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Homer Fan Since 1985
Worst home loss in Laker history...
Too bad it had to be against the Mavs. I hate them too....well, Cuban.
Kobe did it again ?
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Too bad it had to be against the Mavs. I hate them too....well, Cuban.
hoopsfan
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Worst home lose in franchise history doesn't really cut it
Hey, at least we scored more than 4 points in a quarter.
Ryan
I like turtles
Oh come now, you have to admit we started it; we really had that coming. And it's not like hoopsfan is a troll, anyway.
vladetomiller
Bench
Hey you win some and you lose some, this is not going to stop me from betting my house on the games
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
already happened...well, maybe not a multiple game suspension, but suspension nonetheless...i.e.: last year vs. Spurs in the PLAYOFFS. Dought very seriously that Stern would suspend his poster boy during the playoffs.
NBA reportedly investigating Bryant elbow
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2795315
PHILADELPHIA -- Is the NBA looking into another wayward elbow from Kobe Bryant?
According to a story in the Philadelphia Daily News, citing an NBA source, the league is looking at an elbow Bryant threw in the direction of Philadelphia's Kyle Korver late in the first half of Friday's game.
Bryant caught Korver near the neck with his left elbow on a drive to the hoop, The Associated Press reported Saturday.
Bryant was suspended for one game last week for an elbow that hit the face of Minnesota guard Marko Jaric. He also received a suspension earlier this season for an elbow to the face of San Antonio's Manu Ginobli.
Korver said Saturday in Indianapolis: "I didn't think it was that big a deal. I thought it was an offensive foul. After I saw it on replay, it looked a lot worse than I thought it was during the game. It all happens fast. It's no big deal. It's just part of the game."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2795315
PHILADELPHIA -- Is the NBA looking into another wayward elbow from Kobe Bryant?
According to a story in the Philadelphia Daily News, citing an NBA source, the league is looking at an elbow Bryant threw in the direction of Philadelphia's Kyle Korver late in the first half of Friday's game.
Bryant caught Korver near the neck with his left elbow on a drive to the hoop, The Associated Press reported Saturday.
Bryant was suspended for one game last week for an elbow that hit the face of Minnesota guard Marko Jaric. He also received a suspension earlier this season for an elbow to the face of San Antonio's Manu Ginobli.
Korver said Saturday in Indianapolis: "I didn't think it was that big a deal. I thought it was an offensive foul. After I saw it on replay, it looked a lot worse than I thought it was during the game. It all happens fast. It's no big deal. It's just part of the game."
uolj
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Bryant assessed flagrant foul for elbow in Philly
That story now states that he was assessed a flagrant foul 1.
Edit - From the link:
Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant is not and was not at risk for another suspension after elbowing Philadelphia's Kyle Korver.
League sources told ESPN.com that the incident was reviewed strictly to determine whether Bryant would be retroactively assessed a flagrant foul after his left elbow connected with Korver in L.A.'s 108-92 road defeat Friday night.
That review, sources said, was completed Monday and reclassified the hit as a Flagrant 1 foul, Bryant's first flagrant foul of the season.
In his first game back from a one-game suspension after landing an elbow to the face of Minnesota's Marko Jaric, Bryant extended his elbow as he tried to dribble away from Korver on the perimeter. No foul was called on the play.
The league does reserve the right to reclassify fouls or non-calls as flagrant fouls following a video review. But if this incident had been subject to a possible suspension,
NBA vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson would have rendered a ruling before the Lakers' next game. Bryant was cleared to play in their 108-72 home loss to Dallas on Sunday night.
Yet he remains under close scrutiny, in the media and from the league office, after receiving a pair of one-game suspensions in 2007 for stray elbows.
In both of those cases -- first with San Antonio's Manu Ginobili, then with Jaric -- Bryant made contact by flailing his arms after a shot attempt. No foul was called by game officials on the Ginobili play; Bryant was whistled for an offensive foul after catching Jaric.
"As players, we know during a game when someone is trying to hurt you or be mean, and I never thought that was what was happening," Jaric told ESPN.com last week. "So I'm really surprised by [the suspension]. I haven't seen the replay, but if you ask me what I thought about the play when it happened, I don't think he did it intentionally, and I don't think players should be suspended for things that happen unintentionally. I think he was trying to draw a foul, and he swung his hand out to make it look dramatic, and he hit me by accident. He apologized right after."
Korver offered similar sentiments to the Philadelphia Daily News in response to Friday's incident, saying: "I didn't think it was that big a deal. I thought it was an offensive foul. After I saw it on replay, it looked a lot worse than I thought it was during the game. It all happens fast. It's no big deal. It's just part of the game."
Even though the Korver play has been deemed a flagrant foul, Bryant is not in immediate danger of being suspended based on accumulation of flagrant-foul points.
Players receive one point for a Flagrant 1 foul and two points for a Flagrant 2 two, with suspensions starting when a player's total exceeds five points. Yet in spite of his two suspensions, Bryant's total now sits at one point.
Following the Jaric incident, which occurred just over a month after Bryant's tangle with Ginobili, Jackson told ESPN.com: "We considered suspending [Bryant] for multiple games. ... If this happens again, most likely, there will be multiple games.
"Since I've been here, I've not seen this type of conduct exhibited by a player -- driving his arm backwards and making contact above the shoulder -- I have not seen that."
That story now states that he was assessed a flagrant foul 1.
Edit - From the link:
Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant is not and was not at risk for another suspension after elbowing Philadelphia's Kyle Korver.
League sources told ESPN.com that the incident was reviewed strictly to determine whether Bryant would be retroactively assessed a flagrant foul after his left elbow connected with Korver in L.A.'s 108-92 road defeat Friday night.
That review, sources said, was completed Monday and reclassified the hit as a Flagrant 1 foul, Bryant's first flagrant foul of the season.
In his first game back from a one-game suspension after landing an elbow to the face of Minnesota's Marko Jaric, Bryant extended his elbow as he tried to dribble away from Korver on the perimeter. No foul was called on the play.
The league does reserve the right to reclassify fouls or non-calls as flagrant fouls following a video review. But if this incident had been subject to a possible suspension,
NBA vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson would have rendered a ruling before the Lakers' next game. Bryant was cleared to play in their 108-72 home loss to Dallas on Sunday night.
Yet he remains under close scrutiny, in the media and from the league office, after receiving a pair of one-game suspensions in 2007 for stray elbows.
In both of those cases -- first with San Antonio's Manu Ginobili, then with Jaric -- Bryant made contact by flailing his arms after a shot attempt. No foul was called by game officials on the Ginobili play; Bryant was whistled for an offensive foul after catching Jaric.
"As players, we know during a game when someone is trying to hurt you or be mean, and I never thought that was what was happening," Jaric told ESPN.com last week. "So I'm really surprised by [the suspension]. I haven't seen the replay, but if you ask me what I thought about the play when it happened, I don't think he did it intentionally, and I don't think players should be suspended for things that happen unintentionally. I think he was trying to draw a foul, and he swung his hand out to make it look dramatic, and he hit me by accident. He apologized right after."
Korver offered similar sentiments to the Philadelphia Daily News in response to Friday's incident, saying: "I didn't think it was that big a deal. I thought it was an offensive foul. After I saw it on replay, it looked a lot worse than I thought it was during the game. It all happens fast. It's no big deal. It's just part of the game."
Even though the Korver play has been deemed a flagrant foul, Bryant is not in immediate danger of being suspended based on accumulation of flagrant-foul points.
Players receive one point for a Flagrant 1 foul and two points for a Flagrant 2 two, with suspensions starting when a player's total exceeds five points. Yet in spite of his two suspensions, Bryant's total now sits at one point.
Following the Jaric incident, which occurred just over a month after Bryant's tangle with Ginobili, Jackson told ESPN.com: "We considered suspending [Bryant] for multiple games. ... If this happens again, most likely, there will be multiple games.
"Since I've been here, I've not seen this type of conduct exhibited by a player -- driving his arm backwards and making contact above the shoulder -- I have not seen that."
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rhythmless
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i think everyones making a big deal out of this kobe thing. im a kings fan, and i think that excludes me from any bias towards kobe, but i think the league is doin a little too much with these things. i dont like the "message" stern is trying to send.
kobe is playing basketball. its a clear out move. for those of you that actually play basketball, you will know this happens a lot, and a lot of it is instinctive. if you have someone on your side, as you run away, you clear the space, and give yourself balance.
when you run in for a layup, the instinct is to clear the way for your layup with your offhand. thats ruled an offensive foul. this clear out by kobe is also an offensive foul. and thats all it is.
no one knows whats going on better than the players. and in all these instances, no one has admitted that kobe did it to them intentionally. this says so much more than we, the refs, or stern can say about it. you CAN tell in the game what is happening. again, those that play can attest to this. when they say nothing is going on, NOTHING is going on.
if anyone did think that there was intentional elbows being thrown their way, they WOUlD retaliate. raja bell did it, kaman did it against evans. people complkain about bowen all the time about stepping in from under them. and yet no one says it about kobe. stop all the "its kobe" stuff. its not malicious, its in the game. basketball is not an entirely contact free sport. sheesh
kobe is playing basketball. its a clear out move. for those of you that actually play basketball, you will know this happens a lot, and a lot of it is instinctive. if you have someone on your side, as you run away, you clear the space, and give yourself balance.
when you run in for a layup, the instinct is to clear the way for your layup with your offhand. thats ruled an offensive foul. this clear out by kobe is also an offensive foul. and thats all it is.
no one knows whats going on better than the players. and in all these instances, no one has admitted that kobe did it to them intentionally. this says so much more than we, the refs, or stern can say about it. you CAN tell in the game what is happening. again, those that play can attest to this. when they say nothing is going on, NOTHING is going on.
if anyone did think that there was intentional elbows being thrown their way, they WOUlD retaliate. raja bell did it, kaman did it against evans. people complkain about bowen all the time about stepping in from under them. and yet no one says it about kobe. stop all the "its kobe" stuff. its not malicious, its in the game. basketball is not an entirely contact free sport. sheesh
Basketball is changing. The "it's in the game" stuff isn't necessarily going to forgive this type of situation. No one saying it was intentional doesn't mean it wasn't intentional. It simply means the players aren't going to say so PUBLICLY.
And it's not about "those who play can attest to this" ... That justification is about as old as they get and doesn't necessarily mean a thing.
And it's not about "those who play can attest to this" ... That justification is about as old as they get and doesn't necessarily mean a thing.
rhythmless
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why would this be different from other players being labeled as "dirty?" no one refrains from bashing bowen, etc. were all speculating here.
these are not natural basketball motions, but they are used in the course of thegame. flailing, kicking yourleg out,etc. to gain an upper hand, draw the foul, draw attn from refs.
i disagree that actually playing the game means nothing. i dont know what age of the reason has to do with anything. i dont even play that often, but there is a level of understanding in anything that you dont get any other way otherthan doing it, right? idont understand why experience would be disregarded so easily.
these are not natural basketball motions, but they are used in the course of thegame. flailing, kicking yourleg out,etc. to gain an upper hand, draw the foul, draw attn from refs.
i disagree that actually playing the game means nothing. i dont know what age of the reason has to do with anything. i dont even play that often, but there is a level of understanding in anything that you dont get any other way otherthan doing it, right? idont understand why experience would be disregarded so easily.
So if I don't play basketball I can't possibly know as much as you?
Balderdash. I said it doesn't NECESSARILY mean a thing.
The flailing by Kobe has gone on far too long and has been caught on tape too many times. Natural movement or not, he's now going to have to change it. And it's about time.
Balderdash. I said it doesn't NECESSARILY mean a thing.
The flailing by Kobe has gone on far too long and has been caught on tape too many times. Natural movement or not, he's now going to have to change it. And it's about time.
rhythmless
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come off that. are you saying that people in respective fields not need any amount of actual experience?
im not saying i know more, im not saying you know less. im saying that DOING gives a perspective you cannot gain anywhere else, am i wrong?
im not saying i know more, im not saying you know less. im saying that DOING gives a perspective you cannot gain anywhere else, am i wrong?
It's not worth arguing about to me. Kobe has done this for a long time and it's NOT just clearing out. He is going to have to change his style or face future sanctions by the league. I strongly suspect you'll suddenly see him NOT doing the flailing of the elbow and I also strongly suspect his shooting stats won't suffer appreciably.
Have a nice evening.
Have a nice evening.
rhythmless
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youre right, he is going to have to change it. im not arguing that. its been going on, but like you said, the game is changing. remember the stockton malone days? grabbing, hard picks, elbows by stockton. it was fine. but like you said, its changing.
i dont think its malicious by kobe, is all im trying to get across
i dont think its malicious by kobe, is all im trying to get across
rhythmless
Starter
you havent answered my question about experience, but ill let it go. you have a nice evening as well.
I don't think I really understand your question about experience. My comment was directed at yours:
I was questioning the use of the phrase "those that play can attest to this" for the simple reason it's irrelevant in this situation. It's not about those who play vs. those who don't. It's about whether or not Kobe Bryant has been, for some time, guilty of an action that has more than once caused injury to another player.
I haven't said it was malicious but I do think Kobe knows what he's doing and is fully aware of the possibility that a collison between someone's face and his flailing elbow could be a lot worse for the face.
If you're saying that only by playing can someone understand flailing of elbows or kicking a leg out to "gain an upper hand, draw the foul, draw attn from refs" I firmly and steadfastly disagree. I played basketball back in school but haven't since. That doesn't diminish my love of or basic understanding of the game. It doesn't take an NBA pro to recognize flailing, kicking, etc.
I was questioning the use of the phrase "those that play can attest to this" for the simple reason it's irrelevant in this situation. It's not about those who play vs. those who don't. It's about whether or not Kobe Bryant has been, for some time, guilty of an action that has more than once caused injury to another player.
I haven't said it was malicious but I do think Kobe knows what he's doing and is fully aware of the possibility that a collison between someone's face and his flailing elbow could be a lot worse for the face.
If you're saying that only by playing can someone understand flailing of elbows or kicking a leg out to "gain an upper hand, draw the foul, draw attn from refs" I firmly and steadfastly disagree. I played basketball back in school but haven't since. That doesn't diminish my love of or basic understanding of the game. It doesn't take an NBA pro to recognize flailing, kicking, etc.
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