Kings trade rumor SZN 2023-2024 edition!

[ShastaKingsFan]

Well, hopefully healthy Domas is there to pick up the slack. It's weird nobody wants to give Domas credit, but dude is 18.8 PPG on 62% TS so far this year. That's about as good as a #2 scoring option as you can get. And Keegan continues to develop. And Monk gets better and better as an on-ball initiator.

Here's the question though. Will he be able to produce well in a playoff series against a likely tough matchup for him, when he still doesn't look comfortable from the mid range? We will find out in the spring... and lets hope he does, but I wouldn't bet on it

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Nothing against Hunter, but he’s too small to be the guy that I’d want/target.

Jalen may very well be the prize for TOR but if a Barnes-Anunoby-Siakam frontcourt isn’t working out I’m not sure how a Barnes-Anunoby-Johnson is better (hence why I was wondering if TOR would prefer a different player/asset).

If Hunter is too small, then Finney Smith is also

 

[Padrino]

Here's the question though. Will he be able to produce well in a playoff series against a likely tough matchup for him, when he still doesn't look comfortable from the mid range? We will find out in the spring... and lets hope he does, but I wouldn't bet on it

This is such a strange hill to die on, that you bring it up so frequently. While the midrange can be a high percentage shot depending on who's taking it, it's a rare player indeed (like, say, De'Aaron Fox) that can squeeze enough juice from that particular lemon to make it worthwhile, particularly in the playoffs where efficiencies already shrink due to the intensity of the scouting and intensity of the play. If anything, I'd like to see Domas take a couple more three's per game, given that he's hitting at a 40% clip currently this season and looks quite comfortable taking them.

 

[Tetsujin]

Nothing against Hunter, but he’s too small to be the guy that I’d want/target.

Jalen may very well be the prize for TOR but if a Barnes-Anunoby-Siakam frontcourt isn’t working out I’m not sure how a Barnes-Anunoby-Johnson is better (hence why I was wondering if TOR would prefer a different player/asset).

Hunter’s roughly the same size as OG/Bridges/DFS/Patrick Williams/Whatever other wing we’re looking for.

 

[midtowner]

This is such a strange hill to die on, that you bring it up so frequently. While the midrange can be a high percentage shot depending on who's taking it, it's a rare player indeed (like, say, De'Aaron Fox) that can squeeze enough juice from that particular lemon to make it worthwhile, particularly in the playoffs where efficiencies already shrink due to the intensity of the scouting and intensity of the play. If anything, I'd like to see Domas take a couple more three's per game, given that he's hitting at a 40% clip currently this season and looks quite comfortable taking them.

I agree Domas needs to take more 3s. But midrange gets really important in the playoffs. See Butler, Jimmy.

 

[The_Jamal]

This is such a strange hill to die on, that you bring it up so frequently. While the midrange can be a high percentage shot depending on who's taking it, it's a rare player indeed (like, say, De'Aaron Fox) that can squeeze enough juice from that particular lemon to make it worthwhile, particularly in the playoffs where efficiencies already shrink due to the intensity of the scouting and intensity of the play. If anything, I'd like to see Domas take a couple more three's per game, given that he's hitting at a 40% clip currently this season and looks quite comfortable taking them.

I also think Domas was like 5th on the list of why we lost that series last year. First and second starting with Huerter and HB just being utterly unplayable. Huerter's only redemption was in game 6th of the 4th quarter where he hit a few clutch shots and played awesome defense.

 

[Tetsujin]

I agree Domas needs to take more 3s. But midrange gets really important in the playoffs. See Butler, Jimmy.

Sure but Sabonis midrange touches take away fron Fox midrange touches so I’m not sure why we’re planning for this.

 

[Padrino]

I agree Domas needs to take more 3s. But midrange gets really important in the playoffs. See Butler, Jimmy.

It's also why I pointed out Fox's existing skill in that area. Space shrinks in the playoffs. The Kings don't need Domas sliding too much into the spaces where Fox is more effective than most from the midrange.

 

[Padrino]

I also think Domas was like 5th on the list of why we lost that series last year. First and second starting with Huerter and HB just being utterly unplayable. Huerter's only redemption was in game 6th of the 4th quarter where he hit a few clutch shots and played awesome defense.

Yeah, and it seems like HB really continues to be the weakest link in the starting unit. He's just been so inconsistent. After that season opening explosion, he's been effective in only the shortest of spurts. I expect Keegan to find himself, and I can live with Huerter's streakiness, but I don't have any trust in Barnes to be what the Kings need him to be at this point.

 

[The_Jamal]

Sure but Sabonis midrange touches take away fron Fox midrange touches so I’m not sure why we’re planning for this.

But we're supposed to make a gameplan without Fox? Or if Fox is bad? Or something?

idk, it's just a silly premise to me. Fox is a bonafide top 10 player. Domas is top 20. Both guys are absolute offensive stars. You need shooting and defense around them to be successful. The defense is what's currently lacking. Seems like a pretty easy solution to where to allocate our trade resources.

 

[twslam07]

If Hunter is too small, then Finney Smith is also

Hunter’s roughly the same size as OG/Bridges/DFS/Patrick Williams/Whatever other wing we’re looking for.

Perhaps. Hunter was never officially measured so tough to be certain, but from watching him, I haven’t come away thinking he’s a PF. Perhaps I feel that way because he’d be a below average rebounder and rim protector as a PF.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Sure but Sabonis midrange touches take away fron Fox midrange touches so I’m not sure why we’re planning for this.

Because against the Warriors, before Fox got hurt, Sabonis had a bunch of mid range looks. If that is open he needs to take those and make a decent %

 

[iowamcnabb]

Patrick Williams seems like a good reclamation project. I’ve also always had a soft spot for Poku.

However, if Siakam goes to ATL, I’d be interested to see what it would take to make it a 3 team trade and steal Jalen Johnson from ATL? With Barnes and Anunoby on the roster, Johnson might not be an ideal target/fit for TOR.

id take Poku but I wonder if OKC would want Davion considering who they drafted last year.

Johnson would be great but I have to think he is the keeper for Atlanta. My guess is they try to unload the other guys.

 

[SacTownKid]

Well, hopefully healthy Domas is there to pick up the slack. It's weird nobody wants to give Domas credit, but dude is 18.8 PPG on 62% TS so far this year. That's about as good as a #2 scoring option as you can get. And Keegan continues to develop. And Monk gets better and better as an on-ball initiator.

It's just a silly premise in the first place, tbh. If Fox struggles, we lose. Same with every other good team in basketball; if Embiid is bad for a series they lose. If Jokic is bad, they lose. If Steph is bad, they lose. I also don't think we lose last year if Fox doesn't break his finger. Or if Domas is anywhere close to 75%, and not the 50% he probably was at after the finger/bruised sternum/black eye.

We just don't struggle to score. Pretty much ever. Like 115 points is a bad game for us. What we do massively struggle with is allowing teams to get crazy hot vs us and pop off for a huge game. We need defenders on this team where it's possible for us to win a game 115-110. Not us having to constantly drop 125+ to win.

Domas stepping up might happen, but after the playoffs I can see why Monte is looking where he is. The defense didn't fall off, it actually improved however that scoring got a lot tougher. And Embiid? Look at Philly the last few years. They had a superteam and threw it away and are probably regretting their decisions quite a bit at times. We know Embiid is on that cusp of wanting out from some reports. Jokic has Murray so that's two guys that can get you Fox level production. And scoring isn't just about that end either, we know, a more controlled offense leads to better defense a lot of the time and more importantly clock management which is a big part of it.

This whole thing likely depends on what the deal what would look like anyway. The likely pieces are players that many fans are seemingly willing to throw away. The picks? Eh, send 'em if that's what it takes. 1 for Huerter is probably 2 for Siakam. None of the deals we are hearing as of yet have ANY negative effect on someone like Domas, so why not try? Well, Monte is for sure.

 

[SacTownKid]

I also think Domas was like 5th on the list of why we lost that series last year. First and second starting with Huerter and HB just being utterly unplayable. Huerter's only redemption was in game 6th of the 4th quarter where he hit a few clutch shots and played awesome defense.

Let Domas be Domas, don't say hey Domas, we need 25 a night. Maybe it will happen but that little kick more towards scoring is an augmentation to his game which is a bigger gamble than buying low on talent.

 

[The_Jamal]

Let Domas be Domas, don't say hey Domas, we need 25 a night. Maybe it will happen but that little kick more towards scoring is an augmentation to his game which is a bigger gamble than buying low on talent.

But why do you need the scoring?

If Fox is 30
Domas is 20
Monk is 15

Then you just need the shooters to actually do their job and hit shots. The role guys utterly failed that in the playoffs last year. And with our 2 stars banged up, we needed them to not just be passable, but excellent for us to win. Outside of Monk and a few Keegan games, we just didn't get that production at all.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Let Domas be Domas, don't say hey Domas, we need 25 a night. Maybe it will happen but that little kick more towards scoring is an augmentation to his game which is a bigger gamble than buying low on talent.

I'd be telling him right now or a few weeks ago, that he needs to be working on his mid range shot and taking them in games. Because it might be the difference between becoming a contender vs not really being a threat for a deep run

 

[SacTownKid]

But why do you need the scoring?

If Fox is 30
Domas is 20
Monk is 15

Then you just need the shooters to actually do their job and hit shots. The role guys utterly failed that in the playoffs last year. And with our 2 stars banged up, we needed them to not just be passable, but excellent for us to win. Outside of Monk and a few Keegan games, we just didn't get that production at all.

Because of what we saw in the playoffs. It's the type of scoring not just points. We know the playoffs get grimy at times and those who feed themselves eat. Again, we're not hearing deals here that are going to change any of what those 3 guys do, however, it will potentially take a lot of pressure off that guy at the top and probably the guy under him. Monk stepped up for sure but lets look at the numbers, for the explosive games he had he had equally implosive ones. He put up 40% from 2 and 33% from 3. Under his capabilities for sure but that's what happened there. It might never happen again, but Monte looking at deals to add the types of names we're hearing makes total sense from what those playoffs showed even if it was a one time thing. Ride on that, end up wrong, and good luck buying low or even at all. If a trade goes down and it's not up to par you're basically the same team you were with maybe a few less picks and depth.

 

[SacTownKid]

I'd be telling him right now or a few weeks ago, that he needs to be working on his mid range shot and taking them in games. Because it might be the difference between becoming a contender vs not really being a threat for a deep run

I'm sure he understands that but this is an all star that's been around for awhile. Sure, he might develop a little, but if you force it and it doesn't work you can mess things up even worse. Simple answer to me is what it sounds like Monte is looking at. Get him another person he can dish to and play with that can pick up some of that pressure.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I'm sure he understands that but this is an all star that's been around for awhile. Sure, he might develop a little, but if you force it and it doesn't work you can mess things up even worse. Simple answer to me is what it sounds like Monte is looking at. Get him another person he can dish to and play with that can pick up some of that pressure.

If he's not capable of shooting decent from mid range and or further out, along with struggling at the line. That's going to make things really tough

 

[iowamcnabb]

This whole thing likely depends on what the deal what would look like anyway. The likely pieces are players that many fans are seemingly willing to throw away. The picks? Eh, send 'em if that's what it takes. 1 for Huerter is probably 2 for Siakam. None of the deals we are hearing as of yet have ANY negative effect on someone like Domas, so why not try? Well, Monte is for sure.

there are a couple downsides to Lavine.

1) we need to send out 30 mil in salary. That means both Huerter and Barnes or either of them plus most of our depth (Sasha or Lyles and Duarte and maybe Kessler). It’s one of the downsides of not having that Holmes contract laying around. I don’t think the bulls are going to take back 4 guys in a trade.

2) if it doesn’t work out or he gets hurt again we have him for 3 years at more than 40 a year. If you are not sending any picks and it’s a salary dump Monte might talk himself into the risk.

Fox Colby
Lavine Monk
Keegan Edwards
Lyles Sasha
Domas Javale Len

he would have to be pretty confident in Lavine to pull the trigger

 

[Section 101]

there are a couple downsides to Lavine.

1) we need to send out 30 mil in salary. That means both Huerter and Barnes or either of them plus most of our depth (Sasha or Lyles and Duarte and maybe Kessler). It’s one of the downsides of not having that Holmes contract laying around. I don’t think the bulls are going to take back 4 guys in a trade.

2) if it doesn’t work out or he gets hurt again we have him for 3 years at more than 40 a year. If you are not sending any picks and it’s a salary dump Monte might talk himself into the risk.

Fox Colby
Lavine Monk
Keegan Edwards
Lyles Sasha
Domas Javale Len

he would have to be pretty confident in Lavine to pull the trigger

Ya Levine's salary is a non starter as I mentioned in another thread. Same with Siakam.

 

[SacTownKid]

there are a couple downsides to Lavine.

1) we need to send out 30 mil in salary. That means both Huerter and Barnes or either of them plus most of our depth (Sasha or Lyles and Duarte and maybe Kessler). It’s one of the downsides of not having that Holmes contract laying around. I don’t think the bulls are going to take back 4 guys in a trade.

2) if it doesn’t work out or he gets hurt again we have him for 3 years at more than 40 a year. If you are not sending any picks and it’s a salary dump Monte might talk himself into the risk.

Fox Colby
Lavine Monk
Keegan Edwards
Lyles Sasha
Domas Javale Len

he would have to be pretty confident in Lavine to pull the trigger

The positive is if you have created a core of 4 guys that can basically account for all of your offense, you can band-aid those role spots. Monte knew what he was doing with his cap. There's a lot of ways for him to make salaries work. There are apparently 3 players that ain't moving, and I'd think Monk is probably close to that list as well but that would largely depend on whether Monte is in fear of overpaying this summer.

One would assume that LaVine would require very little draft capital with that contract as you bring up, not to mention the situation brewing in Chicago. Unfortunately OG and Siakam are a totally different story if last summer was any indication and still stands. What we do know is that Monte had a deal for Beal. That's about as much as the buy low variety as you can get. I think Monte will continue on that path if OG and Siakam aren't possible. Maybe not though who knows. Since that first blurb about the Kings and LaVine it's been quiet.

 

[twslam07]

Perhaps. Hunter was never officially measured so tough to be certain, but from watching him, I haven’t come away thinking he’s a PF. Perhaps I feel that way because he’d be a below average rebounder and rim protector as a PF.

Watching this game today, Finney-Smith just looks bigger/longer to me than a guy like Hunter (and Murray). Maybe it’s just my biased eyes playing tricks on me…

Speaking of Finney-Smith, not only is he a good individual defender but his rotations, help defense, and paint protection have been impressive tonight as well. That’s an important attribute for our PF to have with Sabonis at C.

 

[ick300]

Is it just me or Bulls are playing much better since Lavine got injured ….

 

[jiimbob]

Is it just me or Bulls are playing much better since Lavine got injured ….

Sure seems to be the case. Not exactly helping his trade value for the Bulls.

 

[ick300]

Sure seems to be the case. Not exactly helping his trade value for the Bulls.

soon Bulls are going to offer him plus draft plus money

 

[jiimbob]

soon Bulls are going to offer him plus draft plus money

Or maybe throw in Caruso
I had always liked LaVine but now also questioning more than just his fat contract. However, his recent absence sure is making DeRozan look appealing.

 

[ick300]

Or maybe throw in Caruso
I had always liked LaVine but now also questioning more than just his fat contract. However, his recent absence sure is making DeRozan look appealing.

I still think at this point Kings doesn’t need new players ….
Even if they don’t reach semis or final as we all wish I am sure they will win a round this year and will be able to make stronger case next year , offering a spot in title contender , not just most probably play off spot

 

[Jc121]

I would not consider trading monk, Sabonis, Fox or Murray. would prefer to keep red velvet but I would like to think by the time the new year rolls around and some teams are attempting to blow up their rosters Monte will go shopping as we cannot stay pat for the stretch run and playoffs.
We need another starter that is a game changer and doesn’t disappear for way to many games.