Lebron caught up in his own hype? Apparently called arenas an effing wimp...
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better than kobe or jordan? thats unproven at this point. you are going off assumptions of what he might achieve in the future. til he does, he does not belong in that category. i guess we will agree to disagree on this topic, you can continue believing he is the best thing ever to hit the nba if you want, just dont try to convince me of it.
Not sure what relevance it has in the thread?!
You brought up the greatness and rings position...I countered it...Those rings are the doings of Shaq...And no one else...Who else has benefitted from Shaq's greatness? Well, Devean George has three Shaq rings, but he is not great...But I digress from that.
Rings do not make the player...At least in my opinion.
And as for hardly proving himself, have you looked at the numbers...
Kobe: 35.4 / 5.3 / 4.5 / .450 / .347 3pt. (28 years old, 10th year in league)
LeBron: 31.4 / 7.0 / 6.6 / .480 / .335 3pt. (21 years old, 3rd year in league)
The numbers don't lie...James is right there with Kobe Bryant in every statistical category...James does average less steals, a bit more blocks, about the same TO's...I mean the numbers a very comparable.
Kobe in his third year was not yet drawing comparisions to Micheal Jordan...The fact the LeBron is even getting that praise in his third year speaks volumes...And the fact, at least I think, he is fueling that fire with his performance speaks to even higher volumes.
As I (think) I said earlier, I just believe they hype...We can agree to disagree.
You brought up the greatness and rings position...I countered it...Those rings are the doings of Shaq...And no one else...Who else has benefitted from Shaq's greatness? Well, Devean George has three Shaq rings, but he is not great...But I digress from that.
Rings do not make the player...At least in my opinion.
And as for hardly proving himself, have you looked at the numbers...
Kobe: 35.4 / 5.3 / 4.5 / .450 / .347 3pt. (28 years old, 10th year in league)
LeBron: 31.4 / 7.0 / 6.6 / .480 / .335 3pt. (21 years old, 3rd year in league)
The numbers don't lie...James is right there with Kobe Bryant in every statistical category...James does average less steals, a bit more blocks, about the same TO's...I mean the numbers a very comparable.
Kobe in his third year was not yet drawing comparisions to Micheal Jordan...The fact the LeBron is even getting that praise in his third year speaks volumes...And the fact, at least I think, he is fueling that fire with his performance speaks to even higher volumes.
As I (think) I said earlier, I just believe they hype...We can agree to disagree.
Bricklayer said:
Now did you watch that game?
If you did, you would have noticed that LeBron poured in 20 or 22 in the first half. He was ready for the big time. His teammates however...
Was also true that the Pistons just had one of those games where it was ridiculous -- at one point they had shot 11 of 12 from the three point line.
They couldn't duplicate that in an empty gym.
This whole situation is oddly reminscient of the early MJ years. His team makes the playoffs, and year after year just cannot get by the Pistons (of the Bad Boy era). Finally they get old, he hits his prime, and its 6 titles in 8 years.
If you did, you would have noticed that LeBron poured in 20 or 22 in the first half. He was ready for the big time. His teammates however...
Was also true that the Pistons just had one of those games where it was ridiculous -- at one point they had shot 11 of 12 from the three point line.
They couldn't duplicate that in an empty gym.This whole situation is oddly reminscient of the early MJ years. His team makes the playoffs, and year after year just cannot get by the Pistons (of the Bad Boy era). Finally they get old, he hits his prime, and its 6 titles in 8 years.
Arenas' first-round line: 34.0 ppg on 46% shooting, 5.5 rebounds, 5.3 assists.
James' first-round line: 35.7 ppg on 51% shooting, 7.5 rebounds, 5.7 assists.
Arenas game-winning shots: 0
James game-winning shots: 2
Washington Wizards first-round playoff wins: 2
Cleveland Cavaliers first-round playoff wins: 4
You must be using some new definition for the word "outplayed" that I was previously unaware of...
James' first-round line: 35.7 ppg on 51% shooting, 7.5 rebounds, 5.7 assists.
Arenas game-winning shots: 0
James game-winning shots: 2
Washington Wizards first-round playoff wins: 2
Cleveland Cavaliers first-round playoff wins: 4
You must be using some new definition for the word "outplayed" that I was previously unaware of...
Contrary to what appears to be popular opinion, this game says more about the Washington Wizards than it does about the Cleveland Cavaliers... *especially* if you truly believe that LeBron James is "mediocre."
And you've got the concepts backwards: talking trash to the star players on the other team when the game is still up for grabs takes balls. Now, talking trash when you're down thirty... *that* takes conceit.
And you've got the concepts backwards: talking trash to the star players on the other team when the game is still up for grabs takes balls. Now, talking trash when you're down thirty... *that* takes conceit.
Anyone who doesn't like LeBron James because he called Arenas out during overtime of a playoff game and now he's 'not a nice person' or whatever needs a serious reality check.
Trash talking is a part of the game, especially in the playoffs. Now, if Drew Gooden or Larry Hughes pulls that, then that's arrogance, over-confidence and all of that. But that's just playoff gamesmanship for a great playoff performer, and anyone who thinks that elementary school manners apply in the playoffs is fooling themselves.
Btw, LeBron is earning all the hype he's getting. This isn't premature, Harold Miner/Jerry Stackhouse -type hype. This is triple-double in first ever playoff game -type hype. Putting your team on your back and carrying them into the second round -type hype. He's doing just what everyone is saying he's doing, and he deserves the credit he's getting. Best ever? No, not yet. But three years into the League, he's putting up MVP-like numbers in the playoffs, and carrying his team on a nightly basis. When's the last time that happened?
Calling LeBron over-rated and over-hyped might be fair; calling him mediocre is just plain nuts.
Trash talking is a part of the game, especially in the playoffs. Now, if Drew Gooden or Larry Hughes pulls that, then that's arrogance, over-confidence and all of that. But that's just playoff gamesmanship for a great playoff performer, and anyone who thinks that elementary school manners apply in the playoffs is fooling themselves.
Btw, LeBron is earning all the hype he's getting. This isn't premature, Harold Miner/Jerry Stackhouse -type hype. This is triple-double in first ever playoff game -type hype. Putting your team on your back and carrying them into the second round -type hype. He's doing just what everyone is saying he's doing, and he deserves the credit he's getting. Best ever? No, not yet. But three years into the League, he's putting up MVP-like numbers in the playoffs, and carrying his team on a nightly basis. When's the last time that happened?
Calling LeBron over-rated and over-hyped might be fair; calling him mediocre is just plain nuts.
I don't like LBJ simply because he is so full of himself and you can see it in his face. During a Knicks game he was like "Its over" and they lost when Hughes missed a three at the buzzer. He reminds me too much of Kobe and since I don't like Kobe all that much (though his 81 point game was insane) I like Lebron even less. Where does a guy like him, first time in the playoffs and already being called MJ's successor have a right to be so full of himself. Don't get me wrog, he is an incredible player, but being called Heir to MJ without a ring is like me annoucing to the world that i have more money than Bill Gates and them actually believing me.
Before the series vs. Wizards started, I though James was at least solid defensively.....now I just think he is AVERAGE AT BEST. I mean there were a few instances where opponents just drove right at him without even flinching becuz he wasn't giving any effort. Really though, with his sped and athleticism there should be no excuse for the poor defensive stretches which he goes through.
There is no way LBJ can legitamately be called the heir to Jordan, until he refines his defensive game (which I am sure he is more than capable of doing). People tend to forget exactly how dominating of a defensive 2 gaurd Michael was; he would score 50 plus points while completly shutting down the other team's best scorer.
There is no way LBJ can legitamately be called the heir to Jordan, until he refines his defensive game (which I am sure he is more than capable of doing). People tend to forget exactly how dominating of a defensive 2 gaurd Michael was; he would score 50 plus points while completly shutting down the other team's best scorer.
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