him taking the blame for one or two of our losses this season because of his bad play. You couldn't have missed it if you were in Sac since a certain radio personality continuously brought it up and how it contrasted with the attitude of a Forward we traded away.

i say let mobley walk. for some reason, i feel that he may be a cancer in the lockerroom. with christie, you win some you lose some. christie's done. with the new kid garcia, let him develop and see what he brings to the forefront. he's cheaper and has a great attitude.

What has he done that would lead you to believe that? From all accounts, he got along with all his teammates and there has been no sign that he was making trouble. Don't let the "with three teams in a year" fool you.

There are a lot of things you can say about Mobley. I won't argue with the "not making his teammates better" part, but I'd never say he's mentally weak, or that he's a finger pointing cancer.

At the same time I'm not an advocate of resigning Mobley. I don't have anything against him but his game is much more suited for a team with an established player and a team that has an identity. Without that we'll see the Mobley we saw down the stretch. It’s not something we need at this time. I do understand Kriedlers argument about trading pieces. And if you think we need to win now, since we have our core already in place, it would be smart to retain an asset like Mobley. He could be a good mid-season trade candidate. There is always a team in need of shooting mid-way through the season.

 

[Venom]

No, I don't think anyone praised him for hustle defense. That doesn't make him a cancer, however, which is what some of us were objecting to...

NO ONE has seen Cat actually play in our system with Bibby, Peja and Brad long enough to gauge what he might and might not be able to do. He was thrown into a situation in the middle of January and he did his best to fit in.

I can't see what's baffling about wanting to keep a tradeable piece around long enough to trade him.

Everyone talks about his shortcomings but conveniently overlook the fact that, despite a couple of injuries, during the time he was with the Kings he shot 44% from the field for us, with a 42.4% completion rate for 3-pointers, and he shot 83% from the line. In addition, he averaged 3.9 rebounds, 3.4 assists and contributed 17.8 ppg.

Cuttino Mobley isn't some scrub. He's a good player, and I still think he's worth re-signing if only to move him for other pieces we need more.

He's not worth re-signing without a deal on the table. I would not want to be stuck with 4-5 year deal with Cat. Cat does not bring anything to the table that the rookies cannot concievably replace. What team would the Kings move him to? It's all very nice for Kreidler to throw him out as trade bait, but this is the same guy who Orlando( a non-playoff team in the East) traded for "nothing", alienating their star in the process. I don't think Cat is a hot commodity. Letting him walk may not bring instant cap relief, but it certainly does not add to the burden, and sets the Kings up well for avoiding the more important (to the Maloofs) luxury tax.

What is baffling is that everyone talks about improving the defense and intensity on the floor, and yet want guys like Cat and Songaila back.

 

[AriesMar27]

unless its a s&t there is no point in signing him.... lets just focus our energy on signing steven hunter and trading for a good pf..... or a good sg....

regardless... we should sign steven hunter and then trade for pierce..... mobley and thomas for pierce would be nice.... to bad we cant trade for our own players.... s&t darius for corliss... darius gets corliss contract amount and corliss becomes a free agent... that would be nice... it'd be like waiving him without actually waiving him.....

 

[SDKing]

Agreed.

Yes he hit big shots, and we all loved it when he did. He also played inspired defense at times, winning one or two games for us single-handedly.

But I am not sure he fits this team's "concept" very well (maybe he could if given more time, but I am doubtful), so I think you work out a sign and trade with him and do it. You could consider making changes to the plays to accomodate his talents, but with RA in command I doubt he'd move away from what he likes just for the Cat, especially with Garcia.

I think that we need to see Garcia play before we hand him Cat's starting role. I'm also not sure of what this teams "concept" is. The Kings have played the Princeton offense for a few years now, but this is not the same team. Only Bibby, Peja, and Bobby have been here longer than the last two years (except Corliss, but that's different). I think Cat is a very good player. I've noticed that a lot of people feel that bringing in one good defensive big man is going to solve the team's problems, but the truth is we have a team full of guys who play defense when they want to. Unfortunately, they seem to not want to very often. Could this be because they were so used to the run and gun game that they didn't put the emphasis on defense? Possibly. Could they be riding on the reputation that was built the last few years? Possibly. Could all of the changes that have been made recently effect morale? Sure. Could the Kings have played better defense? Absolutley, but it's rediculous to think that one person is going to turn that around. It has to be a whole team effort. Everyone on the team is capable of it. Remember how well the entire bench was playing at the end of the year when Adelman was sitting the starters for long stretches? I won't be sad if Cat is still around at the start of next season, but I will be sad if these guys don't pull together as a team on both ends of the court. They've gotten spoiled by "the good years" and it's time to claim that new identity

 

[Bricklayer]

This is NOT a team full of guys who play defense when they want to. On the contrary, Bibby has always been a bad defender. The best evidence people can find that he's ever defended ANYBODY is a two week period one summer when he wa able to stay with international junior varisty players in a lower level tournament with Tim Duncan behind him. Er..no. Peja has ALWAYS been soft, has NEVER hustled or played help defense. Brad has NEVER been mobile, never been an interior defender (indeed he has blocked far more shots for us than he did for anyone else). Don't recall whether he used to get lit up by the Kamans, Prybillas and James' of the world, but you take away a shotblocker to cover his weakness and he is very exposed. Kenny Thomas has never had the size, never blocked shots, never played for a good defensive squad. Darius was not a defender in college, not for us. Physically incabable of it, although at least he rotates. Cat has NEVER been known as a defender. His one bright moment was playing a few games of good defense on Kobe a couple of years back in the playoffs. Other than that? he's offense, not defense. And undersized and kind of soft as well. Who's left? Bobby looks like he's slipped defensively from where he once was. At his age, not surprising. Corliss has never defended well, never had a position where he could consistently matchup -- always giving away either size or quickness.

This is NOT a crew that's going to magically play "team defense" at an acceptable level. Every good defensive team needs a defensive anchor, a captain. It used to be Doug for us. He is gone. None of the potential replacements at that spot are on his planet defensively. So our captain has to come from the frontline. And of course a shotblocker up front can more than any other single player make everybody else better by not only stopping his own man, but also covering everybody else's mistakes.

The best team's in the league are anchored inside by Duncan, Wallace, Shaq, Amare...who do we have?

Mobley is not as worthless as all that. Lot of team's around the league would like to have him if the price was right. We may well lsoe him for free, but there is absolutely no reason we shouldn't put up a fight and try to get something in return (and hint hint, reports out of denver about Nene wanting more PT and being in line for more money than they can pay a backup next year).

 

[BigSong]

i gotta defend Darius. he's a quality player that deserves more respect then people give him credit for. No hes not gonna win the Kings a championship, but he works his *** off and hits his shots on the floor. And unlike cuttino, he's money well spent.

 

[ParniValjak]

No, I don't think anyone praised him for hustle defense. That doesn't make him a cancer, however, which is what some of us were objecting to...

NO ONE has seen Cat actually play in our system with Bibby, Peja and Brad long enough to gauge what he might and might not be able to do. He was thrown into a situation in the middle of January and he did his best to fit in.

I can't see what's baffling about wanting to keep a tradeable piece around long enough to trade him.

Everyone talks about his shortcomings but conveniently overlook the fact that, despite a couple of injuries, during the time he was with the Kings he shot 44% from the field for us, with a 42.4% completion rate for 3-pointers, and he shot 83% from the line. In addition, he averaged 3.9 rebounds, 3.4 assists and contributed 17.8 ppg.

Cuttino Mobley isn't some scrub. He's a good player, and I still think he's worth re-signing if only to move him for other pieces we need more.

I agree.

However, I don'r want to see the kings go crazy and overpay him. If he is back at a reasonable price, Mobley still is a good player. Like every player, he has his weaknesses but IMHO he brings more positives than negatives.

 

[ParniValjak]

unless its a s&t there is no point in signing him.... lets just focus our energy on signing steven hunter and trading for a good pf..... or a good sg....

regardless... we should sign steven hunter and then trade for pierce..... mobley and thomas for pierce would be nice.... to bad we cant trade for our own players.... s&t darius for corliss... darius gets corliss contract amount and corliss becomes a free agent... that would be nice... it'd be like waiving him without actually waiving him.....

See this is something that I don't understand with a lot of people here.

Everyone says we need to get better defensively, yet those same people say we should go after Pierce

This is a player that plays NO what so ever. He is a great offensive player but he is a HUGE liability on defence.

 

[Venom]

See this is something that I don't understand with a lot of people here.

Everyone says we need to get better defensively, yet those same people say we should go after Pierce

This is a player that plays NO what so ever. He is a great offensive player but he is a HUGE liability on defence.

This is the same Pierce who has been a league leader in steals since he came into the league right? He's no Artest, but certainly an improvement, on both ends of the floor, over either our 2 or 3 guy right now.

 

[ParniValjak]

This is the same Pierce who has been a league leader in steals since he came into the league right? He's no Artest, but certainly an improvement, on both ends of the floor, over either our 2 or 3 guy right now.

Are you seriously suggesting that steals average indicates how good someone is as a defender??????

 

[Bricklayer]

I agree.

However, I don'r want to see the kings go crazy and overpay him. If he is back at a reasonable price, Mobley still is a good player. Like every player, he has his weaknesses but IMHO he brings more positives than negatives.

I really do NOT want to see Cat on the opening day roster unless we have made major changes to the rest of the roster. That is yet another one of our "no hope" options defensively. 4 of the 5 roster spots taken up by soft defensive players. That's just terrible. Rather go with the kids in the hope that one of them turns out to be different. Not necessarily better, since we really don't know whether either guy can hack it as an NBA starter, let alone as a 17-20ppg scorer. But different.

The only exception to that (other than swapping out the other soft players)would be if we really did take a long view and brought him back with the intention of trading him in the future. But that seems unlikely, speculative, and dangerous.

Guess I'd rather have him back than lose him for nothing, but I am still holding out hope for a sign and trade save here. Actually bringing him back onto the roster for me has always pretty much depended on us trading away either Mike or Peja. Those three in a line...there are probably people on this board who could score against those kind of perimeter defenders. Small, soft, weak.

 

[ParniValjak]

Guess I'd rather have him back than lose him for nothing, but I am still holding out hope for a sign and trade save here.

And I am no different. I just don't want to lose Mobley for nothing. I would rather sign him and them trade him mid-season or later on that lose him for nothing.

Ideally, we would trade him to Denver for Nene or to somewhere else for someone who actually addresses our PF position.

 

[Venom]

Are you seriously suggesting that steals average indicates how good someone is as a defender??????

It's definitely one nice indicator. Put it this way, it makes him a better defender than Cat, Peja, or Bibby. That's a fair statement I think. Which means it would improve our defense.

 

[ParniValjak]

It's definitely one nice indicator. Put it this way, it makes him a better defender than Cat, Peja, or Bibby. That's a fair statement I think. Which means it would improve our defense.

You cannot be serious. As bad as Peja is on defence, Pierce is WORSE and less versatile at the defensive end.

Steals per game, or blocks per gam doesn't neccessarily mean that a player is a good defender and in this case THAT is the case. Pierce is alousy defender and thats the truth. The same way Miller is a lousy shot blocker despite averaging more than 1bpg.

 

[Bricklayer]

You cannot be serious. As bad as Peja is on defence, Pierce is WORSE and less versatile at the defensive end.

Steals per game, or blocks per gam doesn't neccessarily mean that a player is a good defender and in this case THAT is the case. Pierce is alousy defender and thats the truth. The same way Miller is a lousy shot blocker despite averaging more than 1bpg.

Pierce is NOT less versatile -- probably the opposite. He is also a better help defender (in that he actually does sometimes). And he may even be a better man to man defender, but that's only when he plays like it matters, which is not always.

Peja's effort is more consistent. That's both a good and a bad thing given the results. Pierce can either be better, or considerably worse, depending on his effort. When he is better he can at times be adefensive force and have a real effect on the game. When he doesn't care he's a revolving door. Much like TMac, a change of scenery might do wonders.

 

[whozit]

Reality check. Most indications are that the Maloofs are set at being below the Luxury Tax limit. It has been reported that will be around 60 million. According to hoopshype, the Kings commited salary for next year is:

Mike Bibby 11500K
Brad Miller 8750K
Predrag Stojakovic 7600K
Corliss Williamson 6000K
Kenny Thomas 6109K
Brian Skinner 4950K
Greg Ostertag 4400K
Bobby Jackson 3375K
Kevin Martin 937K
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Total ~53,621,000

This does not include the ~900K for Garcia. Add Cat in there at around the mid-level and presto you are near the Luxury Tax limit. Doesn't leave room to resign Evans and Songalia. Now if you can sign him and immediatly trade him for a Nene type player, go for it. But otherwise, since the owners have been in a penny-pinching mode, don't spend what little you have under the Maloof hard cap w/o addressing the teams real need.

In a different line of thinking, the Maloofs should (since its not my money) open the wallet (spending wisely) to get a better quality product on the floor. Companies usually either raise prices or reduce size (i.e. quality), not do both at the same time.

 

[Entity]

Somebody check on Denvers trade Exceptions. If they have have a 4 or 5 mil trade exception it would be almost perfect to sign and trade mobley for NeNe using their trades exception because his contract is only like 2.4 mil next season. I would expect Mobleys contract would start at around 7.5 mil so a 5 mil trade exception and NeNe for Mobley should work out with the new CBA rules.

Does anybody know if Denver has a trade exception?

 

[slugking50]

Hmm, I distinctly remember him taking the blame for one or two of our losses this season because of his bad play. You couldn't have missed it if you were in Sac since a certain radio personality continuously brought it up and how it contrasted with the attitude of a Forward we traded away.

What has he done that would lead you to believe that? From all accounts, he got along with all his teammates and there has been no sign that he was making trouble. Don't let the "with three teams in a year" fool you.

There are a lot of things you can say about Mobley. I won't argue with the "not making his teammates better" part, but I'd never say he's mentally weak, or that he's a finger pointing cancer.

There were several accounts of Mobley screaming/not answering his teamates. 2 at Bibby that I can recall. 1st were where Mobley was supposed to be setting a pick and he yelled at Bibby to get him the ball coming out of a timeout. The 2nd was when Bibby had to get on Mobley when he was not passing the ball and instead took several shots with men in his grill while they was a teamate wideopen for an easy shot. Adelman called a TO and Bibby told Mobley to pass the ball. Mobley ignored Bibby.

Kreidler was spot on IMO. Hopefully we can get a S&T out of him so he can damage another team.

 

[Kingsgurl]

If we let him walk for nothing, rather than working a S&T to improve the team, then I think it will be totally obvious what the MAIN goal is. Petrie is good, but re-building a championship contender (heck, even just a contender at all) while at the same time trying to trim pay-roll is a pretty tall order.

 

[whozit]

Does anybody know if Denver has a trade exception?

Entity, according to the realGM link I posted on the 2nd page of this thread, Denver doesn't have any trade excemptions. I think that is why people were putting Najera in there. Denver drafted three power forwards so his inclusion is possible to make the trade work.

If we let him walk for nothing, rather than working a S&T to improve the team, then I think it will be totally obvious what the MAIN goal is. Petrie is good, but re-building a championship contender (heck, even just a contender at all) while at the same time trying to trim pay-roll is a pretty tall order.

Petrie built the previous championship contender while the Maloofs were still willing to spend. To think that they will be able to rebuild to even being a playoff contender (not championship, mind you) while continuing to trim payroll is a pipe dream. Some added expenditures are needed. JB, I believe, has pointed out that typically the team doing a S&T usually comes out on the short end. If one could be done like the Nene trade, that would be wonderful. However, even if they don't do a S&T it doesn't mean (IMHO) that payroll reduction is the main goal. The assets at their disposal are existing player trades, mid-level excemption, S&T with Mobley and their trade exemptions (sorry VF21, if realGM is correct the team does have them). I just don't see them using all of them. (now if I could spend their money, I would) The question is what assets give the greatest chance of upgrade. I am afraid signing Mobley with the intent of trading at a later date will handicap Petrie in using the other options at his disposal.

 

[Superman]

Reality check. Most indications are that the Maloofs are set at being below the Luxury Tax limit. It has been reported that will be around 60 million. According to hoopshype, the Kings commited salary for next year is:

...

This does not include the ~900K for Garcia. Add Cat in there at around the mid-level and presto you are near the Luxury Tax limit. Doesn't leave room to resign Evans and Songalia. Now if you can sign him and immediatly trade him for a Nene type player, go for it. But otherwise, since the owners have been in a penny-pinching mode, don't spend what little you have under the Maloof hard cap w/o addressing the teams real need.

In a different line of thinking, the Maloofs should (since its not my money) open the wallet (spending wisely) to get a better quality product on the floor. Companies usually either raise prices or reduce size (i.e. quality), not do both at the same time.

The Maloofs are not cheap, as some people have decided they are since they let Keon Clark and Jim Jackson walk a couple summers ago to get our payroll down under $80 million, and now since they aren't interested in overpaying for middling-talent players.

From what I can see, upper management and ownership are willing to pay for players that they think can help improve our team. Players like Brad Miller (who got paid the same summer that we let Clark and Jackson go) who actually give us something that we need and that can't be found elsewhere for less.

If a top-tier talent player - or even a player that just adds a dimension that we need - were available, the Maloofs would be willing to pay out for him. That doesn't include Cuttino Mobley.

On the other hand, though, just letting him walk for nothing is ridiculous, especially since we gave up a big part of our team in Doug to get him. Now, if they let him walk and then put a couple of big men and a perimeter defender in the lineup in his place, then I'm fine with that. If they let him walk to free up a few million dollars that otherwise wouldn't be really adding anything to the type of team we want to build, and spend to get what we really need, I'm fine with that.

 

[Superman]

Petrie built the previous championship contender while the Maloofs were still willing to spend. To think that they will be able to rebuild to even being a playoff contender (not championship, mind you) while continuing to trim payroll is a pipe dream. Some added expenditures are needed. JB, I believe, has pointed out that typically the team doing a S&T usually comes out on the short end. If one could be done like the Nene trade, that would be wonderful. However, even if they don't do a S&T it doesn't mean (IMHO) that payroll reduction is the main goal. The assets at their disposal are existing player trades, mid-level excemption, S&T with Mobley and their trade exemptions (sorry VF21, if realGM is correct the team does have them). I just don't see them using all of them. (now if I could spend their money, I would) The question is what assets give the greatest chance of upgrade. I am afraid signing Mobley with the intent of trading at a later date will handicap Petrie in using the other options at his disposal.

I kind of just responded to a post just like this, but I just wanted to add something. First of all, there's no indication that the Maloofs aren't willing to spend. They aren't spending for pieces that we don't need, that's all.

Secondly, you're right that the team signing and trading usually comes out on the short end (like Indiana did when they traded Miller). But at least we get something in return, and if we can get a player that can contribute in one of the areas that we really need help at (defense, rebounding, toughness), then it's worth it, whether the trade happens before the season starts or at the deadline.

I don't understand how this would handicap us anymore than just letting him walk and winding up with nothing - not another player, not any cap space, literally nothing - in his place.

 

[whozit]

The Maloofs are not cheap, as some people have decided they are since they let Keon Clark and Jim Jackson walk a couple summers ago to get our payroll down under $80 million, and now since they aren't interested in overpaying for middling-talent players.

Fair enough, me saying that they are in a penny-pinching mode may be a little harsh. But there is evidence of it, such as the Barry(?) and a 1st round pick for Cleaves trade. Pure cost-cutting move to the detriment of the team move. I hope your right that they will put out to improve the team. It seems to me that the last few years there has been an adversion to doing that. Salaries have dropped, prices have raised. I do not expect them to go back to the $80 million dollar level of payroll.

I don't understand how this would handicap us anymore than just letting him walk and winding up with nothing - not another player, not any cap space, literally nothing - in his place.

In the article by Kriedler there was the assertion that the Maloofs would like to be below the Luxury Tax limit (a Maloof imposed hard cap if that is accurate). There isn't much room between what is already commited in salary and what the Luxury tax limit would be (at least the level that has been reported). If they are going to remain close to that level, they can't absorb the salary from a S&T, use the mid-level and exhaust the trade excemptions. That is not even including resigning Songalia if desired (excluding Evans 'cause he will probably take some of the mid-level). I can see them using a combination of those, just not all of them. As I have said before, I am not against doing a S&T immediatly that improves the team, but am against signing him to do a trade at a later date.

I actually think we are saying close to the same thing as far as Mobley goes. I just think we may have a different opinion on the Maloofs willingness to take on substantially more salary. I hope your right because I am afraid that this is one time that it will cost added salary in order to improve.

 

[ONEZERO]

Plain and simple, a S&T is what we need. And why do some of u think that if petrie signs mobley, he might not trade him right away? If he wants to sign mobley, he most likely has had a S&T plan ready.

What is this nonsense about the maloofs being cheap. What players do u guys want them to sign. If there was the right deal in place to open cap space, don't u think they would spend money to sign a much needed player?

Also, whoever said mobley can't play defense? If he's on a pretty decent defensive team(unlike our wonderful kings) then he plays pretty good D. Just ask kobe bryant.

 

[Kingsgurl]

I never stated that the Maloofs were 'cheap' However, I do believe the days of spending freely to improve the team are many years behind us now. We can all agree that Petrie is a smart GM, correct? As such, I am sure he didn't pull the trigger on the Mobley trade without thinking it through and knowing that Mobley walking and the Kings ending up with squat to show for the trade was a very real possibility, perhaps even a probability. We know, too, that the powers that be had already decided last years team was going nowhere, so the move wasn't made to add the one piece for THAT season, right? Which leads me to believe, if they let him walk without attempting to somehow leverage his available salary slot into someone we can use, I will have to conclude that the deal was made to SHAVE that money.
Trade exeptions are nice, but we have had them before and not used them. Just because they are available doesn't mean they will be used this year either. The moves made this summer should answer the question of which is the more important goal, cap management, team improvement, or a 'do what you can under the lux tax' kind of attitude. All well within their rights as owners, to be sure.

 

[VF21]

The moves made this summer should answer the question of which is the more important goal, cap management, team improvement, or a 'do what you can under the lux tax' kind of attitude. All well within their rights as owners, to be sure.

Agreed.

And if it's the latter, then the season ticket holders will be within their rights to adopt an "I'm not gonna pay THAT kind of money for tickets to watch a mediocre team" attitude.

It's going to be interesting, if nothing else.

 

[AleksandarN]

Cuttino Mobley isn't some scrub. He's a good player, and I still think he's worth re-signing if only to move him for other pieces we need more.

I aggree 100% to that part but like I said I do not think he fits this team.

 

[VF21]

Yes, I know. You've said it repeatedly.



He didn't fit this team very well between January and April. That doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't fit this team between November and June. One could argue that he just didn't have enough time to establish a real niche for himself. One could; but I'm not going to ... for the simple reason I think we've just about reduced the equine carcass to nothing more than a few chips of bone and perhaps a little hide at this point.

GO KINGS - whoever happens to be wearing the uniform 118 days from now.