Larry Brown vs. Starbury (part CDXLVIII)

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Knicks' Brown, Marbury escalate war of words
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The bickering between New York Knicks coach Larry Brown and point guard Stephon Marbury escalated into a verbal brawl on Wednesday after the team's morning shootaround, with Marbury saying their dispute has become personal and Brown claiming Marbury hasn't taken responsibility for his role in Knicks' disastrous season.

"I think it's personal now," Marbury told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan, reacting to comments made by Brown on Tuesday. "I don't think it's about basketball anymore. Now it's to the point where he's putting his 30-year career against my 10-year career. You know, coach is a great coach is what everyone says. We're supposed to be better than what we are. Did it happen now? No."

He also said Brown's comments on Tuesday -- in which he put up his record against Marbury's, pointing out he'd never left a team in worse shape than when he took over, and asked reporters to compare respective track records -- were a sign of insecurity on Brown's part.


"He always crosses the line," Marbury told Sheridan. "That's not nothing new. Certain coaches deal with certain things certain ways, and he handles his things through the media as opposed to sitting down and talking with people. And still, if you sit down and you talk with coach, it's liable to get back to everybody, so you're really not safe there either."


Brown's reply?


"So, you're the best guard in the league and the team is 17-45, yeah, it's the coach's fault," Brown told Sheridan. "I don't know why you play a team sport and not be concerned about making your teammates better and helping your team win games. That's the only thing that really matters, and if you're the best player, surely you're going to have some effect on the game's outcome."


The media-fueled fistfight between Brown and Marbury began in earnest Saturday, when Marbury complained he had not been given enough freedom on offense. Marbury is a point guard who prefers to score, and Brown has been demanding on point guards throughout his career. There were doubts the two could get along, and the tension between them boiled over this week.


"We're 17 and 45. You want to say because we don't have freedom that's why we're losing?" Brown told reporters on Tuesday. "That's fine, you can say that all you want. But the reality is, we foul more than any team in the league; since the fifth week of the season we're the second-worst field-goal percentage defensive team in the league; we turn the ball over more than any team in the league; we're close to the fewest blocked shots of any team in the league.


"Now you want freedom? How are you gonna have freedom with those stats?"


On Saturday, Marbury said changing his play hadn't helped the team.
"I went into this year trying to do something, to put myself in a situation where we can win, OK?" Marbury was quoted as saying. "To help the team win games. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. So, what do I do now, as far as the way I play? I go back to playing like Stephon Marbury, aka Starbury.


I haven't been Starbury this year. I've been some other dude this year."
Marbury followed that up with more discontent this week. Brown's response Tuesday: "That means, 'I ain't thinking about all those things that really are relevant. I ain't thinking about any of those things.' "


The coach also attacked comparisons between how he handled Allen Iverson while coach of the 76ers and how he's handling Marbury.

"[Iverson] came to every game trying to win, as hard as he possibly could," Brown said. "Played hurt, broken down, competed every single night, and we had a team around him that accepted what he could do. And they all knew that every single night he's trying to win the game. ... He competed every single minute of every game."


"I've been coaching how many years? A long time," Brown said. "I never left a team in worse shape than I got it. Not once. Now think about that. Think about me and think about the guy who's talking. All right? I've never asked anything of my players any different than I'm doing right now. Think about that.


"The bottom line is, I want us to rebound, defend, share the ball, play hard. That's all. Now if you can't do that, if that's not important enough to you, it's not on me."


Marbury's average of 17.2 points going into Wednesday was his lowest since he scored 15.8 per game as a rookie with Minnesota in 1996-97.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2369333
 
God I love this.

I love when ego's crash into the ground with such results.

Anyways, I you gotta love Starbuy...He's BACK!

3/15 Vs. Hawks.

8 pts on 2/7 FGs, 4/10 FT
2 Rebs
6 Assts
2 TOs

Starbury is Starbury again....Why didn't LB just let him play his way?
 
Let's see here...which egomaniacal ******* is right in this case?

How about both? The sad thing is they both rather have the other ******* pegged. Brown is an egomaniac backstabbing manipulative media coach who has clashed with and chased off half of the players he has ever coached. He has also destroyed the Knicks season with petulance and a refusal to trust his players...ANY of his players. Constantly shuffling guys in and out of the lineup, taking childish jabs at guys in the media, alienating the entire team. Meanwhile Starbury absolutely refuses to learn team basketball, has never won, and the only thing he has "led" all year has been revolt against the coach. Playing "his" way means 30-some wins. Admittedly an improvement on Brown's debacle this year, but still crap, and his unwillingness to change, to grow up even as he becomes a grizzled vet, is just sad.
 
I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit I'm really enjoying this...And I can already see the FOX special, "When NBA personalities collide!" The first episode, of course, will have to be Brown and Marbury. The sequel, begging to be made, could be Carlissimo and Sprewell.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2371401

Larry Brown pulled Stephon Marbury out of a meeting and sent him a message: After days of feuding, the Knicks coach still wants his temperamental guard back next season.

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"He told me he could do whatever he wants with this franchise and that he don't want to trade me," Marbury said Thursday after practice. "And that he wanted me to be here and that everything that basically went on throughout the last week was over with."

Nearly a week of fussing and verbal fighting through the media has gone on between the two, with much of it finding its way onto the back pages of the New York tabloids. The feud, though, could be simmering down.

Marbury also said it seemed clear to him that final personnel decisions would be made by Brown, not Knicks president Isiah Thomas, who has been quiet while his coach and point guard have taken potshots at each other.

Brown pulled Marbury out of a film session for their brief chat.

"He flexed a real hard juice card, I know that," Marbury said. "So he definitely made me aware of what he can do. But that doesn't scare me at all."

Marbury's salary would make him difficult to trade, anyway. Brown said he wants Marbury to return, "if he'll buy into what we're trying to do."

"I told him I just wanted him to let us coach him the rest of the year and he's not going anywhere and let's move on," Brown said. "Let's deal in the present and not in the past."

The bickering between the two began after Marbury's comments over the weekend that he needed to be more offensive minded because playing Brown's way wasn't leading to enough wins. The Knicks have one of the NBA's worst records.

Brown responded Monday night by saying he had already given Marbury more freedom than any guard he had ever coached. They kept at each other for two more days, with Marbury vowing at Wednesday's shootaround to keep talking as long as Brown did.

But Brown decided it was time to talk after watching Marbury get booed during Wednesday night's double-overtime victory over Atlanta. Marbury didn't play after the third quarter, and Brown praised his attitude while sitting on the bench.

"Basically, I told him that I appreciated the way he cheered for his teammates at the end of the game and it meant a lot," Brown said. "I was sorry that the crowd, some of the people booed him, that's never what any coach would like to see happen.

"I want to coach him and I want to make him better and I don't want him to have to go through what he's gone through. I really was proud of the way he acted," Brown said.

The relationship between Brown and Marbury has been closely watched since Brown became the Knicks coach last summer. Marbury prefers to score, while Brown has been demanding on point guards throughout his career. There were doubts the two could get along.

Brown was so unhappy with Marbury's game that he sought to have him removed from the 2004 U.S. Olympic team, though the two eventually worked out their differences and Marbury played well in Athens.

Marbury feels he's tried to play the way Brown wants him to, even though he prefers to play at a quicker tempo. He says he'll continue trying -- but not surprisingly offered no guarantees.

"I'm down for what's right," Marbury said. "Like I said, I was committed and I'm still committed to the organization, to doing exactly what he's been asking.

"He told me to play the way he wants me to play and if I don't feel like it's the right way just bear with it. And I didn't say yes and I didn't say no," he said.
 
Oh, this feud is so NOT simmering down...

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I missed parts CDXLIV, CDXLV ans CDXLVI. Does anyone know on what channel I can watch the reruns
 
I think Larry Brown is using Marbury as a proxy for Isaih Thomas. This is not so much about Stephon as Isaih, who is hands down the worst GM in sports. Larry cannot openly revolt against him right now, so he berates Isaih's favorite player, ultimately hoping to create a him(Isaih) or me situation with ownership, which Larry knows he will win. Coaching the Knicks is his dream job, he doesn't want to leave it. Moreover, Stern wants the NBA's marquee franchise to matter again. I think Isaih resigns shortly after the season ends, and starts working for either the league office or the player's union.
 
i still want to know what they are going to do with francis next season, because i dont see them trading marbury... lets just hope that thne lakers dont get him..... or do we?

what kind of players do you surround marbury with in order to be contenders? a bunch of standstill jump shooters? it works for the lakers when kobe passes the ball....
 
im not a big fan of marbury... but LB is not an angel himself.... dude fights with stars almost everywhere he goes..... in philly they had the AI thing... and now here in NY with stephon
 
^^Well regarding Larry Brown, I am personally of the opinion that he greatly improves teams defensively but seriously resticts them offensively. Larry Brown's slow offensive strategy of passing the bal around only works well with certain types of players. It is true that he led the Pistons to a championship but everyone can clearly see how much more dangerous the Pistons are now that their offense has oppened up. People forget that under Larry Brown, their defense may have been a few notches over that of Flip but their offense was often painful to watch as they would go through long stretches without putting the ball in the basket. Young teams or those with lots of athleticism (like the Pistons) should be encouraged to play more of an uptempo game. The fact that the Knicks have moer starting lineups this year than anyone can name without a reference guide is a testament to how erradic Brown can be. For all his great reputation, the truth is that Brown alienates players to the point of making them feel uncomfortable on the court. Larry Brown has also been known to create problems wherever he goes and to become discontent rather quickly. Thus, I for one, view Brown as being slightly overrated as a coach and certainly more than a little problematic as an individual (in the context of a team).
 
No problem, acisking. ;) I thought I was seeing double there for a moment.

And Fillmoe? Um, did you have two identical posts in two different threads?

I was talking to acisking. His was the post directly above mine, the one I was responding to...
 
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