Kreidler: NBA West will be a real circus

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A bit in here on the Kings as well as other teams in the west....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=kreidler_mark&id=2137523&num=2

(Edited to add whole story-VF21)

NBA West will be a real circus

By Mark Kreidler, Special to ESPN.COM


The Western Conference has been the NBA's traveling carny troupe for years, and that's just how it is. You couldn't have invented a better and more volatile mix than the Zen Master, Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal, both in terms of real talent and exaggerated ego. There wasn't a more apt foil than the star-crossed Sacramento Kings of Chris Webber and Vlade Divac. San Antonio was the cool, almost professionally detached operator, Dallas a sort of continuously unstable chemical element, capable of exploding at any moment. And Portland -- forget about it. Just erect a big top over the franchise and be done with it.

Of course, that was then. In the here and now … well, happily, not all that much has changed. The West is still loaded with character, or at least with characters. The casts have changed, some for the better and some for the worse, but I can think of at least 10 reasons why the 2005-06 season out here on the other side of the Mississippi once again will produce its grand share of amusing theater.

Well, there's Phil: And just in time to prevent the Lakers from committing the worst sin listed in the Jerry Buss Guidebook to Successful Franchising: Losing and being boring. What Phil Jackson was thinking taking a year off from coaching, while arguably at his peak and at a point where he might see ahead the last NBA job he'd ever take, is still anybody's guess. (Right: He wrote a book.) But Jackson's return to coach Bryant is absolutely one of the feel-weird stories of the coming season: Two egos that have at times proved almost utterly incompatible, now relying upon each other as they try to a) reinstate Bryant as an NBA force, b) remind people of Jackson's essential talent in his chosen profession and c) jack L.A. somewhere north of .500, just for grins and giggles.

Bryant and Jackson either make hit music together or declare a media war upon one another by Christmas. This just in for the average NBA follower: You can't really lose.

The Spurs, in general: It's such a great idea to have the NBA champion come from your conference -- it gives everybody else in the West something either to shoot for or to attempt to shoot down. And San Antonio plays the role so perfectly, with an almost bloodless approach to winning. The real benefit to having the Spurs in the conversation so often over the past couple of years has been getting to see the volcanic side of coach Gregg Popovich and the documented mortality of Tim Duncan (unbelievably horrible free-throw shooting that seems to bear no relation whatsoever to the rest of his game, which is brilliant). When you threw in Eva Longoria making postseason appearances in the stands in support of beau Tony Parker, and the offseason addition of Fabricio Oberto, well, you're just about all the way there.


Houston getting Swift-er: It's hard to know exactly what Stromile Swift is going to bring to the table for the Rockets, in part because it's hard to know exactly anything connected to anyone who played a significant role in the bizarro-world season the Memphis Grizzlies experienced last go-round. But Swift sure made an interesting directional decision: The Rockets, with Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming already aboard and Jeff Van Gundy doing the coaching, and now Swift coming along to do his stuff, are suddenly one of the great curiosities in the conference. Houston's success still might depend upon how Yao continues (or fails) to grow into the leadership role the whole world seems to want to foist on him at center -- but there's absolutely nothing about the whole Rockets experiment that looks dull. Good stuff.

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The Kings go nuts: Or, in the alternative, pull another couple of fast ones. The last time Sacramento czar Geoff Petrie helped vault the franchise into competitive relevance, it was through a series of moves that were genuinely controversial at the time: Webber didn't want to come to the Kings, and draft pick Jason Williams had been booted off his University of Florida team for repeatedly smoking pot.

But Webber and Williams teamed with Divac to form the holy triumvirate that heralded the team's arrival as an actual conversation piece, and the winning soon followed. Now Petrie is banking a new success on a crabby patty like Bonzi Wells, who essentially has worn out his welcome in both Portland and Memphis, and veteran Shareef Abdur-Rahim, whose move to New Jersey washed out because of knee questions -- and who has never played on a good NBA team, much less a playoff entry. Wells is in a salary-drive year and Abdur-Rahim is simply sick of losing. Put 'em together with Mike Bibby, Peja Stojakovic and Brad Miller, and Petrie has his latest combustible mix to hand to even-keeled coach Rick Adelman.

Mark Cuban still owns the Mavs: 'Nuff said.

The Warriors don't stink: At least, that's the popular thinking. With Chris Mullin calling the shots and former Stanford coach Mike Montgomery doing the X-and-O thing, Golden State came dangerously close last season to getting back into the thick of things in the West -- no mean feat when you consider that Phoenix and Seattle also seemed to come out of nowhere to grab newsprint in the same campaign. Now Mullin's gambling that the Baron Davis experiment can work long term, the W's have decided that scoring is a lot more fun than not scoring, and Oakland once again is becoming a place where other NBA teams aren't sure they want to stop. For the right reasons.

Nate McMillan goes to Hell: It's really Portland. People just tell McMillan it's Hell. This is the kind of thing that keeps the Western Conference so interesting: McMillan leads a stunning revival of the pro game up in Seattle, takes his team into the second round of the playoffs, works enough magic with the roster given him that even a veteran such as Ray Allen eventually decides to re-sign with the Sonics, thinking he can have money and success -- then bolts the whole thing, feeling unappreciated and unloved. Instead, McMillan will take his coaching act to the place where NBA hopes lately have gone to die. Macabre fun.

Donald Sterling still owns the Clips: 'Nuff said.

The Suns can't possibly do that again: But if they do, it'll mark the continuation of one of the most impressive franchise turns in recent memory. Phoenix essentially got meatier and maybe not as quick this summer (say goodbye, Joe Johnson), and it's a great open question as to how that will affect the style the Suns really love to play. The bet here: As long as Steve Nash is running the show and Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion feel like going along, putting points on the board won't really stack up as a huge problem -- and the Suns will have fans all across the NBA, the people like me who'd take a 122-114 final score over pretty much anything else being offered up by the slowpokes in both conferences.

Greg Ostertag went back to Utah: Which means he is reunited with coach Jerry Sloan. Which means that Sloan once again has a favorite practice-session whipping boy and, maybe, favorite human being all in one. Ostertag is big, he's slow and he's country. He is also one of the league's funniest and warmest people, whose skills (shot-blocking and rebounding, along with six fouls per 48 minutes) were almost completely wasted last year in Sacramento. He might even help Sloan, assuming he doesn't drive the man over a cliff first. But once again: compulsively watchable either way. In the Western Conference of the season to come, that fits just about perfectly.

Mark Kreidler is a columnist for The Sacramento (Calif.) Bee and a regular contributor to ESPN.com. Reach him at mkreidler@sacbee.com
 
Warhawk - Thanks for the find! It's really nice to see one of our local writers get national exposure, especially Kreidler. I posted the whole article because, as usual, I think Kreidler's pretty much hit the nail on the head.
 
VF21 said:
Warhawk - Thanks for the find! It's really nice to see one of our local writers get national exposure, especially Kreidler. I posted the whole article because, as usual, I think Kreidler's pretty much hit the nail on the head.

No problem! I like Kreidler's stuff - he's usually right on target and has a good sense of humor.
 
It was good except
Ostertag is big, he's slow and he's country. He is also one of the league's funniest and warmest people, whose skills (shot-blocking and rebounding, along with six fouls per 48 minutes) were almost completely wasted last year in Sacramento.

He didn't even show up until the end of the year, when nobody felt they could depend on him. He didn't waste any skills because the weight and laziness meant he didn't have any.
 
I just thought of something. I wonder if this means Kreidler might be in the running to take Chad Ford's spot...
 
Washu1000 said:
It was good except


He didn't even show up until the end of the year, when nobody felt they could depend on him. He didn't waste any skills because the weight and laziness meant he didn't have any.

I think Kreidler was correct.

Ostertag is big, he's slow and he's country. He is also one of the league's funniest and warmest people, whose skills (shot-blocking and rebounding, along with six fouls per 48 minutes) were almost completely wasted last year in Sacramento.

For whatever reasons, including his early injury and then puzzling banishment to Siberia for extended periods, Tag wasn't utilized to his full extent. It was a very common topic of conversation around here during the year, and if you go back and look at Bricklayer's grade threads you'll actually see that Adelman's grade suffered a few times because he didn't bring the big lovable lug into the game.

Yes, Tag was out of shape at times. Yes, he didn't really look as though he was putting forth any real effort to change. On the other hand, if Adelman had shown more faith in him, perhaps it would have benefitted both... We'll just never know which came first - the stubborn coach or the out-of-shape player.
 
when miller went down i thought that maybe tag would get minutes and get into shape for the playoffs, that didnt happen.... adelman wasted tag like he wasted wallace.... and may waste martin and/or garcia....
 
Great article! The entertainment value of the Western Conference, the upbeat style of play and the big scores all keep the "wild, wild west" the place to be. And we have BOTH Mark Cuban and Donald Sterling. And the repackaged Kings.

Ugh on the plodding, black & blue style of the east. Sure they do have Shaq & Co and the boring, no big ego star Pistons but nothing else to compare in pure basketball entertainment value.
 
CruzDude said:
Ugh on the plodding, black & blue style of the east. Sure they do have Shaq & Co and the boring, no big ego star Pistons but nothing else to compare in pure basketball entertainment value.

Ah, but they DO have Gerald Wallace and CWebb. Gotta boost the conference's value by a few cents. ;)
 
CruzDude said:
Ugh on the plodding, black & blue style of the east. Sure they do have Shaq & Co and the boring, no big ego star Pistons but nothing else to compare in pure basketball entertainment value.
add to that the Pacers, they could be the most entertaining team in the East this season.
 
Kriedler would be good at it, best writer the Bee has seen since I have been reading the sports page.


He also does pretty good all around work on ESPN.

I also would not mind seeing Bill Simmons "The Sports Guy" getting a shot, he is hilarious and by far my favorite sports writer. I think he could add some flair (office space reference) to the articles and TV interviews.
 
VF21 said:
I just thought of something. I wonder if this means Kreidler might be in the running to take Chad Ford's spot...

I'd rather he take over Marc Stein's job, and get Scott Howard Cooper to take over Chad's job.
 
Spurs are the best in the west w/o a doubt , they will be in the wcf this year barring any injuries . The next tier teams are suns,mavs,rox,nuggs, kings . The next tier are sonics/wolves/warriors and grizz. The wild card teams are the lakers and jazz for the playoffs.

Being a realistic kings fan , i am hoping to see the kings in 4-6th seed . Because the three division winners get the 1-3 seeds. If we can beat the suns for the pacific crown , then we would be the 2nd seed , if not we are looking at 4-6 seed . This would be a first round matchup with the mavs/suns or nuggs .
 
Čarolija said:
Am I the only one that found this line a bit funny :D :D :D

This is like the fifth time I've tried to understand the Petrie-Artest quote, and I simply can't do it.

Can someone explain it to me? I must be only looking at the finger, or something...
 
SoupIsGood said:
This is like the fifth time I've tried to understand the Petrie-Artest quote, and I simply can't do it.

Can someone explain it to me? I must be only looking at the finger, or something...
Where is the quote? I tried re-reading the thread and I can't find it.
 
SoupIsGood said:
This is like the fifth time I've tried to understand the Petrie-Artest quote, and I simply can't do it.

Can someone explain it to me? I must be only looking at the finger, or something...

No, I agree -- I had no idea how to attach that in context.

BTW, the quote was as I recall, something along the lines of "when you point at the moon, some people will look at your finger". Ok, fine. Now what the hell did that mean in the context of the Artest rumors??? What's the moon? Who's pointing? What's the finger? The only way I could made sense of it was translated thusly "I have said we have to get better defensively and pointed to Artest as an example of what we need more of, and people have taken that and ran and lost the message that we needed to get better defensively and instead became focused on getting Artest as a gol in and of itself". Except that I don't recall Petrie ever actually mentioning Artest.
 
Bricklayer said:
No, I agree -- I had no idea how to attach that in context.

BTW, the quote was as I recall, something along the lines of "when you point at the moon, some people will look at your finger". Ok, fine. Now what the hell did that mean in the context of the Artest rumors??? What's the moon? Who's pointing? What's the finger? The only way I could made sense of it was translated thusly "I have said we have to get better defensively and pointed to Artest as an example of what we need more of, and people have taken that and ran and lost the message that we needed to get better defensively and instead became focused on getting Artest as a gol in and of itself". Except that I don't recall Petrie ever actually mentioning Artest.

Thanks for the explanation, that makes a lot more sense.

That's a difficult metaphor to follow. Is your GM always this cryptic? ;)
 
Quite frankly, I have no idea where he found that quote. I have never seen anything like that attributed to Geoff Petrie. Phil Jackson? Maybe. Hunter Thompson? Perhaps. Geoff Petrie? I just don't know...

In all honesty, it looks more like an old proverb or perhaps something Confuscius might have said eons ago.

;)
 
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SoupIsGood said:
It's in Čarolija's sig. I meant to say that, but forgot.
Oh, you mean that wording in big, bold red .:o I swore I was using my glasses, but i guess they didn't help with the duh syndrome.
 
I just did a Google search on "imbecile looks at finger"...

I WAS RIGHT!

Whoooooo!

http://www.mycoted.com/creativity/quotes.php

It's listed as a Chinese proverb there, while other sites attribute it directly to Confuscius.

Interestingly enough ;) the FIRST listing on Google is right back to Kingsfans.com.
 
VF21 said:
I just did a Google search on "imbecile looks at finger"...

Interestingly enough ;) the FIRST listing on Google is right back to Kingsfans.com.

I thought you were kidding around with that one... but sure enough, it's true!
 
GP said it about 2 months ago in an interview with Grant Napear and Mike Lamb on the radio. I remember him saying that, but I don't recall exactly the context.
 
Yes, the comment was made by Geoff. Remember that out of the blue press conference that had Kingsfans panicking back in June (VF21, I think you started the thread)? Well that day, after the press conference, Geoff was on KHTK talking to Napear and Lamb. Lamb asked GP about defense and the rumors of an Artest for Peja trade. Geoff didn't want to get into trade talks (not his thing, his motto is "they're our players until they aren't"), so he replied with the finger, moon proverb.

My first reaction was that it was a swipe at Artest and that he was not down for such a trade. I mentioned in the Griffin thread that it was disappointing to hear such a thing from GP when he's had luck with deals like this before. Kind of a snide comment, I thought. Now that I really think about it, it could be a comment on the people who suggested this trade. But even then it gives you an idea on how GP feels about Artest or at least in relation to Peja.

The way I see it is, the moon relates to defense/winning, and the finger is Artest. You could say it’s an abstract way of saying “missing the point” or not seeing the “big picture”. Artest brings defense, something we need, but he can also hurt us in our quest for a championship with his boneheaded mistakes.
 
Oh, okay... Since I don't get KHTK, that explains it. ;)

The proverb is pretty clear actually and I don't think it specifically refers to Artest.

"when you point to the moon" - means when you're indicating a goal

"the imbecile looks at the finger" - the fool looks at the person stating the goal, instead of the goal being stated.

In other words, I think Petrie could well have been very cleverly chastizing Napear and Lamb.
 
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