[Game] Kings v. Grizzlies 4/7/13

[rainmaker]

I don't think anyone will offer him the max, because of how he's been managed, but I'm sure someone will offer something pretty good. It really depends: how many teams have the capspace and need a dynamic guard?

I'd be worried about Dallas. I am worried about Dallas. Dirk just came out and basically said I'm not playing for the 8th or 9th seed next year. Next year is his last under contract. If Cuban doesn't make an impact this summer on the FA market, Dirk probably won't resign with Dallas. And Dallas has plenty of cap space.

Would new ownership match a sizable offer without having evaluated Reke themselves and him never playing for the new coach? Remains to be seen.

 

[spudfan]

I don't think anyone will offer him the max, because of how he's been managed, but I'm sure someone will offer something pretty good. It really depends: how many teams have the capspace and need a dynamic guard?

I don't think he is worth the max, but he is worth more than the 6.9 QO too. If a team wanted him do they wait until after this year and risk someone else offering him something or do they give him a contract this summer? The only way he would leave if new ownership wanted him is if all teams just held off til next year.

No idea if this is what most teams do, can anyone enlighten me?

 

[rainmaker]

I don't think he is worth the max, but he is worth more than the 6.9 QO too. If a team wanted him do they wait until after this year and risk someone else offering him something or do they give him a contract this summer? The only way he would leave if new ownership wanted him is if all teams just held off til next year.

No idea if this is what most teams do, can anyone enlighten me?

Reke's agent will talk to new ownership and the new GM and hear their thoughts, what they think Reke is worth. Knowing that, his agent then talks/shops around to other teams and sees what they'd offer for Reke. If another team they like would offer considerably more than what we would, they might take the risk and sign a contract this summer leaving us to decide to match.

If the other offers aren't that different than what we value Reke, he probably signs the QO and weighs his options next summer.

 

[upinsmoke]

his brothers know he can get money elsewhere and win quick. i can see him on the bulls

I don't think your familiar with the new cba.

 

[Kingsnbucs1987]

I personally don't want to see him walk without compensation but I don't believe he is as important to the future of this franchise as others do. He's not a leader and hasn't significantly improved his game since his rookie year. His jumper is better this year but he's not a guy who can single-handedly make your team a winner (like a James, Wade, Duncan, Kobe, Durant, etc.). He's a good complimentary piece.

Well what other team has talent like that, those players also have good to great coaching to help them grow and mature, Reke had 4 years under Westphal and Smart. I'd rather keep Reke than the plethora of other guards we have. Like you said, he's a good complimentary piece to have, you need at least 2 star level players to succeed in the league and I'm not saying Reke is a star, but he could be. Next year will be his 5th year in the league and he'll only be 23-24, he's nowhere near close to his prime yet.

If we can't keep him and he goes to a team like Portland, Chicago, or Indiana, he could be the piece that puts them over the top.

 

[HereWeStay]

so who gets max here? him or cuz?

 

[upinsmoke]

If dmc can't get his act together its reke.

 

[HereWeStay]

If dmc can't get his act together its reke.

lmao you would really dump cuz? you have to have a top 10 center to win a nba title you just cant let him go and pick up a bum lol

 

[Bricklayer]

lmao you would really dump cuz? you have to have a top 10 center to win a nba title you just cant let him go and pick up a bum lol

ahem -- the last NBA title was won by Miami

However in general I've long made that point, and DMC is the clear priority. Lose him, and you are a fool that deserves however many years of losing and fruitless chasing you get out of it. That said, one of the few "benefits" of the massive Reke mismanagement, is that if by some chance we can convince him to come back (and here is the truth, if I were him I would blow town and never look back) we've mismanaged his numbers down to a level where he is NOT going to get maxed out. not 5 year max. That will be there for Cuz. Reke won't even get 4 yr max. And so we've screwed up so bad we should have a chance to get him back on a reasonable contract for a player at his level. Deminichucker the backcourt, and he's at least and 18-5-4 type SG, and maybe more.

 

[VF21]

I'd be worried about Dallas. I am worried about Dallas. Dirk just came out and basically said I'm not playing for the 8th or 9th seed next year. Next year is his last under contract. If Cuban doesn't make an impact this summer on the FA market, Dirk probably won't resign with Dallas. And Dallas has plenty of cap space.

Would new ownership match a sizable offer without having evaluated Reke themselves and him never playing for the new coach? Remains to be seen.

You and I are looking at this from a different perspective. I think the Fab Four ownership group has done their homework and has already a pretty good idea of what players they want to keep.

 

[HereWeStay]

ahem -- the last NBA title was won by Miami

However in general I've long made that point, and DMC is the clear priority. Lose him, and you are a fool that deserves however many years of losing and fruitless chasing you get out of it. That said, one of the few "benefits" of the massive Reke mismanagement, is that if by some chance we can convince him to come back (and here is the truth, if I were him I would blow town and never look back) we've mismanaged his numbers down to a level where he is NOT going to get maxed out. not 5 year max. That will be there for Cuz. Reke won't even get 4 yr max. And so we've screwed up so bad we should have a chance to get him back on a reasonable contract for a player at his level. Deminichucker the backcourt, and he's at least and 18-5-4 type SG, and maybe more.

they had the best player in the world that doesnt count, if you look at all the top playoff teams, look at their center.

clipps- dj/blake(blake plays c sometimes)
lakers- howard
knicks- amare/chandler
spurs- duncan/splitter
okc- perkins
warriors bogut
celtics- kg
bulls- noah

those are just some of the top playoff contending teams in the nba, and they all have a top 15 to top 10 center in the nba.
miami has the best sf and sg so they dont really need a center, you can put bosh as a c from time to time but they dont really count in this discussion. every other playoff team thats a contender has a legit big man
if we get rid of cousins we are going to be like the hawes and kenny thomas days, and im sure you dont want that life..

 

[twslam07]

they had the best player in the world that doesnt count, if you look at all the top playoff teams, look at their center.

clipps- dj/blake(blake plays c sometimes)
lakers- howard
knicks- amare/chandler
spurs- duncan/splitter
okc- perkins
warriors bogut
celtics- kg
bulls- noah

those are just some of the top playoff contending teams in the nba, and they all have a top 15 to top 10 center in the nba.
miami has the best sf and sg so they dont really need a center, you can put bosh as a c from time to time but they dont really count in this discussion. every other playoff team thats a contender has a legit big man
if we get rid of cousins we are going to be like the hawes and kenny thomas days, and im sure you dont want that life..

A lot of this comes down to who you have as the top 10 centers in the league. Just by the math alone, there will be at least 6 teams that make the playoffs without a top 10 center (16 teams make the playoffs minus the teams that have a top 10 center). As for your shortened list above, Jordan and Perkins are definitely not top 10 centers. Also, just because a player plays center at some point in a game, it doesn't make them a center (referencing your Griffin comment above).

Why don't we go through the players for the fun of it? Let's say Howard, Chandler, Duncan, Bogut, Garnett, and Noah are all top 10 centers. That leaves room for only 4 more centers. Who would you take out of Jefferson, Bynum, M. Gasol, Horford (rather him play PF), Cousins, Monroe, Gortat, Hibbert, B. Lopez, Varejao, Vucevic, and Pekovic?

The point is this, there are many quality centers in the league. Not every championship team has had a top 10 center. I'm sure plenty of them had a center among the same level as the list above, but again you don't need one to win a championship. Does it help? Of course it does, but that's not what this argument is about.

For God's sake, the Lakers have Howard who is arguably the best center in the game right now. If the season ended today, the Lakers would miss the playoffs. And it's not like, Howard has no support. He has someone named Kobe Bryant who is arguably the next best player after Lebron and Durant. On top of that he has Gasol, Nash, and World Peace to round out the starting lineup. So don't sit there and say you need a top 10 center to win a championship. If there was only one way to build a championship team, why isn't every team pursuing it?

Now do I want Cousins gone? Hell no! He is the best shot we have at a championship. He can become the best center in the league. But being the best center in the league isn't going to be enough to beat the Heat or Thunder. It depends on what players we surround Cousins with that will ultimately dictate our success.

 

[Padrino]

many of you miss the point. if there are few dominant centers in the nba, having one of the best in the game presents a distinct advantage regardless of the way the league is trending. it's not a guarantee that you'll go deep into the playoffs with such a player, but you can count the number of effective back-to-the-basket centers in the contemporary nba on one hand. so, if you develop demarcus cousins into the game's premier back-to-the-basket center, then all of a sudden you have a considerable advantage over those teams that prize perimeter players over post players, particularly since, in a seven-game playoff series, fortune will typically favor the team that owns the paint. of course, it will first require team-wide defensive improvement and a coach with more than half a brain to catapult the kings in the direction of the playoffs, but drafting a guy like demarcus cousins is always a good first step. the kings' problem is that they've failed miserably at steps 2-10 thus far, and now they risk seeing a potential franchise center walk out the door because they've wasted the bulk of his rookie contract dicking around...

 

[Glenn]

many of you miss the point. if there are few dominant centers in the nba, having one of the best in the game presents a distinct advantage regardless of the way the league is trending. it's not a guarantee that you'll go deep into the playoffs with such a player, but you can count the number of effective back-to-the-basket centers in the contemporary nba on one hand. so, if you develop demarcus cousins into the game's premier back-to-the-basket center, then all of a sudden you have a considerable advantage over those teams that prize perimeter players over post players, particularly since, in a seven-game playoff series, fortune will typically favor the team that owns the paint. of course, it will first require team-wide defensive improvement and a coach with more than half a brain to catapult the kings in the direction of the playoffs, but drafting a guy like demarcus cousins is always a good first step. the kings' problem is that they've failed miserably at steps 2-10 thus far, and now they risk seeing a potential franchise center walk out the door because they've wasted the bulk of his rookie contract dicking around...

Of course.