Man, LeBron is destroying the Pistons right now.

The kid is just amazing. He's 19. 19. He's better than Kobe at 19. Better than McGrady at 19. Better than KG at 19. Better than perhaps anyone* EVER at 19 (I'll put an asterisk there for a guy like Moses Malone). Who knows how he compares to MJ at 19. I am not a Lebron jocker -- if he was 29 rather than 19 he'd be a great player, but not a revoltionary one. But at 19 he is out there leading his team in every conceivable fashion. He looks like the smartest, most mature, most physically gifted guy on the floor. And you're not susposed to do that or be that at 19.
 
Bricklayer said:
The kid is just amazing. He's 19. 19. He's better than Kobe at 19. Better than McGrady at 19. Better than KG at 19. Better than perhaps anyone* EVER at 19 (I'll put an asterisk there for a guy like Moses Malone). Who knows how he compares to MJ at 19. I am not a Lebron jocker -- if he was 29 rather than 19 he'd be a great player, but not a revoltionary one. But at 19 he is out there leading his team in every conceivable fashion. He looks like the smartest, most mature, most physically gifted guy on the floor. And you're not susposed to do that or be that at 19.
well said... if he keeps this up he will be up for the MVP... Garnett and others can put up numbers but the way Lebron is carrying his team is unbelieveable and his numbers are MJ numbers.... This is crazy...
 
39pts right now against the Detroit Pistons on 15-21 shooting. :eek:


The really amazing part, is he is out there right now extending the lead agaisnt the Pistons with a lineup of : Lebron, Eric Snow, Ira Newble, Disagna Diop and Tractor Traylor. The Bobcats would be embarrassed to field that lineup (minus LeBron of course).
 
I've also been watching this game with my mouth hanging open. LeBron has looked absolutely unbelievable tonight, and it is frightening to think of just what this 19 year old will be capable of doing in his career, if he keeps his head on straight. The Piston's haven't been able to do anything but watch LeBron gut them all game long, or foul him...
 
I wasn't on the Lebron bandwagon before the season began last year, but after watching him, it was evident that he was able to do things as an 18 year old that no other 18 year old has ever done in the league, and he's just continuing his maturation this season. The kid is sick. The really, really frightening part about Lebron is that he probably hasn't even reached his athletic peak, and won't for another 3 or 4 years! He's talking about being able to jump higher this year than last year! And, he's not even a really consistent outside shooter yet.

He's playing in a league with arguably the best athletes in the world in terms of a combination of speed, quickness, lateral movement, fluidity, leaping ability, strength and hand-eye coordination, and he's effectively got no peers already in less than two years. May be a few guys can jump a little higher, and some guys are a little faster, and little guys are a bit quicker, and big guys are a bit stronger, but he's just an unbelievable combination of all of those attributes, and he's got his head on straight, unlike others (here's looking at you, 'Melo). I'm just hoping that he suffers no serious injuries in his career because it'd be a shame to deprive the NBA of his talents.
 
Great game for LeBron. Seemed like he could do nothing wrong. He is here to stay!!! Even I kept on thinking that he was quite over-rated being compared to Jordan already. But now I can see why people are so excited about him.
 
I'm a fan of LeBron and know he's going to be a big star in the NBA. :) I'm glad he had a great game and got a career night!! Good game, LeBron!
 
Most impressive part of the game for me: the post game interview. When asked about his career high, he said something along the lines of "We got the win, how many points I scored really doesn't matter, I'm just happy we won."

This kid is truly a class act. It's like he always knows exactly what to say. I liked him a lot last year, I like him even more now.
 
i didn't see the game tonight, but i've seen enough of lebron to just go WOW. he is AMAZING. this guy is freaking my age, i can't believe he's not only good enough to be in the NBA with the best players in the WORLD, and he's one of the best!!!! it's like hmmm and what have i done with my life........

forget kobe as the next MJ, it could easily be lebron ( if there is such thing as another MJ )

lebron for MVP
 
one thing I want to point out is, not only the 43 points scoring ability, but the fact that he control the game really well........not really force himself that much like Kobe and such score-first guys...........he's like Magic Johnson with better scoring skill but less passing skill......(which I think Lebron will achieve that level sooner or later)
 
Evenstar said:
i didn't see the game tonight, but i've seen enough of lebron to just go WOW. he is AMAZING. this guy is freaking my age, i can't believe he's not only good enough to be in the NBA with the best players in the WORLD, and he's one of the best!!!! it's like hmmm and what have i done with my life........

forget kobe as the next MJ, it could easily be lebron ( if there is such thing as another MJ )

lebron for MVP
I'm getting well ahead of myself here, but forget another MJ. Question is who is going to be the next Lebron. That's how high I think this guy's ceiling is if he can keep his head on, avoid serious injuries, and get a solid core around him.
 
4cwebb said:
I'm getting well ahead of myself here, but forget another MJ. Question is who is going to be the next Lebron. That's how high I think this guy's ceiling is if he can keep his head on, avoid serious injuries, and get a solid core around him.
you are way ahead of yourself..... because as kings fans we should all be aware of what happens during the regular season doesnt alway translate into the playoffs, lets also not forget about injuries... assuming that lebron ever gets to the playoffs and is never seriously injured carrying the cavs.
 
Double-K said:
one thing I want to point out is, not only the 43 points scoring ability, but the fact that he control the game really well........not really force himself that much like Kobe and such score-first guys...........he's like Magic Johnson with better scoring skill but less passing skill......(which I think Lebron will achieve that level sooner or later)
Lebron has plenty of passing skills. I see him as a Magic/Jordan tweener.. for now at least. Plenty of players were called the next MJ at one point we'll see how he pans out.
 
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AriesMar27 said:
you are way ahead of yourself..... because as kings fans we should all be aware of what happens during the regular season doesnt alway translate into the playoffs, lets also not forget about injuries... assuming that lebron ever gets to the playoffs and is never seriously injured carrying the cavs.
Agreed --- hence the qualifiers, which were all pretty hefty.
 
LeBron was insane tonight. The way he just put his team on his back to bring them out of a slump was amazing!

Here's a neat little nugget. In the 3rd quarter he either scored or assisted on all the baskets!:eek:
 
Gargamel said:
He has bits and pieces of the game that Magic had even as a rook. He's a great young player, but the MJ/Magic comparisons make me laugh.
They don't make me laugh, but I tire of them easily. People are always concerned with finding the next "(insert NBA icon's name here)" instead of appreciating what certain players can do.

Regarding LeBron, I don't necessarily think the comparisons are off base. The kid is simply amazing, and barring injury or legal trouble, I can easily see him being of the best players ever. Not the next Michael or the next Magic; I think he's good enough to be LeBron James and create his own legend, separate from those other players. Maybe not better, maybe worlds better, but he'll be able to stand on his own.
 
I recorded the game, just so I could watch it and when I finally did I was simply amazed. Sure he jump shot isn't perfect, but the kid flat out knows basketball. Its like he is somehow connected with it on a whole different level and the game goes in slow-motion.

Simply amazing.
 
Stunning, this kid is the future of the NBA. He could be better than Kobe, maybe by a lot.

But man his defense is pourous, he needs to work on it a lot.
 
Actually Lebron is one of the main reasons why Cleveland has had a significant improvement in defense this year.. Cavs leads the league in points allowed and their opponent field gold percentage is among the tops in the league. I think its preety safe to say Lebron is the most rounded player in the L not named KG.. By year's end, it wouldn't surprise me that it's a definite conclusion that he is.
 
living legend said:
Actually Lebron is one of the main reasons why Cleveland has had a significant improvement in defense this year.. Cavs leads the league in points allowed and their opponent field gold percentage is among the tops in the league. I think its preety safe to say Lebron is the most rounded player in the L not named KG.. By year's end, it wouldn't surprise me that it's a definite conclusion that he is.
Among the best perimeter players in the NBA, LeBron is in fact nearly dead last in keeping his man from scoring on him. Guys like Bowen, AK, Wade, and Kobe this season have kept their man to eFG%'s of between 38% and 42%. This year LeBron's man has looked like an All Star, scoring at an eFG of 53% and a PER of nearly 19 (http://www.82games.com/04CLE6C.HTM). Just horrible.

He needs a lot of work defensively. But man, offensively, he's been the best perimeter player in the NBA so far this season, next to Wade and Kobe (Wade's been having a hell of a year, too). We'll see if it lasts, it would be great fun to watch if he can keep it up.
 
KA_2 said:
Stunning, this kid is the future of the NBA. He could be better than Kobe, maybe by a lot.

But man his defense is pourous, he needs to work on it a lot.
But it's not cool to play defense. Everyone knows that...:rolleyes:
 
KA_2 said:
Among the best perimeter players in the NBA, LeBron is in fact nearly dead last in keeping his man from scoring on him. Guys like Bowen, AK, Wade, and Kobe this season have kept their man to eFG%'s of between 38% and 42%. This year LeBron's man has looked like an All Star, scoring at an eFG of 53% and a PER of nearly 19 (http://www.82games.com/04CLE6C.HTM). Just horrible.

He needs a lot of work defensively. But man, offensively, he's been the best perimeter player in the NBA so far this season, next to Wade and Kobe (Wade's been having a hell of a year, too). We'll see if it lasts, it would be great fun to watch if he can keep it up.
Good number work. Gives a measure of perspective regarding his defense. Watching him, you wouldn't really single him and his defense out, since he plays good team defense. But his man defense obviously needs to improve.

People are also forgetting that Dwayne Wade has the luxury of playing alongside Shaq in Miami. He has a lot more room to operate than James.
 
Magic was never a very good defender, but he was still one of the all-time greats. It'd be ideal if LeBron turned into a capable defender that could sometimes play stifling defense, but I think the more realistic scenario is for him to refine his ability as a defensive playmaker. Maybe something like what Allen Iverson has become. AI isn't a particularly good defender, but he plays the passing lanes and uses his quickness to get lots of steals. If you're not going to be able to stop someone you can at least pick his pocket a few times.
 
Kev.in said:
Magic was never a very good defender, but he was still one of the all-time greats. It'd be ideal if LeBron turned into a capable defender that could sometimes play stifling defense, but I think the more realistic scenario is for him to refine his ability as a defensive playmaker. Maybe something like what Allen Iverson has become. AI isn't a particularly good defender, but he plays the passing lanes and uses his quickness to get lots of steals. If you're not going to be able to stop someone you can at least pick his pocket a few times.
But Magic was at least an above average defender, LeBron's not even average at this point. And offensively, Magic was the greatest perimeter player of all time next to Jordan. Can LeBron do that? Hardly a certainty at this point.
 
Superman said:
People are also forgetting that Dwayne Wade has the luxury of playing alongside Shaq in Miami. He has a lot more room to operate than James.
Eh, I'm not so sure about that. I think Wade would be doing just about as well as he is now. The impact Shaq's game has on players is vastly overrated IMO. He has huge impact on spot up shooters, but not great perimeter players. Great perimeter players like Wade or Kobe or anyone else will produce just about as well with or without Shaq. It may be harder to do so, but they're so talented that they'll still do so.
 
dwayne wade is a MAN! i've wathed every Heat game this season (league pass). he is freaking amazing to watch. much better shot than king james & 'mello. he doesn't have the physical size of course, but his talent & quickness are amazing. he can explode to the rim at any time from any angle. and he plays defense like a mad man. for entertainment purposes, give me wade right now over every player who isn't named KG.
 
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