Kings trade Tyrese and Buddy for Sabonis and Holiday and Lamb

why would Sabonis resign here. I didn't even realize he was an UFA.

How often do UFA stick with their same team ?
 
See_Hanks said:
No way. Fox has already proven that he's not the leader, because on paper we had a pretty kickbutt team, and 1v1 we had a lineup that could go against any NBA team. But for some reason the chemistry wasn't there. Fox is not the guy to take us into the future. We traded the wrong guy.
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I, uh- You must have been looking at a different roster from the rest of us.
 
Padrino said:
What future did they sacrifice? What has been mortgaged as a result of this trade?
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Haliburton.

I don't quite understand why you posed the question, because the answer is obvious. People are upset about trading away Haliburton. It's certainly not anything else in the trade. Not even the Buddy supporters are mad he was traded for Sabonis, and the writing has been on the wall for a year. Nobody is going to miss Thompson. Nobody is mad about getting Holiday (decent value) or Lamb (expiring) back. And nobody dislikes Sabonis at basically $20M per for two seasons on top of the end of this one. Clearly some people value Haliburton (or relatively value Haliburton vs. Sabonis) differently than I suppose you do. But the answer was obvious when you posed the question. What answer did you want?
 
captain bill said:
Vet movement is the norm these days. Last offseason saw a massive shuffle of everyone possible.
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Pretty sure we've got Superman bird rights on him if things shake out and in that scenario, 90% of those guys stay put unless they're Kyrie or something.
 
miltonap said:
why would Sabonis resign here. I didn't even realize he was an UFA.

How often do UFA stick with their same team ?
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The idea is the Monte retool has gone quite well, we've broken the playoff curse and we're an ascending playoff team being lead by 26 year old De'Aaron Fox and 27 year old Domantas Sabonis.

I'm fairly certain we get Sabonis full bird rights as well, which lets us go over the cap to keep him as well as an additional year/more money than anyone else. For a guy that's been drastically underpaid during his extension, I'd think a big max deal would be fairly appealing since he hasn't made his bag yet.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Haliburton.

I don't quite understand why you posed the question, because the answer is obvious. People are upset about trading away Haliburton. It's certainly not anything else in the trade. Not even the Buddy supporters are mad he was traded for Sabonis, and the writing has been on the wall for a year. Nobody is going to miss Thompson. Nobody is mad about getting Holiday (decent value) or Lamb (expiring) back. And nobody dislikes Sabonis at basically $20M per for two seasons on top of the end of this one. Clearly some people value Haliburton (or relatively value Haliburton vs. Sabonis) differently than I suppose you do. But the answer was obvious when you posed the question. What answer did you want?
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I suppose I wanted the individual I quoted to explain how trading Tyrese Haliburton "mortgages everything," when that is quite clearly not what the trade accomplished.
 
The_Jamal said:
The idea is the Monte retool has gone quite well, we've broken the playoff curse and we're an ascending playoff team being lead by 26 year old De'Aaron Fox and 27 year old Domantas Sabonis.

I'm fairly certain we get Sabonis full bird rights as well, which lets us go over the cap to keep him as well as an additional year/more money than anyone else. For a guy that's been drastically underpaid during his extension, I'd think a big max deal would be fairly appealing since he hasn't made his bag yet.
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he’s on a $70mm contract
 
Every Kings player who is young and plays well apparently is the savior (Cousins/Fox/Ty/Tyreke) and untouchable, look I as much as anyone wanted Fox gone but reality is with his cancerous contract your not getting anything of value for him in return, Ty while talented is still massively unproven and to get Sabonis you need to give up something good. Like I said before there is nothing easier than finding really good PG's who can compete with any elite PG in the NBA, the majority of the planet is filled with people that are PG size, finding elite wings and to a lesser extent bigs (Sabonis) is way harder.

How many good bigs and wings have the Kings drafted in the last 15 years, as far as bigs its Cousins (maybe Whiteside for a couple Miami seasons) and wings literally no one. PG's they have drafted 3 (Fox/Hali/Thomas/Tyreke was a PG basically in his first season or so).
 
See_Hanks said:
No way. Fox has already proven that he's not the leader, because on paper we had a pretty kickbutt team, and 1v1 we had a lineup that could go against any NBA team. But for some reason the chemistry wasn't there. Fox is not the guy to take us into the future. We traded the wrong guy.
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Sit down newbie lol
 
ESP47 said:
I think it's because he doesn't quite fix the main problems that the team has and is potentially an ill fit with Fox since they've shot similar from beyond the arc over the course of their careers.

No one thinks that Sabonis is a bad player, he's the best player we've had since Cousins. The issue is whether acquiring him will just put us back in the Cousins 30 wins a year, middle to back end of the lottery era. The Kings need a top 4 pick this year extremely badly. If they get that and hit on a player, they could be a playoff team down the road with a Fox/Sabonis/top 4 pick core.

If he comes in and pushes them back to 8th in the draft and all they get is a backup wing out of it, then they're in the same situation they always find themselves in. Not bad enough to get the good players, not good enough to make the playoffs, not enough talent to get better through trades and no way of signing good free agents. It's why it's a potential rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic situation.
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Oh, I get the apprehension. He's a throwback big man, and not an elite rim protector. He's not a terrible defender, he is the only player on the Pacers that is a plus on offense and defense, according to 538's RAPTOR. If Monte can trade for a more nimble-footed partner for him, then our interior will be fine.

Sabonis is not a great 3-point shooter, but he does have a good elbow jumper, and is in the top 20 for player efficiency, something I feel is being overlooked. He is being this efficient, on a team, that is one of the worst in the NBA in 3-point shooting, bottom 5 bad. Sabonis is a more fleet of foot Cousins with insane efficiency. I know he will become a fan favorite quite quickly.

I will miss Haliburton a lot, but I am excited to see Sabonis. It's insane that Monte was able to get this done without giving up any draft capital.
 
The_Jamal said:
When you've been a max level player the past 2 seasons and been playing for well below your market value (and have to for another 2 and a half seasons), a big contract should be a priority. Or at least it would be for me in that situation.
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he’s the son of the greatest soviet player ever grew up with nba money and I don’t think he’s hurting. Idk what his personal priorities are but if anyone actually cares about basketball itself one of their top agenda items is gonna be getting as far away from Vivek Ranadive as possible
 
The big question for me is... what now? We can't just replace Hali with DBone and expect a major difference. We have to fill the roster with some defense. Shooting. I still think Holmes for Wash makes a ton of sense but the Hornets have lost a bunch in a row and now Hayward is hurt. Are they buyers?

What about
Kings trade Marvin Bagley Harrison Barnes '22 second round pick
Kings receive Jerami Grant Kelly Olynyk

Pistons trade Jerami Grant
Pistons receive Evan Fournier, Marvin Bagley '22 NY first round pick '22 sac second rounder

Knicks trade Evan Fournier
Knicks receive Harrison Barnes

Mitchell Ish Smith
Fox Lamb
Grant Holiday
Washington Olynyk
Sabonis New Dame
 
iowamcnabb said:
The big question for me is... what now? We can't just replace Hali with DBone and expect a major difference. We have to fill the roster with some defense. Shooting. I still think Holmes for Wash makes a ton of sense but the Hornets have lost a bunch in a row and now Hayward is hurt. Are they buyers?

What about
Kings trade Marvin Bagley Harrison Barnes '22 second round pick
Kings receive Jerami Grant Kelly Olynyk

Pistons trade Jerami Grant
Pistons receive Evan Fournier, Marvin Bagley '22 NY first round pick '22 sac second rounder

Knicks trade Evan Fournier
Knicks receive Harrison Barnes

Mitchell Ish Smith
Fox Lamb
Grant Holiday
Washington Olynyk
Sabonis New Dame
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Thats literally 5 below average shooters to start the game....
 
Tetsujin said:
Pretty sure we've got Superman bird rights on him if things shake out and in that scenario, 90% of those guys stay put unless they're Kyrie or something.
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I strongly suspect this was auto-correct at work but "Superman bird rights" needs to be an actual thing. Or maybe "Super Birdman rights" for the Michael Keaton (or Chris Anderson?) fans.

It could go something like this: If a player...

(A) Has played for or was raised in Indiana* and
(B) Has made exactly 2 All Star teams (no more, no less) and
(C) Is related to a former player whose entire NBA career started and ended in his 30s and
(D) Was recently traded for a universally well-liked budding star who just set a new career high in assists in his last game

Then he may be re-signed only by the team he was traded to and his salary will not count against the salary cap. It's only fair, really.


*(Bonus points if Jerry Reynolds has ever butchered your name on live television.)
 
hrdboild said:
I strongly suspect this was auto-correct at work but "Superman bird rights" needs to be an actual thing. Or maybe "Super Birdman rights" for the Michael Keaton (or Chris Anderson?) fans.

It could go something like this: If a player...

(A) Has played for or was raised in Indiana* and
(B) Has made exactly 2 All Star teams (no more, no less) and
(C) Is related to a former player whose entire NBA career started and ended in his 30s and
(D) Was recently traded for a universally well-liked budding star who just set a new career high in assists in his last game

Then he may be re-signed only by the team he was traded to and his salary will not count against the salary cap. It's only fair, really.


*(Bonus points if Jerry Reynolds has ever butchered your name on live television.)
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It was supposed to be supermax but if Domas breaks our streak, we may as well call him Superman.
 
iowamcnabb said:
The big question for me is... what now? We can't just replace Hali with DBone and expect a major difference. We have to fill the roster with some defense. Shooting. I still think Holmes for Wash makes a ton of sense but the Hornets have lost a bunch in a row and now Hayward is hurt. Are they buyers?

What about
Kings trade Marvin Bagley Harrison Barnes '22 second round pick
Kings receive Jerami Grant Kelly Olynyk

Pistons trade Jerami Grant
Pistons receive Evan Fournier, Marvin Bagley '22 NY first round pick '22 sac second rounder

Knicks trade Evan Fournier
Knicks receive Harrison Barnes

Mitchell Ish Smith
Fox Lamb
Grant Holiday
Washington Olynyk
Sabonis New Dame
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This is why I don't like attempting trades with this roster to win now. Every path leads to mediocrity. Even when assuming we can get the best of the other team in the trade.
 
ESP47 said:
This is why I don't like attempting trades with this roster to win now. Every path leads to mediocrity. Even when assuming we can get the best of the other team in the trade.
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Yeh it might not be the preferred path but there is some upside there. Does Sabonis elevate Fox? Does Deaaron at least get back into the low 30s from 3 while taking more mid range shots? Can Mitchell continue the success he was having as a starter (whoops on tonights game)? Does PJ have untapped potential?

Plus, the proposed trade keeps our first rounders in the the fold.
 
hrdboild said:
I strongly suspect this was auto-correct at work but "Superman bird rights" needs to be an actual thing. Or maybe "Super Birdman rights" for the Michael Keaton (or Chris Anderson?) fans.

It could go something like this: If a player...

(A) Has played for or was raised in Indiana* and
(B) Has made exactly 2 All Star teams (no more, no less) and
(C) Is related to a former player whose entire NBA career started and ended in his 30s and
(D) Was recently traded for a universally well-liked budding star who just set a new career high in assists in his last game

Then he may be re-signed only by the team he was traded to and his salary will not count against the salary cap. It's only fair, really.


*(Bonus points if Jerry Reynolds has ever butchered your name on live television.)
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Guess you're not expecting Sabonis to make the all Star team next year either lol
 
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