[Game] Kings vs. Magic, 2/12/2021, 7pm PST, 10pm EST
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were you even watching the game? The starters were taking a dump on the floor. Bjeli was a +10 and it wasn’t just garbage minutes. The starters let the lead balloon to almost 20 points. After Luke replaced them all, the second group got the team within striking distance. Cut the lead to 9 and was about 13 when he subbed the starters back in who let the lead balloon up again to almost 20. Reinsert bjelli and Jeffries back in and they cut the lead to 9 again but couldn’t get over the hump having to cut a 18 point lead in half twice in the half. Bjelli has had his fair share of bad games but this loss was no way his fault. He didn’t let vucevic and MCW go off or lead the team in turnovers. If 15/9/6 and +10 +/-doesn’t deserve some minutes in this game, I dunno what to tell you.
I can't agree with this take in this particular instance. Ty was having a really rough stretch with several boneheaded turnovers (he would say this himself) and wasn't doing much on offense. -19 plus minus.
Cojo was 5-7 and finished +7
The only reason we didn't lose by 30 is because Walton pulled all the starters and ran Whiteside, Guy, DQJ, Belly and Cojo. That group was in on most of the 14-3 run in the third that got the Kings back to within 9.
I see Steelevt beat me to the punch.
Cojo was 5-7 and finished +7
The only reason we didn't lose by 30 is because Walton pulled all the starters and ran Whiteside, Guy, DQJ, Belly and Cojo. That group was in on most of the 14-3 run in the third that got the Kings back to within 9.
I see Steelevt beat me to the punch.
Were you?
First, don’t cite me +- BS. It’s been proven a flawed way to evaluate. I mean, by that logic the entire KINGS bench should start next game. But what do you think their +- would look like next game??
Furthermore, Vucevic was clearly the most impactful Orlando player tonight yet THREE of his teammates ended up with higher +. Take that for data.
Secondly, it’s not about Belly‘s offensive production.
It’s what he doesn’t do on the other end of the floor. He and CoJo.
Those two players played the 3rd and 4th most minutes tonight behind HB and Buddy Hield.
If they were as positively impactful as you’ve fooled yourself into believing, the game would have been much closer.
First, don’t cite me +- BS. It’s been proven a flawed way to evaluate. I mean, by that logic the entire KINGS bench should start next game. But what do you think their +- would look like next game??
Furthermore, Vucevic was clearly the most impactful Orlando player tonight yet THREE of his teammates ended up with higher +. Take that for data.
Secondly, it’s not about Belly‘s offensive production.
It’s what he doesn’t do on the other end of the floor. He and CoJo.
Those two players played the 3rd and 4th most minutes tonight behind HB and Buddy Hield.
If they were as positively impactful as you’ve fooled yourself into believing, the game would have been much closer.
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You guys really need to stop reading +- boxscores.
Belly and CoJo do not play winning basketball. There’s no valid argument to lay out against that.
I’d rather see the KINGS continue to take their chances with Haliburton making boneheaded turnovers and gaining experience from it than to see them throw in the towel by playing defensive deficient bench scrubs — one of which has been terrible all season and the other has been buried on the bench for over 4 weeks — which has zero upside.
IDC how bad Holmes and Haliburton were. They need to play more than Belly and CoJo. Period, end of story.
Belly and CoJo do not play winning basketball. There’s no valid argument to lay out against that.
I’d rather see the KINGS continue to take their chances with Haliburton making boneheaded turnovers and gaining experience from it than to see them throw in the towel by playing defensive deficient bench scrubs — one of which has been terrible all season and the other has been buried on the bench for over 4 weeks — which has zero upside.
IDC how bad Holmes and Haliburton were. They need to play more than Belly and CoJo. Period, end of story.
I watched the game AND described the sequence that showed you were wrong. +/- isn’t the end all be all but in this case it backed up my argument as well as other stats I posted which were points rebounds and assists. Also these players didn’t play the whole 3rd and 4th quarters. As I explained it my post in case you didn’t watch the games. The starters let the score get to 18. Then bjelli and the bench were put in and cut the lead in half. They were taken out in the 4th and the lead blew up again to 18, when they were subbed back in during the 4th, lead was cut down again. Rewatch it, read the play by play, whatever. My accounts proved I watched the game. This loss was not on bjelly but you go ahead and post bias as evidence.
Stuff like this is why I question you even watched the game. Bjelli was subbed in for the 4 not 5. He played with whiteside and holmes. I don’t think he even play the 5 til the very end when holmes proved he played one of his worst defensive games of the year letting vucevic rain 3s on him. Some players have bad games but it doesn’t mean bench them forever. A coach should play the hot hand. If bags or whiteside is playing better than holmes, yeah you keep riding them. I thought bjelli deserved minutes over gr3 not holmes.
Stuff like this is why I question you even watched the game. Bjelli was subbed in for the 4 not 5. He played with whiteside and holmes. I don’t think he even play the 5 til the very end when holmes proved he played one of his worst defensive games of the year letting vucevic rain 3s on him. Some players have bad games but it doesn’t mean bench them forever. A coach should play the hot hand. If bags or whiteside is playing better than holmes, yeah you keep riding them. I thought bjelli deserved minutes over gr3 not holmes.
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Look at the lakers past few games. They needed OT to beat the pistons, okc x2 and were down 22-2 vs the grizzlies. Sometimes you take a team lightly or sometimes they play above their level. We were playing a team we beat wire to wire earlier and thought we could beat them easily again. Also vucevic has only scored over 40 one other time this year and hasn’t shot 6/8 from 3. Don’t get me wrong, I know he’s good, but he doesn’t avg those numbers. I think it’s a combo of us not taking them seriously and like you said, a team that has no business winning coming out and dominating.
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I didn't watch the game but checked out the highlights. Vuc had a lot of open 3's with the pass and pop behind the 3 line. No one followed him to contest those threes. He was 5 for 5 out there? We gotta get our bigs to stretch out there, Holmes was having trouble following him. I saw a lot of turnovers as well. Between those 2 factors, i believe that's the game. Belly looked pretty good actually and Cojo was decent. How can the blame be put on them?!
The depth was there, Walton decided earlier to bench Bjelica and shorten rotation ......when you play without your all-star guard playing the best basketball in his career, there's gonna be some fallout. Fox single-handedly willed 2 or 3 of those wins - especially vs the Clippers. I think expectations may have pegged higher though.
DQJ and Parker have been out with injury. We may never know about Belly, but Kayte said just last night he was out for personal reasons and a back issue. That could very well be just an excuse for pulling him out of the rotation but seems like an unnecessary lie. Fans said the same thing about Whiteside not playing until he himself said he was injured and that was the reason for missed time.
May not be a defensive wizard, but he takes pressure off of Holmes when he gets into foul trouble or when the team is facing a mobile center.
Bagley is technically a PF who plays some minutes at 5. Holmes should be better at defending 5s than him. When they're both in the game and Bagley is guarding the 5, has no one questioned why? So yeah, not having the full starting 5 and going with small ball for much of the game had a defensive impact. Bjelica is not good at defense, so they needed to adjust the scheme when he was in.
Bagley is technically a PF who plays some minutes at 5. Holmes should be better at defending 5s than him. When they're both in the game and Bagley is guarding the 5, has no one questioned why? So yeah, not having the full starting 5 and going with small ball for much of the game had a defensive impact. Bjelica is not good at defense, so they needed to adjust the scheme when he was in.
The Kings were terrible. Wholly terrible. Trying to break it down by individual players is fruitless. Orlando had the best player on the floor and the Kings did nothing to slow him down. This game makes me lean toward trading all players of value except for Fox, Tyrese and MB3 - trying to get a good lottery pick and flexibility and assets to try to grab another star. Knee jerk - yeah - but this game was eye opening.
Outside of Fox not being there, the Kings reverted to much of what was never working on both ends and that is troubling when you trace back through Waltons tenure because this often didn't go back on the shelf too quickly. Too much ball swinging motion on one end, and waaay too much over help in the paint on the other.