nebs
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He did for sure. Here's his twitter.. http://twitter.com/#!/dontegreeneCOS scroll down to his tweets from yesterday.
Maloofs-- Well played?
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He did for sure. Here's his twitter.. http://twitter.com/#!/dontegreeneCOS scroll down to his tweets from yesterday.
Livinthedream
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I think if the Maloofs were smart, they would have let the city know they were in negotiations with Anaheim. That would have given both cities the opportunity to compete with each other over a period of time and the Maloofs get the best possible deal. It probably would have netted the same result they are going to get now as far as Sacramento mobilizing to get something done and they would appear to be deceptive or dishonest.
I don't know how the Maloofs expected to come out ahead in Anaheim if Anaheim didn't have to work to get them. When push came to shove, Anaheim just really hasn't put up a fight. Maybe they just felt entitled and the league was just going to give them a team because they are better than Sac in every way in their minds. I have no doubt that the Maloofs feel entitled.
I don't know how the Maloofs expected to come out ahead in Anaheim if Anaheim didn't have to work to get them. When push came to shove, Anaheim just really hasn't put up a fight. Maybe they just felt entitled and the league was just going to give them a team because they are better than Sac in every way in their minds. I have no doubt that the Maloofs feel entitled.
The Hammer
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If the Maloofs can't be counted as smart, they can at least be counted as incredibly lucky.
To think that all the sudden they're going to poof add 20 mil to their bottom line w/o increasing costs, per year (perhaps) over the next 2-4 years... is a phenomenal business outcome. But perhaps it it just lucky.
If they are as "bumbling" as all here say they are... man I just have a hard time believing that... but it may be true. It's hard to believe there isn't at least someone in their camp, George, Phil, **** even Mom, that would be able to execute at least a smidge of negotiating basics.
I also don't think there would have been a situation (say Maloofs informing Sac that they are in negotiations with Anaheim) that would have been able to net the 10 mil in increased "sponsoships" the way this last minute frantic run did. It's amazing what pressure will do. Perhaps they could have ratcheted up that TV contract number though.
Finally, I'd say that perhaps they chose not to be more public with their dealings with Anaheim is that they thought it would affect attendance. In reality, attendance has gone up since the news of the Anaheim deal.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This seems the FAR more likely reason. All of this master plan/manipulation the Maloofs are being accused of now is really pretty comical. These guys are not braniacs, and their touch has just been horrid over the years.
On the other hand we absolutely know they are in financial distress, and now as well that in places like Seattle when the team was as good as gone the arena emptied out, thus speeding/easing the demise. I was sincerely worried that would happen in Sacto, I'm sure so were our financialy strained owners. So you keep it secret and try to sneak away in the middle of the night to get the best deal you can. You will recall that it was not the Maloofs who finally broke that story back at the All Star break either. If it was up to them, they might very well have kept it quiet right up until the end of the season, went to the BOG, got their release, and been gone. As its played out, other people are determining thier fate now, dictating to them their terms. They've lost almost all of their credibility in both Sacto and amongst the owners, to the point people are calling them kids and pressing them to leave the big boys club and go back to their sandbox. A master plan this ain't.
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The Hammer
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A mater plan obviously not... but I don't draw such hard and far distinctions between either yoda like master plan or bumbling toddlers in a sandbox. That's a good trick if you are a lawyer arguing a case (no offense meant whatsoever)... but in reality there are variations of awareness of the process when you're talking about a group of minds involved over a period of time.
I keep thinking back to that they are a group, and they employ a group of people... no doubt intelligent people... attorneys, etc. We're not just talking about the face of the Maloof empire, the guys (boys, kids, whatever).
Thing is, musn't there have been at least a glimmer of awareness that if they planned (even if thinking and wanting to execute) a move to Anaheim that it might motivate Sac to sweeting and grease things up?? And that in the back of their minds would they not be at least open to the possibility of return. And at what point did this awareness dawn on them... because there have been some quotes and actions (more as of late, but still not quickly reported by the Bee), that do indicate they are at least trying to keep a bridge or two intact and pave the way for re-entry.
Perhaps all of that is only after they saw how much KJ was able to mobilize and materialize, though.
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Löwenherz
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The Hammer
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The Hammer
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Are you THERE!?!?!
nebs
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No, no. It's the SonicsGate guys. http://twitter.com/#!/Sonicsgate
The Hammer
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Are they rooting for or against the Thunder. It appeared to be for.
Section 101
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So did Stern intentially mention the Anaheim deal all-star weekend to see if Sacto would rise up? Was that calcuated on his part?
nebs
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Against. They are rooting for the Nuggets with Sonics signs and Cowbells.
The Hammer
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Oh ho.... interesting take...
I'd say it's much more likely he played the yoda role.
Gary
All-Star
And people wondered if we would be fans of the Kings if/when they left lol.. Sonics fans are living our worst nightmare... Makes me pissed off that such good fans got their hearts ripped out.
....... or maybe by Sterns himself, but who cares if they stay.
I don't think they wanted to be kicked out of their own game. What the former Mayor's mistake and the city's mistake may have been is working with the Maloofs. KJ got Burkle on board, which gave him a stronger position to work from and then allowed him direct access to the NBA and the BOG. Once the Maloofs were circumnavigated and cut-out, things started getting done, which says to me that if this is what they wanted then they weren't any good at getting it done when they had the power to.
Aenadin
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insulting/burning bridges/decieving/(insert what they did wrong here) one of the best and passionate fans in the NBA by failing to put up effort in showing they do care about them by doing GOOD business.. and at the same time looking like they are inept owners to the rest of the owners and stern is Something I really can't say well played.. its like they played a game they are not suppose nor are capable to be playing...
jalfa
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mr. moustache
Bench
Come on now. Financially, there's a smidgen of hope for them in Sac. I promise that they are unhappy with being publicly humiliated and politically neutered through this fiasco.
The way things are going; they'll be forced to sell the Kings. Not exactly awesome for them.
The way things are going; they'll be forced to sell the Kings. Not exactly awesome for them.
origkds
What- Me Worry?
Plain and simple I think the Maloofs felt like they had exhausted their options in Sacramento and felt like the grass was greener in Anaheim. That said I have to believe that someone in their organization must have speculated there might be a remote possibility that Sacramento would try to entice them to stay. If they were in fact losing money in Sac and felt they could lock in a deal that could turn a profit somewhere else, they had nothing to lose by moving. As a business owner I would certainly feel bad about leaving my loyal customers but I’m no good to anybody, especially myself, if I go out of business. KJ responded to the threat of the Kings moving so the Maloofs inadvertently created more options for themselves. The NBA has a say in the matter so the Maloofs may not have complete control of their destiny but they at least have more options than they did before they started talking to Anaheim.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Well said.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Things would only be compacted if John Brockman somehow wound up on their team
Look at the Palms pre-2006 expansion. They were geniuses in turning a modest off strip property into a desert hot spot. They spent somewhere between 1/4 and 1/6 of the typical new build and were attracting locals and celebrities alike. They had the hottest club in town for a while. That doesn't happen by accident.
I don't really understand how they didn't see the real estate crash coming but they aren't the only ones.
Aenadin
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^ one of those decisions was selling the beer distributorship that was an error in judgement it was truly a mistake... first thing to go when an economy goes south are the luxury businesses like casinos. but no matter what, people will always have room in their budget for a little booze. is there an article in here that explained that move?
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