Kobe thread (split from Andre and merged)

[Gargamel]

Does this mean all the new Clipper fans may be going back to their team of old??? Or is a day to day choice?

Lakers fans are more likely to go dormant during a .500 year than to start rooting for the Clippers. Either that, or they'll latch onto the Suns or something. Clippers fans are more obnoxious than you guys, trust me. I've been on numerous work trips to Sacto during the playoff battles and talked ball with Kings fans during lunch and I didn't get any grief. Otoh, the few Clippers fans I do know are born and bred for talking sh-t. Clippers fans do exist -- they lurk in the shadows feeding off the blood of the living.

 

[thesanityannex]

Lakers fans are more likely to go dormant during a .500 year than to start rooting for the Clippers. Either that, or they'll latch onto the Suns or something. Clippers fans are more obnoxious than you guys, trust me. They do exist in the shadows feeding off the blood of the living.

Not so sure about that. I've been to many Clipper games (all I can afford) this year and lately the place has been packed with Laker fans in disguise. I'm not talking about the hardcore Laker fans, I'm talking about the wagon fans. They will hop on to whatever team is winning in L.A., and this includes all the Hollywood cats who are usually at the Laker games. Poor Frankie Munoz (Malcom in the Middle) has to now claim the Clippers as his team (season tickets for 10 years), and said all these other stars can't claim them. Last nights game was really strange though. If you paid attention, you could actually see Clipper fans cheering for Kobe.

 

[6th]

"Quote:
Originally Posted by 6th
This is not the Kings forum, dagnabbit. It is the NBA forum.

Kobe is a phenominal player. I have to give him his due. I don't like his taking over games and chucking up shot after shot. In this game, however, he had a horrible half, kept shooting anyway (like some encourage Peja to do) to break thru the slump, and then he single-handedly whipped the Clippers.

I hate Kobe, but I have big enough to admit his phenominal talent.


See now that is a lady I respect. She does not let her dislike of a player taunt and distort her perception when it comes to that players talent. Now I wish more people were like 6th on this board.

Good point..I agree.

Thank you for the very kind words, Alex. You too, hoopsie!

 

[thesanityannex]

I hate Kobe, but I have big enough to admit his phenominal talent.

You have big enough ________, or you are big enough? If you meant the first one, I'm a little scared.

 

[KP]

I hate Kobe as much as anyone, but he is one of the best players in the NBA.

 

[6th]

You have big enough ________, or you are big enough? If you meant the first one, I'm a little scared.

smart-aleck

I changed the wording somewhere along the line and forgot to change "have" to "am." I could have gone back and corrected it, but it has been quoted, so.......what's the point?

 

[Kings113]

Livingston totally blew their chances to win in the final minute. He passes the ball to Smush for a breakaway to go down by 3, then milks the clock before passing it to Mobley. I doubt Dunleavy drew a crosscourt pass up on the final shot w/ only 4.4 left.

Ahh, yeah I saw that on the highlights, forgot about it though.

 

[BMiller52]

Livingston totally blew their chances to win in the final minute. He passes the ball to Smush for a breakaway to go down by 3, then milks the clock before passing it to Mobley. I doubt Dunleavy drew a crosscourt pass up on the final shot w/ only 4.4 left.

I saw livingston blowing their chances on sportscenter. He was stupid those last 2 plays. Honestly I don't see why kobe is so great, 15/29 is good FOR A WHOLE GAME. Yes, he's a good player. Do I have to like him? Not really. He's not the best player in the game, that's duncan. He's not the 2nd best player, that's garnett. He's probably top 5. Good for him. He's mcgrady's equal, but people really need to stop acting like he's worlds above him.

 

[doone]

What are you talking about Pedja homers. The hate really has to stop. It not just the "Pedja homers" that think he is the "best shooter in the NBA" it is the media and NBA people that have being saying it all long. To answer your post though the reason that he has not hit more three pointers in a game is because the shear volume of shots he takes are not near the amount that Kobe or other player of that ilk take. The reason he is considered by some as the best shooter in the world is because of his accuracy not the volume of shots he takes.

First off, I'd just like to clarify that I'm not hating on Peja, he's a King and as such I will continue to support him as long as he remains a King. I'm merely poking fun at some of the members of this board who seem to think that Peja can do no wrong. I personally think that he's a great shooter and all, quite possible the best in the NBA, I just find it funny that people can claim that he is the best shooter in the world when they haven't seen everyone in the world shoot. Such hyperbole is just hilarious IMO.

Secondly, thanks for answering my question, I hadn't considered his FGA before. I'd like to see what he could do given 50 shots though.

See? We can all have a nice discussion without getting upset.

 

[hoopsfan]

i hate kobe and i do not have to be one of those "i hate him but will give his due respect" (sorry 6th). i don't like his style of play; to me it is the reflection of his most repugnant characteristic: megalomania. bleh! until he has a season where he not "single-handedly" delivers wins but makes his team play basketball, he is a lost cause to me.

Do you feel that way about every star on every team?? Kobe has more assists than some point guards...what's he to do when nobody can make a shot?? Wouldn't you like a player on your team that could "single-handedly" deliver wins when needed??

 

[hoopsfan]

The thing about Peja is (IMHO) is that he doesn't create his own shots that well. He's a great shooter..especially in a 3 point shooting contest, where there's no hands in his face. This year, it seems, the offense is not being run to his advantage. (Does that makes sense??)

 

[Kings113]

Indeed HF.

 

[BigSong]

Do you feel that way about every star on every team?? Kobe has more assists than some point guards...what's he to do when nobody can make a shot?? Wouldn't you like a player on your team that could "single-handedly" deliver wins when needed??

If by you, you mean another player on the Lakers, than no becaue that would imply I sucked. And if by you, you mean a fan, still probably no because as a kid I remember watching Mitch Richmond and how impressive he was, but it didn't make the Kings a great team.

 

[VF21]

First, this may be the NBA forum but it's the NBA forum on KINGSFANS.COM

If people want to start a thread to talk about Kobe Bryant, they're going to be facing a lot of opposition. Kobe Bryant is a polarizing figure on the LOS ANGELES LAKERS.

I'm going to be watching this thread VERY carefully. If Laker fans - or anyone else - starts throwing in personal insults against another member, those comments will be deleted. If Kings fans come to this thread simply to start arguments, those comments will be deleted.

If you agree with someone, fine. If you disagree with someone, fine. Just keep your comments civil. I will be watching...

 

[twocents]

Do you feel that way about every star on every team?? Kobe has more assists than some point guards...what's he to do when nobody can make a shot?? Wouldn't you like a player on your team that could "single-handedly" deliver wins when needed??

let me put it this way: i don't think there should be as many stars in the nba as there are in the sky. to create so called stars on every team, then making all-star's out of them (and i don't think it will stop there, soon you will uber-stars, ultra-stars, meta-stars, supernova's; well, if you stop to think about it, i think i will accept kobe as a star: the black hole) is a purely financial move which destroys the game of basketball.

to answer your question, i prefer a player who knows his teammates' strengths and weaknesses, who knows how to make use of them (assuming that he is the leader). note that i did not continue with the habitual "and if all else fails" which i think people are using for kobe's case. he is very inclined to accept any single game as in the "oh, all else failed" category.

 

[zeke04]

Kobe is a great 1 on 1, 1 on 2, 1 on 3, 1 on 4 and sometimes a 1 on 5 player. Unfortunately for him it is a team game. That style will win some games but it will never win a ring. Kobe needs to realize that his teammates aren't just there to pass him the ball. I know the response is look at his assists. When you dominate the ball as much as he does you get at least 5 assist by accident.

 

[thesanityannex]

to answer your question, i prefer a player who knows his teammates' strengths and weaknesses, who knows how to make use of them (assuming that he is the leader). .

Kobe knows his teammates' strengths...................that don't have any.

 

[SK23]

Its just amazing how Kobe brings his team back in the game after being down as many as 20 points. Thats the thing with allstars like Kobe, even if your losing the game you always have a chance to come back and win it.

 

[thesanityannex]

Its just amazing how Kobe brings his team back in the game after being down as many as 20 points. Thats the thing with allstars like Kobe, even if your losing the game you always have a chance to come back and win it.

I don't think they were ever down twenty.

 

[VF21]

Okay, there may be a little loss of continuity in the early parts of this thread, because I took the time to extract the Kobe stuff from the Andre Iguodala thread and merged it into this thread.

Ironically, this thread now seems to be turning to a discussion of Peja.

 

[Vlad]

Speaking of threes, Vlad Radmanovic was 8-10 from downtown in the Sonics' loss against the Knicks. He scored a career-high 30 pts in 32 minutes.

 

[piksi]

Okay, there may be a little loss of continuity in the early parts of this thread, because I took the time to extract the Kobe stuff from the Andre Iguodala thread and merged it into this thread.

Ironically, this thread now seems to be turning to a discussion of Peja.

well, Webber is gone

 

[loopymitch]

Clippers fans are more obnoxious than you guys, trust me.

You're calling us obnoxious???
Gargy, I'm so hurt!

 

[Gargamel]

You're calling us obnoxious???
Gargy, I'm so hurt!

Some of them are obnoxious to other Kings fanz here...

 

[KA_2]

Kobe is a great 1 on 1, 1 on 2, 1 on 3, 1 on 4 and sometimes a 1 on 5 player. Unfortunately for him it is a team game. That style will win some games but it will never win a ring. Kobe needs to realize that his teammates aren't just there to pass him the ball. I know the response is look at his assists. When you dominate the ball as much as he does you get at least 5 assist by accident.

Except this can be said about any great perimeter player in the game, including Michael Jordan. And he won 6 titles. And fact of the matter is that Kobe's style has won him a ring; 3 consecutive rings in fact. If he had better players around him, he'd win more rings. That's how the NBA works; put enough good complimentary players around a superstar and, barring injury, you're probably going to win titles.

 

[Gargamel]

Except this can be said about any great perimeter player in the game, including Michael Jordan. And he won 6 titles. And fact of the matter is that Kobe's style has won him a ring; 3 consecutive rings in fact. If he had better players around him, he'd win more rings. That's how the NBA works; put enough good complimentary players around a superstar and, barring injury, you're probably going to win titles.

And he's proven that we WILL pass to teammates who aren't inept to the triangle.

 

[captain bill]

Kobe is a great 1 on 1, 1 on 2, 1 on 3, 1 on 4 and sometimes a 1 on 5 player. Unfortunately for him it is a team game. That style will win some games but it will never win a ring. Kobe needs to realize that his teammates aren't just there to pass him the ball. I know the response is look at his assists. When you dominate the ball as much as he does you get at least 5 assist by accident.

Yeah, Kobe's gonna end up being one of those really good players who just never goes over the top. His legacy will be tainted by the fact that he won't win a championship. If this guy wants to be really good, he need to prove something, like Mike Bibby.

 

[Padrino]

Yeah, Kobe's gonna end up being one of those really good players who just never goes over the top. His legacy will be tainted by the fact that he won't win a championship. If this guy wants to be really good, he need to prove something, like Mike Bibby.

captain bill wins for sarcastic post of the day!

 

[TheEnemy]

Yeah, Kobe's gonna end up being one of those really good players who just never goes over the top. His legacy will be tainted by the fact that he won't win a championship. If this guy wants to be really good, he need to prove something, like Mike Bibby.

Bibby is better than Steve Nash and Jason Kidd. He also plays spectacumagnificent defense. I would take him over Kobe, Wade, and even Lebron himself.

 

[6th]

Bibby is better than Steve Nash and Jason Kidd. He also plays spectacumagnificent defense. I would take him over Kobe, Wade, and even Lebron himself.

Sorry, but the award for sarcasm has already been awarded today. You are a day late and a dollar short.