Kings trade Tyrese and Buddy for Sabonis and Holiday and Lamb
- Thread starter Tetsujin
- Start date
It'd be pretty foolish to make that determination in the final 25 games of the year and I'd be stunned if McNair did so. I'd want to see what they look like with the McNair coach and a fresh supporting cast suited to their game around them before considering any trade. The whole point of this deal is you think Sabonis/Fox can be a consistent playoff duo. You have to give that time to work itself out before abandoning the project.
I don't see that. I agree with Jamal's post above yours. If anything this move bought McNair more time. He can sell Vivek on time needed to retool the roster around Fox/Sabonis, probably get buy in on a wide coaching search, etc.
I think standing pat and making no deals would have been the thing to put him in the hot seat.
A lot of us here have argued that a full rebuild around Haliburton was the right move. Sell low on Fox and trade Barnes, Hield, Bagley etc for young players, draft capital and cap room. In that scenario I think you test the waters to trade Holmes but keep him if there isn't a great deal because he works so well with Tyrese. Build through the draft etc. But I don't think Ranadive would allow that.
So the only real option would be win now moves. As those go, this isn't a terrible deal, regardless of what national sports media says. We'll see what act 2 of this play is soon I hope.
I think standing pat and making no deals would have been the thing to put him in the hot seat.
A lot of us here have argued that a full rebuild around Haliburton was the right move. Sell low on Fox and trade Barnes, Hield, Bagley etc for young players, draft capital and cap room. In that scenario I think you test the waters to trade Holmes but keep him if there isn't a great deal because he works so well with Tyrese. Build through the draft etc. But I don't think Ranadive would allow that.
So the only real option would be win now moves. As those go, this isn't a terrible deal, regardless of what national sports media says. We'll see what act 2 of this play is soon I hope.
One challenge is that his camp will likely demand/expect max. As of now, I don't see him as that level of player, but if he demands it, can we afford to let him walk for nothing after the price we paid to get him?
Teams would like to avoid such players get to final years of their contract, and an extension is often negotiated ahead. If he gets to the final year of his contract, at least some of the offers will dry up, as teams will hope they can sign him for free. Trading teams also fear that he might not sign long term (though back channel negotiations allow them to get a pulse on the situation). Some of the teams at least might fear this, and may not offer too much.
Teams would like to avoid such players get to final years of their contract, and an extension is often negotiated ahead. If he gets to the final year of his contract, at least some of the offers will dry up, as teams will hope they can sign him for free. Trading teams also fear that he might not sign long term (though back channel negotiations allow them to get a pulse on the situation). Some of the teams at least might fear this, and may not offer too much.
I don’t know I didn’t say that. Not sure who you are quoting. I mean I don’t care either way. If you guys like him so much Indiana games are broadcast just like the Kings are. It’s over and done. If dealing with it is hard to do I can help you here—-> https://www.nba.com/pacers/schedule
Cuz people aren’t crapping on ty like they were on fox. They both play poor defense but fox is to blame. They’re both starting on a losing team but it’s fox that gets the blame. Ty doesn’t need the excuse cuz no one was blaming him yet. It would have come after fox was traded and ty got a pay raise. Trust me. But since ty was on a rookie contract and only his second year, he shouldn’t bear the responsibility of vaulting this crap team to playoff contenders. He had potential to do so and I wish he was with the team still to see it through, but it’s tiresome that fans need to pit our good players against each other all the time.
Not to be facetious, but if we kept Haliburton we'd have similar concerns about whether he would ask for a max deal, if he's worth that max deal etc.
This a major issue for bad teams. They lack talent so a guy who would be a good player on a contending team is forced to be their best player and gets paid like a franchise guy when he isn't. On the other hand, on a good team that same guy is a 2nd or 3rd (or even 4th) option and gets a contract more in line with his actual value. It can go too far the other way, where a team is so good that rivals poach their 4th best player thinking he can be a star if given more opportunity. We saw this with Harrison Barnes being signed away from the Warriors by the Mavs.
But in general the reality is that if McNair could actually build a winning team in Sacramento and add at least one more impact player, not only would Sabonis be more likely to stay, he'd probably not be getting a max deal to do so.
This a major issue for bad teams. They lack talent so a guy who would be a good player on a contending team is forced to be their best player and gets paid like a franchise guy when he isn't. On the other hand, on a good team that same guy is a 2nd or 3rd (or even 4th) option and gets a contract more in line with his actual value. It can go too far the other way, where a team is so good that rivals poach their 4th best player thinking he can be a star if given more opportunity. We saw this with Harrison Barnes being signed away from the Warriors by the Mavs.
But in general the reality is that if McNair could actually build a winning team in Sacramento and add at least one more impact player, not only would Sabonis be more likely to stay, he'd probably not be getting a max deal to do so.
It works for all players though?
Bad teams have a way of distorting a players' stats. Booker scored more points per game in Ayton's rookie year when they sucked eggs than he does this year. It doesn't make him a better or worse player.
Absolutely no one appears to be making the argument that Ty was put in a position to succeed while Fox wasn't so I'm not sure what card it is you're trying to play. If anything the narrative was that the front office was failing both guys by not balancing the roster one way or another.
Bad teams have a way of distorting a players' stats. Booker scored more points per game in Ayton's rookie year when they sucked eggs than he does this year. It doesn't make him a better or worse player.
Absolutely no one appears to be making the argument that Ty was put in a position to succeed while Fox wasn't so I'm not sure what card it is you're trying to play. If anything the narrative was that the front office was failing both guys by not balancing the roster one way or another.