Very rarely will you find a star traded for equal value. If this happened this year, the Grizz would not be under such scrutiny because of the economy. Grizz just saw it a year earlier. Call them stingy or smart, they're laughing now. They will not be competitive for another couple of years, and why not put a young exciting team on the floor at a low cost while still vying for the lottery? It's a dream come true, and it's a lie if we say we aren't envious of their position. I don't blame the owner for hitting the reset button on the team. If we had done it earlier maybe we would have as bright of a future as Memphis. Does it suck 10 times more since it gave an extrordinary player to the Lakers? Why yes, yes it does. I don't think that fact should cloud your judgment and have you sound so angry. Everybody knew this trade was a dead giveaway, but it gave the Grizzlies what it wanted. They didn't care where Gasol ended up, and they sure didn't give a damn that it would give Kobe a damn good right handed man. I don't really think that Grizz tried to screw the rest of the leauge. Even if they did, why is it such a big deal? I applaud the Lakers for taking advantage of the situation, because if the roles were reversed, we would have done the same thing.
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Very rarely will you find a star traded for equal value. If this happened this year, the Grizz would not be under such scrutiny because of the economy. Grizz just saw it a year earlier. Call them stingy or smart, they're laughing now. They will not be competitive for another couple of years, and why not put a young exciting team on the floor at a low cost while still vying for the lottery? It's a dream come true, and it's a lie if we say we aren't envious of their position. I don't blame the owner for hitting the reset button on the team. If we had done it earlier maybe we would have as bright of a future as Memphis. Does it suck 10 times more since it gave an extrordinary player to the Lakers? Why yes, yes it does. I don't think that fact should cloud your judgment and have you sound so angry. Everybody knew this trade was a dead giveaway, but it gave the Grizzlies what it wanted. They didn't care where Gasol ended up, and they sure didn't give a damn that it would give Kobe a damn good right handed man. I don't really think that Grizz tried to screw the rest of the leauge. Even if they did, why is it such a big deal? I applaud the Lakers for taking advantage of the situation, because if the roles were reversed, we would have done the same thing.
Everything you're saying is true, but that doesn't change the fact that this was an insider deal. No one else had a chance at Gasol for such a low price. And if you think it wasn't an insider deal, think about how many teams would have willingly bested the Lakers offer if given the chance.
RKid
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Lots. But right now what positives can be said about the Kings that wont get you thrashed anywhere let alone a Lakers forum. Besides two wrongs don't make a right.
If its against the rules to post articles from the LA Times about the Lakers, let me know and it wont happen again. If it isnt against the rules of the board, than what is the problem? I am not trolling, I am not being disrespectful to anyone, what went wrong? Besides no one made you click on the link.
I have no problems with you and I'd like to keep it that way.
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RKid
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Sure they do. That's my point.
Gargamel
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I don't think the Lakers made a trade with another team more than once in the last 15 yrs save for the Grizz and Hornets (at least when they were in Charlotte). They gave the Grizz Peeler and Lynch for 2nd rounders, which helped them land Shaq.
Otoh, they haven't traded with the Clips since 83 and probably won't ever again. I'd be surprised to see one with Orlando. The Wiz owe us one.
I wonder if Geoff has any peoples out there.
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AriesMar27
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thats true... there were 3 or 4 other teams that would have thrown in much better deals than the lakers did.
No denying that it was an insider deal, but the fact that the Wolves got Al Jefferson (21/11 last year, 23/11 this year) automatically makes it a more balanced deal than the Pau Gasol trade. Throw in the fact that they threw in two consecutive first rounders, and a host of other players, and you see that there's a pretty clear distinction between the two trades.
kingsnation
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^^^
Agreed.
Agreed.
Gargamel
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AJ's Dickensian name could be Badteam Statguy. Better player than Kwame to be sure, but if he's such a prize, there wouldn't be negligible difference between MIN and MEM. Marc Gasol is averaging 12/8 in his rookie year, given time he may simulate AJ's numbers in a few years.
Talent belies financial concerns. Heisley only came out later saying it was a mistake due to the backlash. The GM doesn't make trades of that magnitude without the OK from the top, period. I'm sure Heisley and their GM aren't retarded; they knew they gave Pau away in terms of talent. Obviously, getting talent in return wasn't the driving force behind the trade. As such, it's a moot point that other teams could've offered better packages.
It's not a moot point, not by any stretch of the imagination. There's a reason the NBA requires salaries to match before a trade can be approved, and it's to make sure that teams aren't trading Hamburger Helper for ribeye steaks as a favor to one team. When you do a trade, you always try to get back as much as you can. What you want depends on what the team's objectives are. But even when your objective is to lower your payroll and save money, you still want to get back the most value you can. I don't believe the Grizzlies did that, and neither do most people.
And regardless of AJ's status as a high stats/low wins type of guy (he's only in his fifth year, third as a starter, so we might be a bit premature with that declaration), he's a premium young talent. Marc Gasol is not, had not stepped foot on an NBA court at the time of the trade, and whether he winds up being the next great thing and Jefferson is out of the league in six months or not, at the time of the deals, the Celtics gave up considerably more than the Lakers did.
Agreed on the second half, but salary matching in trades has to do with the CBA and the salary cap (that is, teams over the cap have to match salary to prevent them from using trades to go WAY over the cap) rather than some sort of value-parity issue.
I'm under the impression that the NBA front office can veto trades (otherwise, why would they have to approve them?) and I would presume that the veto would be the method to avoid trades that have disparity in value. I'm surprised no veto was exercised in the Gasol trade, frankly.
That's the primary part of the reason for the restriction, to keep payrolls under control, but that's not the only reason for such a restriction.
I still don't see why Laker fans cannot just admit they got the deal of the century when they got Gasol. It's not like we could negate it at this point with loud protestations to the league...
You're the golden children; the favored ones. The rest of the league accepted that a long time ago but it doesn't mean we have to like it. And, for that reason, I will occasionally protest but I'm well aware it's like protesting about Daylight Saving Time. It doesn't do me any good in either situation but somehow I feel a little better.
What's been lost in this whole exchange, RKid, is that I actually made some complimentary comments about your team. If your feathers weren't so ruffled, you might have seen them. You might want to go back and check, because you won't see them very often.
You're the golden children; the favored ones. The rest of the league accepted that a long time ago but it doesn't mean we have to like it. And, for that reason, I will occasionally protest but I'm well aware it's like protesting about Daylight Saving Time. It doesn't do me any good in either situation but somehow I feel a little better.
What's been lost in this whole exchange, RKid, is that I actually made some complimentary comments about your team. If your feathers weren't so ruffled, you might have seen them. You might want to go back and check, because you won't see them very often.
Could you elaborate?
kingsnation
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Way to go, Iggy!! My nephew went to HS with Iggy. I wanted him on the Kings. Oh well! Glad to see he is putting it to the Lakers.
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AriesMar27
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the lakers really havent looked that great last couple of games... dallas almost had them and now the sixers. though they did beat the rockets and spurs.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
I think there is a bit of inconsistency happening right now. They better pull it together. Now is not the time to sway back and forth. Of course, it's okay with me.
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AriesMar27
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yeah, they look really beatable right now... jeff van gundy mentioned it during the spurs game, that the laker bench is worse this year than they were last year. and i think he may have a point. farmar and sasha havent benn playing all that well, they havent been very good from 3pt range and are turnover prone. ariza has played well and is shooting rally well but he is easy to shut down. if you rush him he will 2nd guess himself and screw up. if he plays in rythm he cant miss. it happened twice during todays game where they gave him space and he drained the open 3 but when they rushed him he didnt know if he should pass the ball or pump fake and he threw the ball away.
Gargamel
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Nah, some of us aren't too happy w/ constant halfa**ed play against about 20 of the league's teams. The Philly loss was one of the rare ones that they actually don't pull out, which perpetuates the behavior.
PS: Losing at the buzzer is a bit foreign to our clan. There has been only 1 (count em) from Nov 95 to Nov 08. Well, at least counting only those that leave 0:00. Good to see a piksi sighting. Chuckle-worthy that it took a buzzer loss for him to show. Pffff...
RKid
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Yeah the Lakers have a losing record in Portland, I'd love that too.
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AriesMar27
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kobe dont want none of that in the 2nd round.... if the blazers make it past the 1st they would be a serious threat to the lakers. though i wouldnt mind a denver/portland wcf.... kobe would be eliminated and we can all watch lebron dismantle the nuggets in the nba fiinals. lebron vs carmelo just the way that the nba would want it. they want their magic vs bird well if the nuggets can beat the mavs or hornets in the 1st and the rockets or spurs in the 2nd.... man. that would be awesome. go portland.....
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