KT on the air with Lamb/Napear
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Bonzinator
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i dont know if you guys heard but on kings talk with koz and tank they played mark demskey asking brad questions about why they lost to portland and brad dropped a couple of F BOMBS! he was very upset at mark for asking him about why they lost. so it sounds like the kings players are starting to get very frustrated. but it worked for brad because he had 23 points and 10 rebounds. so lets see what kenny thomas does on friday versus the celtics. since it sounds like he is also pissed
slugking50
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This interview should be up on KHTK tomorrow according to Mark Demsky.
slugking50
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Bonzinator said:
Demsky deserved that after the Portland game. He did that on purpose. Demsky loves to poke and prod players then act like Mr. Innocent.
Folsom Al
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Warhawk said:
Alot does get lost in translation .... you really had to be witness to the conversation to BE TOTALLY ENTERTAINED ... entertainment yes, but. I truly don't believe Kenny was feeling entertained. Whether he was right-or-wrong in what he said and did, they were his feelings .... and my guess is he felt like his LIFE WAS BEING AIRED LIVE FOR EVERYONE TO LISTEN TO and he wasn't comfortable with that because it was all what Grant's and Mike's own opinions and thoughts. How could ANYONE know what is going on in Kenny's life and attitude when he hasn't told anyone ???
Bashing - I wouldn't call this thread a bashing .... what happened last night was a complete surprise and if one thinks that is not news - IT IS !!! This is Sacramento and we love our King's ....
There are alot of people that listen to KHTK ... I'm one of them
I doubt very much that I'm gonna stop listening because of what happened ... like you said - it's entertainment. We know that ...
The Sports Talk Hosts know how to get the phones to light-up ...
They also have their own opinions and getting "called on them" adds to the show.
Not everybody agrees ... and that's what makes the show. We all know it'd be a boring world if we ALL GOT ALONG AND AGREED WITH EACH OTHER.
CaminoChaos
Bench
I think the real reason that KT was upset was because before the interview Grant said "KT look like he wanted to be traded when he was on the court"
That's just the way KT is. He does not get emotional on the court.
That's just the way KT is. He does not get emotional on the court.
Ryle
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I'm not really sure why people are surprised about the way Kenny conducts himself. He has whined about minutes, rotations, etc.... every place that he has been. He has a very high opinion of his abilities and believes he is an all-star player and should be treated that way even though he is nothing more than a role player. The guy is not a starting power forward in the NBA.
kupman
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In my humble opinion, KT should be starting in front of SAR. SAR is a better player, but I think the team is better with KT on the floor. The offense justs runs more smoothly with him on the court and the offense tends to bog down with SAR much the same as it did with webber in his last year with us.
As far as KT calling in, it is just funny. He is not a whiner and certainly not a cancer. I just get a kick out of him making Grant and Mike nervous in their own studio. I hope KT is around for awhile - he is a very good player and I think he has alot to offer this team.
As far as KT calling in, it is just funny. He is not a whiner and certainly not a cancer. I just get a kick out of him making Grant and Mike nervous in their own studio. I hope KT is around for awhile - he is a very good player and I think he has alot to offer this team.
Purple Reign
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Variant said:
I completely agree with this statement. I listened to the entire interview (which should be up on 1140's website by the end of the week), and as much as I can not stand Grant and Mike, Kenny thomas did himself no favors here. YOU DO NOT, AND I REPEAT DO NOT GET INTO A PISSING CONTEST WITH THE MEDIA!!! It never works out on the side of the athlete.
As i said earlier, I feel the biggest problem with the 05-06 Kings is chemistry. In my opinion you have two cancers in Stojakovich and Thomas and two very young players in Martin and Garcia that are struggling to find their way. Four players that do not want to accept their roles. Kenny Thomas needs to be traded quick. Because if he plays well, and Shareef comes back and is immediately inserted into the starting line up, there will be hell to pay.
Thomas is another Tony Massenburg (what happened to that guy) with more talent. And i am not one to try to stiffle a person's personallity. But man!!! This guy has yet to get with the program and does not produce enough when given the chance.
Napier is a big hypocrite and Lamb is a sidekick with hypocritical tendacies. But Thomas should not have called in. Do your job and play your game.
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ReinadelosReys
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Warhawk said:
Once again, I have to agree with Folsom Al, a lot gets lost in translation. However, the long and awkward pauses and bursts of laughter, Mike trying to back-track when he says "well maybe distant isn't the right word," trying to pacify Kenny with other comments about him knowing what he's talking about and all that mumbo jumbo that he likes to bring up every 5 seconds about him being a former athlete and thus understands it all, yeah, to me that’s back tracking and trying to save face.
Now, why do I listen? Well, to truth is I don’t, at least not as much as I used to and the reason is two-fold. Unfortunately, when I am in Sacramento, this is the only sports station in the area and I like to know what’s going on in the sports world as well as what people think. On this particular occasion, I am at home sick and if I had enough energy would be bouncing off of walls in boredom, but instead I have to occupy my time another way, listening to the radio was just one of them. Also, well, the quality of talk-show hosts has plummeted greatly and its almost a pain to listen to. I often find myself listening, then 15 min later ask myself why I am doing so and then turn if off. But, I guess its one of those self-inflicting harms that people commit and then can't explain why they are doing them. Hmmm,maybe I should make an appointment with Dr. Phil
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bench_blob
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Thanks for the transcript.....that was entertaining to read!
Kenny needs a break-out game. He needs to go for like 25 points and 12 boards, and get his mo-jo back.
He is capable of it. He just has been stinking up the court all year. He needs to rely more on power rebounds and put backs, drive strong to the hole first to set up the mid-range jumper.
As far as Mike Lamb comment he "looks distant", it is true. That's his personality type #1, but he is also mildly disgusted with his role, his minutes, while trying to make the best of it at the same time.
The look on his face is like his puppy dog ran away from home, and he is looking to find him, but nowhere to be seen. He has a spacey look about him, like his focus is not all there, but that could be a misperception w/o knowing the guy personally.
At least now, with SAR out, he has no excuse. If he thinks he is a stud, nows his chance. Prove your worth, make a impact, and earn a portion of that absurdly overpriced contract for once, Mr. Distant...thats what Mike Lamb should have said!
Kenny needs a break-out game. He needs to go for like 25 points and 12 boards, and get his mo-jo back.
He is capable of it. He just has been stinking up the court all year. He needs to rely more on power rebounds and put backs, drive strong to the hole first to set up the mid-range jumper.
As far as Mike Lamb comment he "looks distant", it is true. That's his personality type #1, but he is also mildly disgusted with his role, his minutes, while trying to make the best of it at the same time.
The look on his face is like his puppy dog ran away from home, and he is looking to find him, but nowhere to be seen. He has a spacey look about him, like his focus is not all there, but that could be a misperception w/o knowing the guy personally.
At least now, with SAR out, he has no excuse. If he thinks he is a stud, nows his chance. Prove your worth, make a impact, and earn a portion of that absurdly overpriced contract for once, Mr. Distant...thats what Mike Lamb should have said!
Sorry, but I don't agree with Purple Reign and I think this situation was anything BUT a pissing contest.
Kenny had a dialog WITH the media (to use the term loosely in this instance) over something they had just said about him. Good radio, if you're going to be honest about it. Grant and Mike have to be thrilled, if for no other reason than what it did for their ratings. KT is probably happy because he was able to state his case to a wide audience without saying anything that could actually get him in trouble.
I refuse to accept the "cancer" description for either Peja or Kenny, although I do feel each might do better somewhere else. A cancer is someone who sets out to destroy chemistry. I certainly wouldn't say that's the case in either instance.
I also object quite strenuously to the continual lambasting of Martin and Garcia, this time in the "players who do not want to accept their roles" category. WTF is that all about? Kevin and Cisco are young, they're going to make mistakes, but thank God they have enthusiasm, and want to get better and prove themselves.
I wasn't going to respond to PR's post, but when someone acts like it's the best thing said, I'm sorry but I have to disagree.
Kenny had a dialog WITH the media (to use the term loosely in this instance) over something they had just said about him. Good radio, if you're going to be honest about it. Grant and Mike have to be thrilled, if for no other reason than what it did for their ratings. KT is probably happy because he was able to state his case to a wide audience without saying anything that could actually get him in trouble.
I refuse to accept the "cancer" description for either Peja or Kenny, although I do feel each might do better somewhere else. A cancer is someone who sets out to destroy chemistry. I certainly wouldn't say that's the case in either instance.
I also object quite strenuously to the continual lambasting of Martin and Garcia, this time in the "players who do not want to accept their roles" category. WTF is that all about? Kevin and Cisco are young, they're going to make mistakes, but thank God they have enthusiasm, and want to get better and prove themselves.
I wasn't going to respond to PR's post, but when someone acts like it's the best thing said, I'm sorry but I have to disagree.
ParniValjak
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You have got to be kidding me. So Kenny goes on radio and spits the dummy about what someone said about him and how he likes to be a starter and you think thats not messing with player chemistry. He did it in a manner than came accross as being a whinger. Thats sort of thing doesn't need to be said in public. Lets be honest here, I hardly think that Adelman or Petrie are thrilled with what Kenny did yesterday. In fact, I wouldn't mind betting that they called him into their office roday to have a bit of a chat about it.VF21 said:
When the team is struggling, the last thing you need is a disgruntled player getting into a slagging match with media. The group needs to pull together. What Kenny did was out of line. He is a proffessional athlete and he should no better. Grant and Mike on the other hand would be thrilled because it probably helped their ratings. It didn't help Kenny and it sure as hell didn't help the Sacramento Kings. In fact it probably put more doubt than originally needed.
There is a time and place for everything, and unfortunately, Kenny misjudged both the time and the place.
No, I'm not kidding you. KT didn't mess with player chemistry by berating Grant Napear and Mike Lamb. If anything, I'd tend to think he might actually have received a thumbs up from at least one or two of the guys.
Since neither you or I heard the broadcast, I think we have to go on what has been said. In reading Reina's transcript AND BEING WELL AWARE of how patronizing and condescending Grant and especially Mike Lamb can be, I think KT just felt he had to respond.
I fail to see how it hurt the Kings in any way, shape or form. I haven't heard one thing about it today...
Doubt about what exactly?
Since neither you or I heard the broadcast, I think we have to go on what has been said. In reading Reina's transcript AND BEING WELL AWARE of how patronizing and condescending Grant and especially Mike Lamb can be, I think KT just felt he had to respond.
I fail to see how it hurt the Kings in any way, shape or form. I haven't heard one thing about it today...
Doubt about what exactly?
Purple Reign
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VF21 said:
Well I listened to the whole thing and as much as I loved seeing Napier getting toasted (you and I agree with that) Thomas did nothing to help himself with the fans. And I know he probably could care less, but just his whole demeanor came across as someone who is not happy with the whole situation, including how he is being portrayed. This was nowhere near a dialouge. This was a very uncomfortable situation between the media and a player. Thomas was not scheduled to call in that day. He called in based on what somebody told him Napier had said, got mad and said "I AM OUT", hung up, called back and within the second conversation (mind you, what Reina transcribed was only the second half of the conversation, the first half was far less civilized than what was scripted) said that he was not going to do the show anymore. He also stated somthing to the fact that he feels "nobody likes him"
That is "baby-ish". That sounds like a guy whose feelings are hurt and I have no use for a professional athlete who is not thicked skin or at least can act like they are. Cancer I agree is a strong word. But I do feel that the "vibes" that Peja and Thomas throw out into the atmosphere does not help team chemestry. Garcia and Martin are young, but I do not understand how these guys can play so well starting, and just be horrible coming off of the bench. To me that is a couple of guys finding their way through.
In the seven years under Adelman, I have never seen so much uncertainty when it comes to roles. This is why I feel that this teams chemistry is at an all time low under the present regime.
After reading your further comments, I'll agree it certainly sounds like Kenny didn't do himself any favors. As far as him being a cancer, however, I think he's just too incidental to truly affect the ongoing team chemistry.
I'm just keeping the faith that Petrie knows something has to be done, but wants to make sure he does the RIGHT thing. Hence, the intolerable - at least to us - wait.
As far as Cisco and Kevin go, neither of them were used to coming off the bench and it's tough to adapt to that as well as having the eyes of 17,317 hungry fans on you night after night, watching you like hawks. If they can continue to do well in their temporary roles as starters, I actually think it will help them when they resume their regular spots in the rotation.
I'm just keeping the faith that Petrie knows something has to be done, but wants to make sure he does the RIGHT thing. Hence, the intolerable - at least to us - wait.
As far as Cisco and Kevin go, neither of them were used to coming off the bench and it's tough to adapt to that as well as having the eyes of 17,317 hungry fans on you night after night, watching you like hawks. If they can continue to do well in their temporary roles as starters, I actually think it will help them when they resume their regular spots in the rotation.
Prophetess
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reina- once again-- you rock. thank you.
KP
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I'm a fan, he did a lot to help himself with me.Purple Reign said:
There is a history here that is long and storied, and I know you know all about it PReign. But Grant has deserved a beratement by one of the players for a long time. I really don't think K-9 hurt the teams chemistry at all by what he said, if anything like VF said I think more than a few of them have wanted to do the same.
As far as being upset that people are bashing Grant and Mike, too bad. I was a faithful listener and supporter of Grant for years, right up until he started knifing players in the back and then trying to be friends with them when they were on. The only reason I turned on the show is because someone started this thread and it was pure joy to get to hear him finally get what he deserves.
Purple Reign
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No doubt.
It started with Chris Webber and the Michigan situation
Then Napier starts the whole "Bobby Jackson should have tried to play in the playoffs while injured crap".
But he cuts slack with the guys he loves. Scot Pollard, Peja Stojakovich, Jon Barry, Brad Miller, Greg Ostertagg. Do you see the pattern. I am trying not to assume anything, but I call it as I see it. Grant Napier has bias towards certain players, and contempt with others.
It started with Chris Webber and the Michigan situation
Then Napier starts the whole "Bobby Jackson should have tried to play in the playoffs while injured crap".
But he cuts slack with the guys he loves. Scot Pollard, Peja Stojakovich, Jon Barry, Brad Miller, Greg Ostertagg. Do you see the pattern. I am trying not to assume anything, but I call it as I see it. Grant Napier has bias towards certain players, and contempt with others.
Packt
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I don't think any less of Kenny after this interview. It was no secret he wanted to start, and wasn't happy about the situation. Everybody here knew, the media knew, his teammates and the coaching staff had to have known. I don't think Kenny hurt team chemistry. The confrontation if you can even call it that, was fairly tame.
If anybody lost points, it was Grant and Lamb when they backed off their criticism. Kenny made them look silly, and the situation was hilarious, yet uncomfortable. I guess in that sense, Kenny made himself look bad. It was like kids being chastised by their parents. Even though you know the kids were wrong, you still can't help but feel pity for them.
If anybody lost points, it was Grant and Lamb when they backed off their criticism. Kenny made them look silly, and the situation was hilarious, yet uncomfortable. I guess in that sense, Kenny made himself look bad. It was like kids being chastised by their parents. Even though you know the kids were wrong, you still can't help but feel pity for them.
C
Coach
Guest
If Thomas feels that he deserves to be the starter, then he needs to shut his mouth and play like one. Instead, his play has been uninspired and inconsistent. When Grant and Mike point that out, Thomas's feathers get ruffled and he wants to blame his underwhelming performance on his lack of playing time. What a bunch of crap. Hey Kenny, cry me a river, you big baby. You have no one to blame but yourself.
Stojakovic
Bench
I could care less for Grant and Mike, but Thomas' attitude isn't going to help anyone. Just sounds very bitter, and like he's already packing his bags (which is alright with me). Just because he "stuck it" to Grant, doesn't mean he's helping out the team in any way. I'm not sure this team has any chemistry, and I think that there is fighting going on within the group. Who knows, maybe Kenny broke Reef's jaw ? 
Purple Reign
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G_M said:The RACE card?? C'Mon
I never said that.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Sticking it to Grant = good.
Using the radio to underscore his unhappiness on the bench = bad.
Using the radio to underscore his unhappiness on the bench = bad.
love_them_kings
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Bricklayer said:
good summary. Grant drives me crazy, and I like the idea of someone putting him in his place. But, Kenny's attitude is a problem, and his tendency to put his feelings out for anyone and everyone to hear isn't good.
