Kings still need help at the 5. Here is....

CruzDude

CruzDude

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In the South Florida Sun-Sentinel today, "For all the heartache P.J.Brown has endured in recent months, the Hornets center deserves more. ......... deserves one to a contender. He makes any team better."

I agree. Miller and change straight up???
 
I'm not huge into Miller, but PJ Brown is older than the NBA itself. Miller isn't even 30 (correct me if I'm wrong).

You can get a LOT more for Miller.
 
are you kidding me? Miller is the last person the kings i would trade, and especially not for a guy 1-2 years away from retiring. Sure, PJ Brown plays veyr well for his age, but theres no way he can replace a Brad Miller who is the only consistent play maker and mid-range shooter on the whole Kings team. Plus, there's a 7 year age difference.

But, like said above, PJ Brown would be a nice backup...how about KT for PJ? Sounds good to me.
 
tradepeja said:
But, like said above, PJ Brown would be a nice backup...how about KT for PJ? Sounds good to me.
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That's more like it.
 
Like Brick proposed, KT/Corliss (or another piece or two) for Pee Jay.

Along with one of their swingmen (Butler?).

Miller/SAR/Brown/Skinner/Sampson. I like it.

Hornets still have Chris Andersen/West/Lampe/Vroman/Bass/KT/Corliss.
 
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Good Lord.
If we're going to get PJ Brown, it can't be in exchange for Brad Miller. It has to be done to move Brad over to power forward, where he had his best season.
 
Kev.in said:
Good Lord.
If we're going to get PJ Brown, it can't be in exchange for Brad Miller. It has to be done to move Brad over to power forward, where he had his best season.
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Agreed. You don't trade Brad Miller to get PJ (who's 36). You try, at least, to trade the spare part syou have (and we have a lot) to get PJ and create a real frontcourt rotation.
 
No way in hell. PJ may be good as a starter with Brad at PF, but that means either SAR Bonzi or Peja is gone, and Brown is probably the least value we could get for those guys. I only like this if it is parter of a larger trade- ie trade 2 or 3 of our guys for PJ + one elite player from somewhere else. No way we can get return on our money for Brown as a starter. Maybe trading Thomas, but tehn we have Skinner and Brown playing the same role, and Skinner for Brown stragiht up won't be done. And- Brown has maybe one season left in him, if that.
 
captain bill said:
No way in hell. PJ may be good as a starter with Brad at PF, but that means either SAR Bonzi or Peja is gone, and Brown is probably the least value we could get for those guys. I only like this if it is parter of a larger trade- ie trade 2 or 3 of our guys for PJ + one elite player from somewhere else. No way we can get return on our money for Brown as a starter. Maybe trading Thomas, but tehn we have Skinner and Brown playing the same role, and Skinner for Brown stragiht up won't be done. And- Brown has maybe one season left in him, if that.
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PJs playing like he's got a lot more than 1 season left in him. But not long as a starter I wouldn;t think.

Besides which, my own proposal is to get him to be the third big behind Brar and Reef and come off the bench. Nice solid 3 man rotation up front with Skinner filling in any extra minutes.
 
Bricklayer said:
PJs playing like he's got a lot more than 1 season left in him. But not long as a starter I wouldn;t think.

Besides which, my own proposal is to get him to be the third big behind Brar and Reef and come off the bench. Nice solid 3 man rotation up front with Skinner filling in any extra minutes.
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That would be ideal. It would give us some much needed toughness off the bench and some interior toughness on top of that. Bringing PJ off the bench might prolong his effectiveness a bit. He has 2 years to run on his current deal and I think he could be brough off the bench and still be an influence player for those 2 years.

He would be just about perfect for us but how the hell do we get him. NO aren't about to take on Kenny's deal. Especially since they are rebuilding.
 
If we could somehow get P.J. and Mason (who we apparently targeted this summer) for the rest of our bench, I'd be excited. Ship KT/Corliss/plus either Martin or Garcia, and you can finally get a more Adelman-favorable 8-man rotation (since he's said recently he may go away from playing 5 benchies at once as it hasn't been working.

Miller/Brown
Reef/Brown
Peja/Mason
Bonzi/Mason
Bibby/Hart

With: Hart, Mason, and Brown off the bench in the traditional Bobby, Hedo, and Pollard roles, would be solid. We'd still be soft in the frontcourt, but if Brown could get 25+ minutes behind both Reef and Brad, that would be enough to at least make somewhat of a difference.

The question is, what's in it for NO, especially since Mason is really all they have to show for Magloire?
 
^ I'd love that too. Both are G-F, so can back-up either Bonzi/Peja, and also gives us really good and much better depth at SG/SF than we have right now. Also would still have bigs depth.

Bibby/Hart/Price
Bonzi/Butler/Martin
Peja/Mason/Garcia
SAR/Brown/Sampson
Miller/Brown/Sampson
 
tradepeja said:
how about: http://realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=2640976

KT, Corliss and Skinner for PJ, Mason, and Butler

only problem is, we go from PF stacked to swingman stacked...but the money doesn't match up any other way
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And why would the Hornets do this exactly?

It's pretty easy to see why the Kings would do any number of trades. That's not the problem. The problem right now is in getting the other guys to even answer Petrie's phone calls, let alone agree to a trade...
 
tradepeja said:
KT, Corliss and Skinner for PJ, Mason, and Butler

only problem is, we go from PF stacked to swingman stacked...but the money doesn't match up any other way
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Ummm... let's come back to reality on this one.

New Orleans gains NOTHING from doing this. Plus, the time to retrade Mason has passed and now he is under trade restrictions isn't he?
 
Skinner, Corliss and K. Mart for Brown and Rasual Butler works -- Real GM trade number 2641326 -- works under the cap.

The problem with any of these scenarios is that we're trying to give up multiple backup players for a starter. True, P.J. would be the ideal third big man for the Kings, but he's the Hornets' best big man, and they're not going to give him up cheaply. As the season goes on, his value to contending teams looking to shore up their bench or replace an injured player probably will go up.

If the Kings were to truly see PJ as the guy they want, they might have to throw in a first-round pick to get it done. The Hornets no doubt would want that to be an unprotected pick, and then the Kings' brass would have to weigh how confident they are about making the playoffs. I'd think their chances would improve dramatically with the addition of someone like Brown, and it's supposed to be a weak draft year, so you'd have to give that scenario serious consideration.
 
If things get desperate with Pedja, I'd say we go with a trade that involves him, KT, Jamal Sampson. In return for Brown and Mason and Vroman.


That would give us a solid frontcourt rotation of Miller Brown and Skinner for the power positions. We'd have Shareef and MAson at the 3.

Bibby/HArt
Bonzi/MAson
Shareef/Mason
Miller/Shareef/Skinner
PJ BRown/Skinner

Hornets get a legitimate outside threat in Pedja, A solid vet in KT, and a backup 4-5 in Sampson for losing Brown.

plus this leaves us some really good trade potential for next year in trying for Bricklayers crazy stupid KG trade.
 
We cant trade Brad for P.J but KT and/or Corliss would be nice because KT ain't doing anythin on the bench, maybe he can be a starter in the Hornets and play like he did in Philly a couple of seasons ago
 
I'd rather see the Kings make a run at Kurt Thomas, since he hasn't fit in with the Suns at all and isn't going to. Kenny Thomas has a very similar salary and would fit the fast tempo game of the Suns much better.
 
DirkAB said:
I'd rather see the Kings make a run at Kurt Thomas, since he hasn't fit in with the Suns at all and isn't going to. Kenny Thomas has a very similar salary and would fit the fast tempo game of the Suns much better.
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That may be true and is actually an interesting idea, and Kurt has always been a guy who might fit well here. But I don't think the Suns could afford to trade away their only playable "big" and go with a 6'7"/6'7" starting frontline of KT and Marion, no matter how good they board for little guys. Would be amusing. At least if you're not a Suns fan. ;)
 
Bricklayer said:
That may be true and is actually an interesting idea, and Kurt has always been a guy who might fit well here. But I don't think the Suns could afford to trade away their only playable "big" and go with a 6'7"/6'7" starting frontline of KT and Marion, no matter how good they board for little guys. Would be amusing. At least if you're not a Suns fan. ;)
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Your right, but just for fun I ran a few scenarios with the RealGM trade checker. I came up with a trade that would work out numbers wise, what do you think?

Peja and Skinner

for

Kurt Thomas, James Jones, and Boris Diaw

I don't think that the Suns would go for it, but I wouldn't mind seeing it go down. I think the Suns might have high hopes for Diaw and Jones, and they would never risk trading for Peja when he could just leave next year. Who knows maybe he could sign an extension before a trade. I'm usually not a trade scenario type of guy, but there must be a full moon out tonight.
 
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