Kings Wolves Grades (Celt subbing for Brick)

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First let me say I was really hoping someone else would have done these before I got home form the game. The perspective/view really does change things and I have NOT and probably will not watched the tape of the game so these are my impressions from the cheap seats.



On a night when the Kings KNEW their opponent was a dangerous team on a roll fighting for a play off birth the Kings just came out flat and pretty well stayed that way.



Mobley B-: Had moments of energy but struggled to get his jumper to go and frequently got squeezed out of the paint with no call. Got a few boards but did NOT get his team mates involve, did not pass well or often even after it became clear that the jumpers were no going and he was not going to get to the hoop or get the whistle for trying.



Bibby C-: I hate to blame one guy and I hate to be so hard on someone who has carried this team on other nights but if you step up as a leader you have to take it on chin when it does not work. 4 Assists says volumes and his atrocious out side shooting would be forgivable if he had ever stopped taking jumpers. Again the ball movement was not there. He did protect the ball better, and was the general out there again, but when the team needed offense to catch up he did not get the ball to the guys who could hit, worse yet his defense and late TO’s made the comeback attempts futile.



Pedja B+: One of the bright spots was Pedja hitting a few good jumpers, and when they stopped falling for him he took the ball inside for and got to the line. Actually posted up and in general played with more chest hair than I am used to see out of him. Still putting up soft lay ups when a dunk would avoid the block, got in side got 7 rebounds and looked good. Of course before I go too far in singing his praises it is important to note that once again the tallest player the Kings had on the court all night was our SMALL forward. Started to give him an A- but decided that his inability/unwillingness to take over late in the game when the Kings had a chance to get back in it just dropped him a half grade.



Kenny B+: Could go the A- but his ineffectiveness down low on offense and dependence on a flat jumper was a big part of the Kings problem tonight. BTW before getting excited by his 16 rebounds note that many of those were off of his own misses. I can’t blame him much because Garnett and Candyman just towered over him in the paint and really never had to worry about foul trouble.



Skinner C: Really was non factor, got some boards but could get nothing going at all. Again Garnett and Candyman pretty well abused him the whole game. Which raise the question that will be reflected in Adelman’s grade, if Skinner is not bringing any offense, and getting out boarded and pushed around down low why not play Tag at least the token 5 min he has seen lately?



Evans B+: Good to Mo in there fighting for loose balls and getting to the rack as best he could. Like the rest of the Kings his efforts to cut were limited but his quick movement and some decent defense merit notice. He and House really tried to open up a lead and frankly I would have been OK with leaving them in longer.



House A: Plays 13 min hits a perfect 3 for 3, gets 3 boards and 3 assists, why not play him 3 times longer?



Darius C+: Hard to grade the poor guy. He has no business playing center in the first place, then he get out there against Garnett, Griffin and Candyman and was just out of his element. Tried to get his jumper going but unfortunately it was not, and he had no hope inside. The good news would have been that all the Kings clanging jumpers went out far enough that the Kings were able to actually beat the Wolves on the boards but ony because son many of their own shots failed. Darius might even be the poster boy this game, looked flat and disinterested.



Williamson F: Remember when we used to call him scoreless? Well he hit one of 2 FT’s so we can’t call him that. No shot, lost the ball and tried to play one on one against the only guys in the NBA who CAN take him every time.



Adelman D: Sorry RA but when your team is getting beat due to poor shooting and having a hard time getting shots off, you have to move the game in even more and clear out the paint for cutters. You had a guy that could do that and he sat all night. When you need points and your starting guards are 14-39 maybe playing the back ups who shot 6-12 a few more min would help. This game was winnable but the team never caught fire after the first quarter when they were up by 5, that is about coaching and bringing in guys who can spark it up.



Arco Crowd: C-: there were some very, very quiet moments, and watching the mass exodus with 2 min left on the clock down by 9 was sad, very sad.
 
I'd have to agree and maybe i missed something but what is RA thinking? When the Wolves got up by ten, shouldn't there have been a time out to STOP the momentum? were they already out of timeouts? and one thing that continues to bug me..i see the teams we play against press the back court but the only Kings player I can remember seeing doing that was Bobby, the eight second rule is still in effect right? Would pressing the backcourt help? I can't really see how it would hurt.
 
Well done Celt. Good grades I agree with all of them. I def thought Peja showed some fire and was overall our best player out there today, but as usual that fire seemed to dim a little when we needed it most... although Cat and Mike seemed to help that process by jacking up shots and running sets away from him at the end there, (maybe he shouldn't let them?). Adelman deserved a bad grade for his rotations today, he just made the wrong decisions and it hurt our team.
 
Prophetess said:
I'd have to agree and maybe i missed something but what is RA thinking? When the Wolves got up by ten, shouldn't there have been a time out to STOP the momentum? were they already out of timeouts? and one thing that continues to bug me..i see the teams we play against press the back court but the only Kings player I can remember seeing doing that was Bobby, the eight second rule is still in effect right? Would pressing the backcourt help? I can't really see how it would hurt.

ya know i was thinking this exact same thing yesterday...i was watching another NBA game I think it was a Magic game and they did it a lot in the game and ive also noticed that they do it alot just in general...and works to near perfection each time for them...and it made me think....have i ever seen the Kings do this?

I can't think of any real consistent time...why can't they go it every once in awhile...it doesn't have to be every opponent possession but every couple of possessions wouldn't hurt...i dunno maybe RA is worried about our transistion D which isn't good to begin with maybe he believes that pressing would end up hurting us more than it would help us..i dunno...

all i do know is when we are hard pressed for some points getting an easy bucket on our side of the court off a forced turnover can quickly change the momentum, get the crowd into the game and ignite some of the players offense
 
I only heard the game, so your comments shed more light on the game for me. Thanks for you time, it is certainly appreciated.
 
piksi said:
How would that work exactly ?
lol. Ever heard the phrase demand the ball? It's not just a saying. He reminds me of my neice playing hide and go seek with me at the end of close games. Sometimes I forget he's out there and thats troubling. He stops moving to the ball.
 
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KP said:

it was a serious question. How would something like that work ? I thought thata coach is running the plays. If Mike is running them, then Pedja can go to him and tell him "to go to hell". If RA is running them then that is that
 
piksi said:
it was a serious question. How would something like that work ? I thought thata coach is running the plays. If Mike is running them, then Pedja can go to him and tell him "to go to hell". If RA is running them then that is that
I edited, sorry.
 
iheartBrad said:
ya know i was thinking this exact same thing yesterday...i was watching another NBA game I think it was a Magic game and they did it a lot in the game and ive also noticed that they do it alot just in general...and works to near perfection each time for them...and it made me think....have i ever seen the Kings do this?

I can't think of any real consistent time...why can't they go it every once in awhile...it doesn't have to be every opponent possession but every couple of possessions wouldn't hurt...i dunno maybe RA is worried about our transistion D which isn't good to begin with maybe he believes that pressing would end up hurting us more than it would help us..i dunno...

all i do know is when we are hard pressed for some points getting an easy bucket on our side of the court off a forced turnover can quickly change the momentum, get the crowd into the game and ignite some of the players offense

My guess would be that the Kings don't really have the athletes in general to press the other team, starting with Bibby. Cat could probably do it pretty well on most SGs, but I think asking Bibby and/or Peja to pressure guys that are (almost as a rule) faster than they are would lead to difficult situations for the Kings' defense early in the shot clock.
 
4cwebb said:
My guess would be that the Kings don't really have the athletes in general to press the other team, starting with Bibby. Cat could probably do it pretty well on most SGs, but I think asking Bibby and/or Peja to pressure guys that are (almost as a rule) faster than they are would lead to difficult situations for the Kings' defense early in the shot clock.
I think that's exactly why.
 
I would hate to see Mike pressing but I like the idea of our bench pressing. Eddie House is soooo fast that if he gets beat initially he can catch anybody before they get all the way down court. Mo Evans could cause a little ruckus in the backcourt too. Mike would get way too tired if he tried to play full court D though.Cuttino could harass in the backcourt and then Mike could pick em up once they break the press. Our halfcourt D is pathetic so we need to try something!
 
piksi said:
How would that work exactly ?

Our offense does not run that many set plays beyond the pick and roll. Its a feel offense based on multiple options from a number of sets (kind of like a quarterback having option recievers if his #1 option is taken away). All it takes for Peja to go from option #1 to option #3 is for him not to make himself readily available, and boom, he gets skipped over and you're on to the next option.

And you pretty much have 5 options why that is true:

1) Peja does not really want the ball with the game tight, the cuts get a little less hard, and he's content to be a decoy; or
2) the other team does not want Peja to have the ball with the game on the line + Peja is unable to free himself; or
3) Mike/Cat do not want him to have the ball on the line because they have confidence in themselves in those situations but not confidence in Peja; or
4) Rick wants Mike or Cat to have the ball in those situations because he has more confidence in them at that point in the game than he does in Peja; or
5) Peja gets tired, and while a tired McGrady or A.I. (if there is such a thing) has the ball + jsut strts missing shots, a tired Peja, who's whole game is off the ball, jsut doesn't have the energy to get open.
 
Bricklayer said:
Our offense does not run that many set plays beyond the pick and roll. Its a feel offense based on multiple options from a number of sets (kind of like a quarterback having option recievers if his #1 option is taken away). All it takes for Peja to go from option #1 to option #3 is for him not to make himself readily available, and boom, he gets skipped over and you're on to the next option.

And you pretty much have 5 options why that is true:

1) Peja does not really want the ball with the game tight, the cuts get a little less hard, and he's content to be a decoy; or
2) the other team does not want Peja to have the ball with the game on the line + Peja is unable to free himself; or
3) Mike/Cat do not want him to have the ball on the line because they have confidence in themselves in those situations but not confidence in Peja; or
4) Rick wants Mike or Cat to have the ball in those situations because he has more confidence in them at that point in the game than he does in Peja; or
5) Peja gets tired, and while a tired McGrady or A.I. (if there is such a thing) has the ball + jsut strts missing shots, a tired Peja, who's whole game is off the ball, jsut doesn't have the energy to get open.
Good post, you said it better than I could(as usual) and I think it's a combonation of all 5, maybe except 4. That being said I'm pretty sure it says in Huge Bold Letters in every other teams scouting report, "DO NOT LET MIKE BIBBY GET THE BALL AT THE END IF IT'S CLOSE!" yet he always seems to, I guess my point is that he is the focal point for any opposing defense in the 4th and for good reason, because it doesn't matter if they want to stop him or not... they usually can't.
 
BTW, thx very much Celt for providing these. I thought MadD might give it a go, but it appears he's passed out drunk somewhere + will have to be severely beaten once we find him. ;)
 
I couldn't watch the game so I watched the NASCAR race rather than watch the friggen Mavs.

I really appreciated the detailed explanation of the players games. Thanks much, Celt!!
 
Bricklayer said:
Our offense does not run that many set plays beyond the pick and roll. Its a feel offense based on multiple options from a number of sets (kind of like a quarterback having option recievers if his #1 option is taken away). All it takes for Peja to go from option #1 to option #3 is for him not to make himself readily available, and boom, he gets skipped over and you're on to the next option.

And you pretty much have 5 options why that is true:

1) Peja does not really want the ball with the game tight, the cuts get a little less hard, and he's content to be a decoy; or
2) the other team does not want Peja to have the ball with the game on the line + Peja is unable to free himself; or
3) Mike/Cat do not want him to have the ball on the line because they have confidence in themselves in those situations but not confidence in Peja; or
4) Rick wants Mike or Cat to have the ball in those situations because he has more confidence in them at that point in the game than he does in Peja; or
5) Peja gets tired, and while a tired McGrady or A.I. (if there is such a thing) has the ball + jsut strts missing shots, a tired Peja, who's whole game is off the ball, jsut doesn't have the energy to get open.

I think all of them apply in some form or fashion. But that can change if we focus more on Pedja having the ball in the forth. In order to do that the Kings and Pedja has to:

1.) Pedja has to toughen up his play in the 4th. He has to get more physical(aggressive) with the defender to get to the line.

2.) The team should help free him up aswell by seting hard screens for him late in the game.

3.) He must show to the team that he wants to make the shots late in the game. I remember a couple years ago Pedja was tops on the team in OT scoring. We need that Pedja back.

4.) He also needs to be rested more during the game, inorder to have the energy needed in the 4th to be productive. His game is pretty much based on energy because of his off the ball movement. He needs energy to free himself for the shot and energy to make the shot aswell. If you look at his 4th quarter shooting his shots are mostly short that in part indictive to how tired he is.

These are things that I think Pedja and team can do to help Pedja to become a factor late in games.
 
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No problem folks, like I said this is based on game time observations from the top of ARCO, if any of you have ever had distant seats then watched the tapeyou know that different things stand out and soemties things are just plain different.

Starks I cut Cat much more slack beceause he is primarly a shooter. I will note that IF he plans to become an importatn part of the Kings team he will need to pass much more and help more on the boards. That has NEVER been his job or his game with other teams and it DOES seem as if he is trying.
 
this game just reinforces that without Brad Miller in the linup, a King's win or loss is totally dependent on the shooting percentage of Bibby, Mobley and Peja. It's that simple.
 
HndsmCelt said:
Starks I cut Cat much more slack beceause he is primarly a shooter. I will note that IF he plans to become an importatn part of the Kings team he will need to pass much more and help more on the boards. That has NEVER been his job or his game with other teams and it DOES seem as if he is trying.

Don't get me wrong the grades are good. I appreciate it. I don't have problem with cuttino's overall shooting, I have problem when he force it, usually in first 5 second of possession and his unforced - stupid turnovers just killing me.

 
And once again, I salute you, Celt.

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Nice grades!

BTW, I agree with your grade for Cat. I saw energy, I saw activity, I saw him always involved in one way or the other. We all knew he was a "shoot first" guard when he came here. Why it's all of a sudden a surprise to people is beyond me.

;)
 
PixelPusher said:
this game just reinforces that without Brad Miller in the linup, a King's win or loss is totally dependent on the shooting percentage of Bibby, Mobley and Peja. It's that simple.

the kings will live and die by the jump shot for the remainder of the season and the post season. they will be hit and miss, and incredibly inconsistent. its just the nature of their style of play with this new look team. w/ brad out, webb gone, and an entirely different crew w/o an identity, the kings have lost their presence in the paint. thats not to say that we ever had post-up players, but the kings used to have the most beautiful system of high-post cutting, driving, and kicking out in the history of the nba. the princeton offense is much spottier for the kings than it used to be. we dont have the cutters that we used to. well, we do, but we dont have the passers to reinforce that system. strange thing is, the two guys i see cutting to the basket most often are kenny thomas and brian skinner, neither of which were with the team in its passing glory days. the assists are still high for the kings, but they come primarily on jump shots these days.

brad miller's return will improve this scenario, of course, but i've got a feeling it wont be quite enough to get this team back to where it was. as good as we all feel about these new guys, i still gotta say we've taken a coupla steps back this season. that is, of course, what happens as guys get older. its the nature of the game. i hope geoff petrie will react in the off season, and make the moves necessary to make this kings team more cohesive. i think one piece, maybe two, and we're right back in contention. and i aint talkin about guys like kevin garnett. those are all just pipedreams. the kings coaching staff has shown an increasing aptitude in maximizing the talents of both stars and role players. the key issue for the kings next season is what to do with the 5-spot. do we start kenny thomas, an undersized PF on an already undersized front line, or do we start darius songaila, an improving but still foul-prone young player. or do we shop around for somebody else. i dunno. the other 4 starters are set in stone, and the bench has obviously improved. b-jax's status and the PF rotation are the two things i think the kings will be looking at most in the off season. i place my faith in geoff petrie yet again, and i look forward to seeing the kings whole again next season.
 
Bricklayer said:
Our offense does not run that many set plays beyond the pick and roll. Its a feel offense based on multiple options from a number of sets (kind of like a quarterback having option recievers if his #1 option is taken away). All it takes for Peja to go from option #1 to option #3 is for him not to make himself readily available, and boom, he gets skipped over and you're on to the next option.

And you pretty much have 5 options why that is true:

1) Peja does not really want the ball with the game tight, the cuts get a little less hard, and he's content to be a decoy; or
2) the other team does not want Peja to have the ball with the game on the line + Peja is unable to free himself; or
3) Mike/Cat do not want him to have the ball on the line because they have confidence in themselves in those situations but not confidence in Peja; or
4) Rick wants Mike or Cat to have the ball in those situations because he has more confidence in them at that point in the game than he does in Peja; or
5) Peja gets tired, and while a tired McGrady or A.I. (if there is such a thing) has the ball + jsut strts missing shots, a tired Peja, who's whole game is off the ball, jsut doesn't have the energy to get open.

All of the above except 4. I can see how RA would want Mike to take the last shot, but I don't see RA using Pedja as just a decoy in 4th. If RA had serious issues with Pedja in the 4th, he'd give him J-Will treatment.
 
Thanks Celt. I did not see the game (stupid ABC) but PBP, box score and your grades painted the whole picture for me. Great job.
 
bozzwell said:
All of the above except 4. I can see how RA would want Mike to take the last shot, but I don't see RA using Pedja as just a decoy in 4th. If RA had serious issues with Pedja in the 4th, he'd give him J-Will treatment.
What's that?
 
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