Looking ahead to the 2023 Draft

I mean the consensus is very far different from what your claiming. From my view you haven't presented a compelling enough argument to warrant a thorough response.

"The C spot looks very thin" Am I to assume your familiar with James Nnaji?

Classically public opinion of many of the potential draftees peaks in march, n then after the season as fans get more familiar with the names n faces n potential 'warts' opinion tends to simmer. So we haven't really reached the most important games for evaluation yet.. Ya know? Especially us as a potential playoff team, we wanna see who's gonna perform in do or die situations.

If you want to present like an itemized thorough debunking naming names, or tiers of the draft, we can have at it. But really my firm belief is at this point its clearly a situation in flux.

The late MF Doom said "The more you know, the more you know you don't know crap", n really gauging the July drafts depth here in mid February seems like that sort of fruitless endeavor to me.

Just think of this point last year Jalen Williams was maybe like 55th on someones mock.. He ends up in the lottery, n is now thorougly outperforming almost evey rookie in the class.. Malakhi Branham was on like 0 mocks at this point n was being written off as a potential 2-and-done, he ends up in the lottery.
Getting one of the Kings most valuable players in Barnes by maintaining flexibility and moving youth, space, and enders isn't compelling enough? Sure is for me. Yeah, March might change the value of that pick but the unfortunate reality for Monte is Holmes is a huge roadblock in adding that firepower he likely needs and he doesn't have a ton of options to get it out of the way. Is a decent pick worth forgoing the chance to gain the same type of flexibility that landed them one of their best players and a huge part of this turnaround? Draft night should be interesting for sure and yeah, we'll have to see what the gap looks like from late teens to mid 30's once the draft comes around. Right now, in the 20's who is the player you would sacrifice the potential to have possibly 30-40 million in space for? And again, that's assuming this pick can even get it done, it might not. If not then yeah, swing for the fences.
 
Just think of this point last year Jalen Williams was maybe like 55th on someones mock.. He ends up in the lottery, n is now thorougly outperforming almost evey rookie in the class.. Malakhi Branham was on like 0 mocks at this point n was being written off as a potential 2-and-done, he ends up in the lottery.
Curiosity got to me, so I actually decided to look this up, and you're 100% right.

I looked up ESPN's 2022 Best Remaining Players from almost exactly a year ago. I listed what pick they were actually drafted at compared to where they were ranked on 2/17/2022:

  • 9th pick: Jeremy Sochan, ranked #31
  • 12th pick: Jalen Williams, ranked #60
  • 17th pick: Tari Eason, ranked #30
  • 18th pick: Dalen Terry, not ranked in top 100
  • 19th pick: Jake LaRavia, ranked #56
  • 20th pick: Malaki Branham, not ranked in top 100
  • 23rd pick: David Roddy, ranked #39
  • 31st pick: Andrew Nembard, ranked #54

There will definitely be guys who rise up out of "nowhere" as the season starts coming to a close.
 
Another absolute dud/no show from Amari Bailey at UCLA last night. He's projected near the bottom of the 2nd rd these days, and for good reason, lacks an obvious translatable NBA skill, he's 6'4 and rail thin (probably ~175lbs).

He could pan out still, its just some team is gonna need to have a lot of faith in getting him to develop a lot. Which isnt out of the question. Maybe the Kings could capitalize on this situation somehow, or ya know, maybe it's worth not getting our hands dirty over, im still unsure, reports closer to the draft should bring a lot of clarity to his situation.



Jaylen Clark on UCLA on the otherhand was SO good in this game, really looks like an NBA player in this one.. It's kinda hard to belive he'll be on the board in the 50's when you look at a game like last nights.. Clarke looks like a rich mans version of Justin James to me, he looks more like a backup to me as James was more of a 3rd stringer. I hope the Kings have some level of interest in him, could be a good fit here.


No freakin way should Adem Bona be higher than James Nnaji on any boards.. That really seems like quite a reach to me..
 
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Kylan Boswell is a freshman at Arizona but he's actually too young to be eligible for this draft, he's really playing a whole lot better off the bench for Zona the last month or 2. Him and Pelle Larsson will factor heavily into how far this team can push in the tourney.

While Zona completely smacked Utah last night, and while Brendan Carlsen only had a few rebounds, you can still see the 7-footer on Utah played relatively well vs Zona's stacked frontline.

Carlsen just stands out to me as some guy whos treated like some persona non-grata going into the draft n then a few years later he's in the NBA and people are like "hey he's pretty good on both sides of the ball, what gives that he had no draft hype?"
 
so Gonzaga scored 68 points in the first half last night.. Julian Strawther dropped an efficient 30points on 10/15 from the field. I'll edit in the highlights if/when they get posted.



Strawther is going nuclear of late... Like I've been saying he'd be rediculouys value where he's currently projected for the Kings, however Its pretty hard to believe that those projections are accurate given his play of late.
 
ya know who James Nnaji reminds me a bit of the more I look thru his footage... Ever since I realized this I cant shake the comparison from my mind.



James Johnson..

He looks like a longer armed and leaner version of James Johnson to me...

which ya know, obviously, the Kings could use that sort of player...

N I mean I'm very familiar with what James Johnson looked like at Wake Forest (as I was with John Collins at Wake Forest)... James Johnson at Wake Forest could certainly be described as "a wrecking ball" n Nnaji has that type of energy in spades as well.
 
I wanna change my "who i'd pick in the first right now" to


Consider me way above the consensus on Mahaney.

If our PG depth chart next season is Fox, Mitchell, Mahaney --- I'm really cool with that, sign me up. Probably wont happen. It's an interesting scenario IMO.

Some might remember that I was confident that Kyle Guy could get drafted way ahead of his march explosion n them winning the chip. Nico Mannion and Ty Jerome are recent draftees worth comparing to this kid Mahaney too. Probably Landry Shamet, Austin Rivers and Peyton Pritchard too. Though I guess Rivers isnt all that recent :mad: time flies.

Mahaney appears to be less limited than those guys. I trust him more. He's got good balance to him, I dont mean his skillset, I mean athletic balance, I guess the word acrobatic gets thrown around.

He does something spectacular, if your a parent of some basketball players you should show them how Mahaney gets compact n maintains a low center of gravity with his dribble while probing the defense then picks his spots to 'get big' when needed. This is what separates him from players like the 6 I listed above, while he may never be a true PG at the NBA level he has that classic triple threat game 'deep in his bag' (in my best mark jones voice). It really helps him process the game in a way that looks like a future pro, thats I guess how he's passed my eyetest.

I'm not gonna claim to be some expert on this player, lets just say I have a very good feeling about what I see. His game is sharp, this player has obviously done quite well in honing his skills. I'd figure he'd exist more on the perimeter than trying to get to the paint in the NBA but it seems he's got the skill for that.

He does appear to have excellent dexterity. He's 6'2 or 6'3. 41% 3pt shooter freshman year on 5.7 attempts and he's really about to be asked to pilot a good team thru some very big games, so sorta, the stage is set.


Randy Bennett is going to sing his praises. Type of PG who makes a coach look really smart.


He's sort of got some Manu Ginobili type of flare to his offense... idk maybe thats overstating it... I think a PG like this as our backup could be really killer though. He seems like the type of player who'd have no problems 'hitting the ground running' coming off the bench. Teams gotta sort to catch their breath when Fox gets off the floor as you've probably noticed, this kid is kind of surgical n maybe he could drop bombs on the other team in that span, which obviously Davion Mitchell is not that guy...

Dellavedova is a placeholder here. Lets be real. Mitchell if he does great, thats great too, we'd be left with a bunch of interchangeable combo guards not redundant pieces, who all have trade value.... On the otherhand if Mitchell were to fizzle out I'd sure like a backup PG like Mahaney here to step in behind Fox.


Mahaney turns 20 in August too so he's not exactly your normal aged Freshman. This player for damn sure isnt a 4-year college basketball player, lotta people think he can go in the first in the 2024 draft, I'm wondering if we cant get him on sale a year early aka the Anfernee Simons special.


Also this is a California kid... Im a new yorker n dont know the geography of Cali, obviously Coleman Hawkins is from Sacramento, but It seems Mahaney's sorta got hometown hero written all over him too.. Its hard to believe he wouldnt be a crowd favorite.
 
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JOSE ALVARADO, Undrafted Free Agent, wins the MVP of the Rising Stars challenge over all those lotto picks last night!!!


You might say, thats completely irrelevant to this draft.... But I dont think so.. I think it's quite relevant.. N especially in this discussion about the quality of this years depth.


It's funny, so I have a friend who's an AAU coach here in New York, he's coached many players who would eventually make the NBA, Montrezl Harrell was his favorite.

He wasn't a fan of Jose Alvarado, he thought Kofi Cockburn(played for Illinois past few years) who also went to Christ The King HS here, was gonna be the one who made it. ***He's always biased towards his players/against the players he's gotta face, usually. I think he's seen many 6' guards he thought was gonna make it flame out n lumped Alvarado in with them.
 
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Curiosity got to me, so I actually decided to look this up, and you're 100% right.

I looked up ESPN's 2022 Best Remaining Players from almost exactly a year ago. I listed what pick they were actually drafted at compared to where they were ranked on 2/17/2022:

  • 9th pick: Jeremy Sochan, ranked #31
  • 12th pick: Jalen Williams, ranked #60
  • 17th pick: Tari Eason, ranked #30
  • 18th pick: Dalen Terry, not ranked in top 100
  • 19th pick: Jake LaRavia, ranked #56
  • 20th pick: Malaki Branham, not ranked in top 100
  • 23rd pick: David Roddy, ranked #39
  • 31st pick: Andrew Nembard, ranked #54

There will definitely be guys who rise up out of "nowhere" as the season starts coming to a close.
See I might not be right all the time (never claimed to be) but I do have a decent memory for this stuff. The Dalen Terry thing was crazy thx for reminding me about that.

Basketball news is the only news I pay attention to... I'm woefully unaware, and frankly completely unconcerned/comfortably numb, in regards to the latest consumer trends, the latest mass shootings, the latest outrage over political injustice, which tv shows are popular, etc.


Lets just talk about Dalen Terry for a second..... 6'7" broad shoulders, lean strong and explosive, point guard skills, winner, unselfish as can be, defensive maven.. NOWHERE TO BE FOUND ON MOCKS ALL COLLEGE SEASON... N ya know why? cuz all these morons want to judge every single wing in the mold of a 3-n-d (but yet at the same time Malaki Branham's unrankedo_O...)


One of the best of these stories is Terry Rozier, ESPN/DX HATED ON HIM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, every step of the way, treated him as a bottom of the 2nd rd at best guy, they felt their criticisms were objective and just! Rozier played so much harder than your avg college baller too(which hurt his shooting %'s), how crazy for them to evaluate him as more of a 3rd stringer than a backup who could step in right away. N he ends up going in the 1st rd n retweeting the bs they wrote about him over the years - it was truly glorious n one of the reasons ya cant rly trust these lists/mocks at face value, often these services double-down when all the signals should be telling them to fold, it becomes a matter of 'confirming previous biases' rather than being objective... Nowadays Rozier has a 4 year $97MM contract.
 
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6'11 241lb Sophomore Jonas Aidoo, whos got a 7'4 wingspan, has been starting for Tennessee. While his stats arent going to wow anyone, he is considered a 3-n-d center prospect, who can shoot it and block shots.

It's really a situation worth monitoring, if anyone profiles as someone who could slip into the draft with nondescript stats it's a player like this.

He's talented. All the big schools wanted him.


Jahmai Mashack has also entered the Tennessee starting lineup. He profiles as a plus defender at the NBA level and has excellent tools for that job, built like Victor Oladipo, though he's certainly not a 2023 draft prospect.


Chris Livingston for UK whos sorta become a forgotten man in this draft is having a really strong start to this game. UK needs this win so bad.
 
Kansas is insane right now!!!! After hard losing the first half they start the 2nd unleashing a 34-9 avalanche on Baylor's collective head.



They have 1 turnover as a team 30 minutes into this game!


Keyonte George's 6 turnovers are hurting Baylor but he's playing great aside from that.
 
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Bryce Hopkins, whos projected at the bottom of the 2nd, is thoroughly outplaying Cam Whitmore, the projected lotto pick, at his own game in this Providence-Villanova showdown..


You want evidence of the depth in this draft? take a look at this game/matchup.

Hopkins is a dog! If a game like this doesnt boost his stock idk what will.
 
Taylor Hendricks got posterized trying to block an Ody Oguama dunk today.


I want to see how Hendricks measures out at the combine, I'm not sure I buy him being a legit 6'9. He can shoot the 3 ball though.
 
Brandin Podziemski grabbed 15 rebounds yesterday?!?! what? 5 assists 0 tunorvers 4/8 from 3... what a statline.. I dont wanna throw too much shade to the level of competition but its fair to say he's not grabbing 15 boards in a bigger conference..



Aiden Mahaney steps up n drills a big 3 off the dribble in the final minute to put BYU away last night. The freshman comes up clutch again!
 
spectacular showing from Gradey Dick carrying an otherwise sputtering offense so far in this big game for #3 Kansas vs #24 TCU.


He's gonna be pretty good in the NBA I think.. He seems like a safe pick too..

If he plays like this in the tournament I'd guess thats enough to get him safely into the top10.


He's got some Chandler Parsons to his game, before Parsons got injured obviously. But he's much more of a SG, he compares to guys like Luke Kennard and our own Kevin Huerter.


Imagine somehow we traded up for him? That'd be crazy, in one quick step our firepower off the bench would be upgraded before free agency even begins, n really he'd help a lot with having a PG whos not too offensive oriented like Davion.
 
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wow Reports are that Brandon Miller brought Darius Miles the gun used in the murder on that fateful night!!! wow!

I posted that story in this thread when it first happened.


I'm not so sure anythings gonna come from it Millers way though, reports are that it was for self defense. Not a good look though, a 23 year old mother was murdered. very sad, seemingly senseless, story.
 
how about the rise of Marquette into the top10 and beyond! I've been pretty early with the hype for Maxence-Prosper and Oso Ighdaro.


Particularly bad game from Arthur Kaluma, he cost Creighton this game n pretty much didn't show up after he just had such a solid game against St. Johns.

Marquette's frontline defense is no joke, its part of why Maxence-Prosper and Ighdaro are relevant to this thread.
 

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wow Reports are that Brandon Miller brought Darius Miles the gun used in the murder on that fateful night!!! wow!

I posted that story in this thread when it first happened.


I'm not so sure anythings gonna come from it Millers way though, reports are that it was for self defense. Not a good look though, a 23 year old mother was murdered. very sad, seemingly senseless, story.
Wow.

I have a lot of trouble buying the "self defense" reports.

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't touch Miller at this point. Following an altercation, which is clearly over (because the other party and the victim have gotten into their car), Miles tells Miller to go get Miles' gun out of Miller's car. Miller says, hey, that seems reasonable, I have no idea what's about to happen next! Then either Miles or Davis unloads the gun into the victim's car, killing the girl in the passenger seat. And the police say they can't charge Miller with anything? It's not accessory to murder if you're a college basketball star, is that what it is?

Wouldn't touch him. Not in the 20s, not in the second round, not undrafted. Not worth it.
 
Wow.

I have a lot of trouble buying the "self defense" reports.

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't touch Miller at this point. Following an altercation, which is clearly over (because the other party and the victim have gotten into their car), Miles tells Miller to go get Miles' gun out of Miller's car. Miller says, hey, that seems reasonable, I have no idea what's about to happen next! Then either Miles or Davis unloads the gun into the victim's car, killing the girl in the passenger seat. And the police say they can't charge Miller with anything? It's not accessory to murder if you're a college basketball star, is that what it is?

Wouldn't touch him. Not in the 20s, not in the second round, not undrafted. Not worth it.
I'm 100% with you. I'm glad the Kings won't be in the position to possibly draft him. I can't root for him anymore. At the very best, he's an insanely moronic 20-year-old man who has mental judgment lapses with legitimate character questions. The amount of mental gymnastics needed just to make it sound ok... At minimum, he should face disciplinary action from his school... but doesn't sound like anything will happen with his coach's comedic response
 

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I'm 100% with you. I'm glad the Kings won't be in the position to possibly draft him. I can't root for him anymore. At the very best, he's an insanely moronic 20-year-old man who has mental judgment lapses with legitimate character questions. The amount of mental gymnastics needed just to make it sound ok... At minimum, he should face disciplinary action from his school... but doesn't sound like anything will happen with his coach's comedic response
Turns out it's even worse than the original ESPN story I read.

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/dar...o-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html

It's not that Miles had his gun in Miller's car, and asked him to go get it. It's that Miller wasn't even at the club, Miles texted Miller to come to the club with the gun, and that not only did Miller do that, but when he arrived he apparently parked his car in such a way as to obstruct the victim's Jeep. Accessory. To. Murder. He should be on trial, not on a basketball court.
 
Oh ok so I didnt reeally have a full grasp on all the details of the story i just insta posted it here cuz i was a bit shocked when i saw the headline that miller brought him the gun.

I did post the initial story in this thread right away weeks ago, when Miles was arrested simply because it happened on such a high potential draftee like Brandon Millers team. which in my years of draft watching seemed odd/noteworthy, never expected him to be tied into the situation.

n yeah the kid is a moron, Miles. no sympathy for him. he was crying like a baby the day he was arrested n ill always remember how dumb he looked in handcuffs, n how stupid the basic description of the altercation/percieved disrespect was.
 
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