Kings trade rumor SZN 2023-2024 edition!

[ick300]

I’m sorry…you think Vezenkov could average 30.9-32.9 PPG with a TS% of .755-.804???

I didn’t realize we have the best player to ever play the game of basketball coming off our bench. Lucky us!

And the player with those stats you describe is Kuzma !?
He is under 18 points av per game (last 6 years) with over 30 min per game and less then 44% per game …. Well yes I think Vezenkov can be much more effective with such kind of minutes per game ….
and yes I think we have one of the best player game have ever seen and he is starting every night with number 5 on his back ….

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

In the 5 games that the Kings have lost this season with Fox in the lineup they've given up an average of 125.2 points to the winning team. Scoring is not the issue. And all I'm talking about when I call Vezenkov a scorer is around 12-14 points per game. That's 5 made baskets and a couple free throws which is not unreasonable for a "spot shooter".

Huerter and Murray bouncing back to 40% three point shooting and a small uptick in volume for Vezenkov already puts us near Indiana's record-setting pace in scoring output. There is no room left in this lineup for someone else to get another 10+ shots which is the bare minimum you would have to give to somebody like Kyle Kuzma, Jerami Grant, or DeMar DeRozan to justify their existence. These guys are averaging 16-19 shots per game on their current teams. All that would accomplish is taking the ball out of the hands of our two All-Stars.

I'm just not as excited about Sabonis being a reliable playoff scorer, despite the awards. Mainly because of a lack of confidence in a mid range shot

 

[twslam07]

And the player with those stats you describe is Kuzma !?
He is under 18 points av per game (last 6 years) with over 30 min per game and less then 44% per game …. Well yes I think Vezenkov can be much more effective with such kind of minutes per game ….
and yes I think we have one of the best player game have ever seen and he is starting every night with number 5 on his back ….

You’re shifting goalposts now, and understandably so considering how crazy your original statement was.

Kuzma is averaging 22.9 PPG while taking 19.0 FGA and 3.3 FTA per game. That equates to a .559 TS%. You said…

if you give Vezenkov the number of shots Kuzma has he will shot 8/10 more points then Kyle

…that means you think Vezenkov would average 30.9-32.9 PPG while taking 19.0 FGA and 3.3 FTA per game. That equates to a .755-.804 TS%.

For reference, Curry is one of the most efficient scorers this league has ever seen. He’s averaging 29 PPG with a .67 TS%. These numbers you’re predicting from Vezenkov puts him in another tier or two above Curry.

So no I don’t think Vezenkov would average 8-10 more points than Kuzma if he had the same amount of shots.

 

[ick300]

You’re shifting goalposts now, and understandably so considering how crazy your original statement was.

Kuzma is averaging 22.9 PPG while taking 19.0 FGA and 3.3 FTA per game. That equates to a .559 TS%. You said…



…that means you think Vezenkov would average 30.9-32.9 PPG while taking 19.0 FGA and 3.3 FTA per game. That equates to a .755-.804 TS%.

For reference, Curry is one of the most efficient scorers this league has ever seen. He’s averaging 29 PPG with a .67 TS%. These numbers you’re predicting from Vezenkov puts him in another tier or two above Curry.

So no I don’t think Vezenkov would average 8-10 more points than Kuzma if he had the same amount of shots.

mate e meant 8 out of 10 times , not 8/10 times more …
My point is just that Vezenkov can be equal to Kuzma with equal role and minutes and looking to trade Kuzma who is high salary and give up at least two players and draft is pointless, when you have in roster not worst players then him …
That was all I tried to say

 

[twslam07]

mate e meant 8 out of 10 times , not 8/10 times more …
My point is just that Vezenkov can be equal to Kuzma with equal role and minutes and looking to trade Kuzma who is high salary and give up at least two players and draft is pointless, when you have in roster not worst players then him …
That was all I tried to say

So you’re saying he’d be less efficient than Kuzma?

 

[ick300]

I think , of course just my opinion , Vezenkov will be more efficient and better team player for Kings then Kuzma , if they both get equal part in the team , yes definitely!

 

[ick300]

And I would love to continue this discussion all season long
Cause I am sure Vezenkov will get only better , while Kuzma …. Well he is already proven name , right ?

 

[twslam07]

I think , of course just my opinion , Vezenkov will be more efficient and better team player for Kings then Kuzma , if they both get equal part in the team , yes definitely!

I’m having a really hard time tracking the “8/10” point you’re trying to make.

It initially came across as if you thought Vezenkov would score 8-10 more points than Kuzma if he had the same amount of shots. And then your 2nd explanation made it sound like he’d score 8 out of 10 the amount of points Kuzma would (so Vezenkov would have 80% of the points Kuzma has making him less efficient than Kuzma). And then your 3rd attempt claims that you think Vezenkov would be more efficient given the same volume as Kuzma.

 

[Kingz19]

I’ve liked Isaiah Stewart for awhile. He has unique potential as somebody strong, quick and long enough enough to take on a wide variety of matchups defensively.

Not shy from three. In fact, as of now his three ball percentage and attempts per game actually is only slightly under what HB does and HB still does that well. So it’s not like we would be acquiring him and stashing him on the bench hoping he doesn’t clog the paint. He can be played with Domas.

That is on a completely desultory offense like the Pistons as well. I think a defined role would do wonders for him. It’s a battle royale for bigs in Detroit. Plus, he is already signed to what will turn out to be a good contract.

Im not sure what it will take to land him or if he is even available since Bagley still hasn’t improved and Wiseman hasn’t thrived. I thought he would become more obviously expendable by now but now I’m not sure. Plus, I’m not sure Detroit would be that interested in Davion since they have a lot of guard prospects as well..but he’s a guy I like now and long term.

Other guy I like is PJ Washington.

Patrick Williams I like as a prospect.

Not really interested in guys like Finney Smith. Especially not Kuzma.

 

[206Fan]

I wasn’t a fan of Kuzma in the off-season. Didn’t like the idea of him encroaching on Murray’s offensive development and have always pegged him as a bit of an inefficient chucker. But dare I say I’m a bit surprised by his efficiency this year? And not only has his efficiency improved, but he’s doing it on a much higher usage.

The guy is averaging (per36):

.310 USG%
.562 TS%
.472 FG%
.529 2P%
.359 3P%
.824 FT%
22.0 FGA
14.6 2PA
7.3 3PA
3.9 FTA
26.6 PPG
6.8 RPG
5.4 APG
0.3 SPG
0.7 BPG
2.8 TOPG
2.4 FPG

…and then you combine that with his size/length…

• Height w/o Shoes = 6’8” (Barnes is 6’7”)
• Wingspan = 7’0.25” (Barnes is 6’11.25”)
• Standing Reach = 8’11.5” (Barnes is 8’6”)

…and he’s an interesting target.

From a defensive standpoint, he’s obviously got the size & length we’d be looking for at PF, and I think he’s been a bit underrated defensively. Plus he moves really well for his size with a 10.72 sec lane agility and a 2.98 sec shuttle run. OMP (shoutout to @sactowndog ) had a 10.59 sec lane agility and a 3.00 sec shuttle run but Kuzma is 1.25” taller and has a 3.5” longer standing reach. He’d also be an upgrade on the glass considering he averages over 7 rebounds (per36) for his career.

From a contractual standpoint, he’s locked up for 4 years so you don’t have to worry about him playing a season and leaving in FA (like Siakam and Anunoby could do) and his contract decreases each year. Knowing how much the cap is projected to increase, I could easily see his deal look pretty attractive a couple years down the road (he’ll be making only $19.4 mil during the 2026-27 season).

As someone who didn't want anything to do with Kuzma previously, I think we should try to pursue him. All that matters to me is that he's BETTER than Barnes. We need a desperate upgrade at the 4 spot. HB has been bad. He can no longer hold his own. Keegan was supposed to take a big leap this year, but we still have no one who can defend big wings or PFs. It's one of the most glaring weaknesses on our roster amongst many

 

[ick300]

I’m having a really hard time tracking the “8/10” point you’re trying to make.

It initially came across as if you thought Vezenkov would score 8-10 more points than Kuzma if he had the same amount of shots. And then your 2nd explanation made it sound like he’d score 8 out of 10 the amount of points Kuzma would (so Vezenkov would have 80% of the points Kuzma has making him less efficient than Kuzma). And then your 3rd attempt claims that you think Vezenkov would be more efficient given the same volume as Kuzma.

Mate all I was saying during the whole time is that in 8 out of 10 times per equal minutes Vezenkov will be better for us then Kuzma ….
About efficiency so far his freshman 20 games Vezenkov is averaging 44.4% shooting , 38.6 from the 3, while in his BEST season so far (7th in his career) Kuzma is 47.3 with 35.6 from 3 with 2.5 times more minutes per game…
But hey , as I said we both want one an the same thing - Kings to win as many as possible and make a good run in the playoffs this year , why not till the end…
So let’s GO KINGS and we leave the players show who is right and who is wrong

 

[SacTownKid]

As someone who didn't want anything to do with Kuzma previously, I think we should try to pursue him. All that matters to me is that he's BETTER than Barnes. We need a desperate upgrade at the 4 spot. HB has been bad. He can no longer hold his own. Keegan was supposed to take a big leap this year, but we still have no one who can defend big wings or PFs. It's one of the most glaring weaknesses on our roster amongst many

You have to be very careful when looking at plain productivity. Kuz is productive on a super high USG%, the issue with him is that his iso stats are pretty terrible with a FG% in the high 20's and an EFG% in the low 30's. The Kings need someone that can create offense so Fox doesn't have to literally do everything. Monk is able but he's also historically a bit on the low side for a true 2nd option when it comes to his EFG% in isolation.

 

[The_Jamal]

The Kings should not be spending their resources on an offensive star that'd just muddy up the offensive system. Their assets should be going to improving the defense and infusing this core with actual elite defense. Like, could you flip HB/Davion/picks and get Caruso/DFS? Obvious pipe-dream to get both, but the Kings get substantially better if:

Fox || Caruso
Huerter || Monk
Keegan
DFS || Sasha
Sabonis || Lyles

That would be your 9-man rotation. And you move Keegan/DFS/Huerter around to fit everyone with strong minute roles.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Is Finney Smith really a 4? Never looked like it

 

[twslam07]

Is Finney Smith really a 4? Never looked like it

He’s actually been playing a fair amount of small ball 5 this year.

 

[iowamcnabb]

He’s actually been playing a fair amount of small ball 5 this year.

Which is a bit strange considering he is about the same size and length as Barnes. That said, Okc has been imploring a very very small ball lineup when Chet is out and it’s one of the reasons they have had such a good start

 

[upinsmoke]

You have to be very careful when looking at plain productivity. Kuz is productive on a super high USG%, the issue with him is that his iso stats are pretty terrible with a FG% in the high 20's and an EFG% in the low 30's. The Kings need someone that can create offense so Fox doesn't have to literally do everything. Monk is able but he's also historically a bit on the low side for a true 2nd option when it comes to his EFG% in isolation.

I think your describing DeRozan.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

He’s actually been playing a fair amount of small ball 5 this year.

He looks smaller than Barnes and like a small forward, if not in length, but in weight

 

[iowamcnabb]

Shams had some interesting thing to say in the latest article:

Kings Pacers and Hawks expected to pursue Siakam. Hawks had intense talks with Toronto this offseason. Pacers and Kings have checked in (we knew that) the belief is that Siakam is more likely to be traded. In other words don’t hold out hope for OG. Matching that 37 mil salary of Pascal isn’t easy though.

Chicago is hanging up the phone when teams call about Caruso. They are 4-0 without Lavine. This next part is me speculating, but it looks like they will take what they can get for Lavine and hope to finish strong this year and hope and pray Lonzo comes back next season.

Pj Tucker isn’t happy with his role in LA. Is he washed at this point? Haven’t really seen him this year

 

[iowamcnabb]

let’s assume for a minute that OG isn’t traded. Siakam lands in Atlanta. That is my official prediction. Atlanta has been stuck in neutral for 2+ years and have too many pieces. Consolidating some of those forwards into an all star type makes sense and Toronto ends up with a couple of young pieces. Caruso is off the table, Derozan stays or goes to Miami. Is there any reclamation project we can take on for Davion and maybe Duarte? We can bring back around 16 mil in salary if we trade both

 

[Joshoua]

OG is an unrestricted FA after next year he’s not an option

 

[twslam07]

let’s assume for a minute that OG isn’t traded. Siakam lands in Atlanta. That is my official prediction. Atlanta has been stuck in neutral for 2+ years and have too many pieces. Consolidating some of those forwards into an all star type makes sense and Toronto ends up with a couple of young pieces. Caruso is off the table, Derozan stays or goes to Miami. Is there any reclamation project we can take on for Davion and maybe Duarte? We can bring back around 16 mil in salary if we trade both

Patrick Williams seems like a good reclamation project. I’ve also always had a soft spot for Poku.

However, if Siakam goes to ATL, I’d be interested to see what it would take to make it a 3 team trade and steal Jalen Johnson from ATL? With Barnes and Anunoby on the roster, Johnson might not be an ideal target/fit for TOR.

 

[Tetsujin]

Patrick Williams seems like a good reclamation project.

However, if Siakam goes to ATL, I’d be interested to see what it would take to make it a 3 team trade and steal Jalen Johnson from ATL? With Barnes and Anunoby on the roster, Johnson might not be an ideal target/fit for TOR.

Jalen probably would be Toronto's main target but we might be able to finagle Deandre Hunter out of the deal

 

[SacTownKid]

I think your describing DeRozan.

DDR has slipped a bit for sure.

 

[SacTownKid]

The Kings should not be spending their resources on an offensive star that'd just muddy up the offensive system. Their assets should be going to improving the defense and infusing this core with actual elite defense. Like, could you flip HB/Davion/picks and get Caruso/DFS? Obvious pipe-dream to get both, but the Kings get substantially better if:

Fox || Caruso
Huerter || Monk
Keegan
DFS || Sasha
Sabonis || Lyles

That would be your 9-man rotation. And you move Keegan/DFS/Huerter around to fit everyone with strong minute roles.

What happens to that squad when Fox struggles? Who knows if the playoffs repeat but we all saw what happened, Fox and Monk wasn't enough. The thing about adding that next star is you can theoretically stick a role guy next to Keegan. Your playoff production should hopefully be handled.

 

[SacTownKid]

Jalen probably would be Toronto's main target but we might be able to finagle Deandre Hunter out of the deal

Hunter is more of a gamble because who knows if he's topped out but him being on Monte's radar should definitely be a thing. I also wouldn't mind seeing Monte kick the tires on Bey again as a fallback why not option.

 

[SacTownKid]

Shams had some interesting thing to say in the latest article:

Kings Pacers and Hawks expected to pursue Siakam. Hawks had intense talks with Toronto this offseason. Pacers and Kings have checked in (we knew that) the belief is that Siakam is more likely to be traded. In other words don’t hold out hope for OG. Matching that 37 mil salary of Pascal isn’t easy though.

Chicago is hanging up the phone when teams call about Caruso. They are 4-0 without Lavine. This next part is me speculating, but it looks like they will take what they can get for Lavine and hope to finish strong this year and hope and pray Lonzo comes back next season.

Pj Tucker isn’t happy with his role in LA. Is he washed at this point? Haven’t really seen him this year

This is all shaping up for LaVine to be had on a gettable deal. I wouldn't mind it at all. If you put LaVine, Fox, and Monk in your backcourt you're set. Overpay Monk in the summer and start working down that depth into the top of your rotation. Then go after a 3 and D guy to put next to Keegan. Maybe someone like Tucker if he can still go or Thybulle.

 

[The_Jamal]

What happens to that squad when Fox struggles? Who knows if the playoffs repeat but we all saw what happened, Fox and Monk wasn't enough. The thing about adding that next star is you can theoretically stick a role guy next to Keegan. Your playoff production should hopefully be handled.

Well, hopefully healthy Domas is there to pick up the slack. It's weird nobody wants to give Domas credit, but dude is 18.8 PPG on 62% TS so far this year. That's about as good as a #2 scoring option as you can get. And Keegan continues to develop. And Monk gets better and better as an on-ball initiator.

It's just a silly premise in the first place, tbh. If Fox struggles, we lose. Same with every other good team in basketball; if Embiid is bad for a series they lose. If Jokic is bad, they lose. If Steph is bad, they lose. I also don't think we lose last year if Fox doesn't break his finger. Or if Domas is anywhere close to 75%, and not the 50% he probably was at after the finger/bruised sternum/black eye.

We just don't struggle to score. Pretty much ever. Like 115 points is a bad game for us. What we do massively struggle with is allowing teams to get crazy hot vs us and pop off for a huge game. We need defenders on this team where it's possible for us to win a game 115-110. Not us having to constantly drop 125+ to win.

 

[Padrino]

Well, hopefully healthy Domas is there to pick up the slack. It's weird nobody wants to give Domas credit, but dude is 18.8 PPG on 62% TS so far this year. That's about as good as a #2 scoring option as you can get. And Keegan continues to develop. And Monk gets better and better as an on-ball initiator.

It's just a silly premise in the first place, tbh. If Fox struggles, we lose. Same with every other good team in basketball; if Embiid is bad for a series they lose. If Jokic is bad, they lose. If Steph is bad, they lose. I also don't think we lose last year if Fox doesn't break his finger. Or if Domas is anywhere close to 75%, and not the 50% he probably was at after the finger/bruised sternum/black eye.

We just don't struggle to score. Pretty much ever. Like 115 points is a bad game for us. What we do massively struggle with is allowing teams to get crazy hot vs us and pop off for a huge game. We need defenders on this team where it's possible for us to win a game 115-110. Not us having to constantly drop 125+ to win.

18.8 PPG on 62% TS... to go along with 12 RPG and 7 APG!! All-NBA bigs like that simply do not come around often in this league. Strangely, it's only his second full season with the Kings and the fans are already taking for granted the tremendous consistency of his excellence. That he's not Nikola Jokic or Joel Embiid should be no black mark against him.

 

[twslam07]

Jalen probably would be Toronto's main target but we might be able to finagle Deandre Hunter out of the deal

Nothing against Hunter, but he’s too small to be the guy that I’d want/target.

Jalen may very well be the prize for TOR but if a Barnes-Anunoby-Siakam frontcourt isn’t working out I’m not sure how a Barnes-Anunoby-Johnson is better (hence why I was wondering if TOR would prefer a different player/asset).