Kings sign Carl Landry

[VF21]

You're missing my point. My response was regarding personal attacks towards posters, which are coming more from the defend the moves crowd.

Of course, as soon as I say that the gates open.

Either way, lets all try to be civil to each other

EXACTLY!

Guys, how long has it been since we've been passionate about this team? Let's be honest. Most of us pretty much tuned out years ago. Sure, we still cheered and we still loved the team but it was like loving a shell of what used to be...like your first car, sitting in the garage without tags because it doesn't run and never will again but you love it too much to get rid of it.

Our team was a frickin' train wreck. We talked about it all season. We had pieces that didn't fit. Players who didn't know their roles or didn't care. Guys who wouldn't see playing time on probably 28 of the 30 teams in the league rotated in and out of our starting lineup.

My first reaction was Carl Landry?!?!?!? But, after taking a deep breath, I remembered something. Landry is a good guy, a hard worker and a veteran presence. I think he's the kind of player who will fit in with the new vision of the team.

I'm getting a feeling more and more that our moves so far are setting the foundation to make Sacramento a more desirable location, a play to come that isn't mired in team chaos.

Vivek said they were going to shake things up. I commend him because he's certainly done that. Oddly enough, I'm smiling right now because I just realized that I'm firmly convinced there are gonna be GOOD things happening.

GO KINGS!

 

[Double-K]

At any rate, somebody above (whether rightly or wrongly) was of the opinion that you might be ramping up to put forward the "ungrateful" argument on your radio show next week. I hope you don't. I hope you recognize that it's not a reasonable representation of the feelings of those who aren't happy with the moves.

 

[rainmaker]

At any rate, somebody above (whether rightly or wrongly) was of the opinion that you might be ramping up to put forward the "ungrateful" argument on your radio show next week. I hope you don't. I hope you recognize that it's not a reasonable representation of the feelings of those who aren't happy with the moves.

I said that, due to this tweet.

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 52m
I wish I had a microphone and a large captive audience on Monday to talk about some Kings fans pissing me off.*

*Oh Wait


So we'll see, but it sounds like half the fanbase who disagrees with these moves is about to get slammed for not being grateful enough, which of course is a different topic in itself from basketball operations and personnel decisions.


Dave, we're only on here discussing all this and debating these moves because we do care, because we are fans and many of us were here posting during the train wreck which was the last half decade and watching each and every game. I personally didn't turn off a single game early nor leave a single game early. Die hard through and through, as are many who disagree with these moves thus far. I don't think us fans who've been here all along and never left no matter what are the issue.

 

[carmichaeldave]

Since there are apparently a lot of rules about debate I'm being told about ill just say this-

1+__=?

Debate.

Wait, there is a missing variable? Impossible to come up with the correct answer? That's mainly my point. For those few that are killing the FO, how about letting them get through the offseason before destroying them. Is that such an offensive statement?

 

[carmichaeldave]

I said that, due to this tweet.

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 52m
I wish I had a microphone and a large captive audience on Monday to talk about some Kings fans pissing me off.*

*Oh Wait


So we'll see, but it sounds like half the fanbase who disagrees with these moves is about to get slammed for not being grateful enough, which of course is a different topic in itself from basketball operations and personnel decisions.

1. You mean half this website. Not sure if that = fanbase.

2. It's my OPINION. You express yours here. Go get a radio show or podcast and rip me all you want. I have every right to "rip" those I disagree with just as you have every right to "rip" me. It's not personal. It's basketball. Rip away.

 

[The_Jamal]

Since there are apparently a lot of rules about debate I'm being told about ill just say this-

1+__=?

Debate.

Wait, there is a missing variable? Impossible to come up with the correct answer? That's mainly my point. For those few that are killing the FO, how about letting them get through the offseason before destroying them. Is that such an offensive statement?

Nope. 6 days into the PDA/Vivek era they clearly have no team vision, have no consensus of the market, cannot evaluate talent, and are ignorant of our team needs

 

[Hoovtrain]

Loud noises!!

 

[andjel]

I was excited 3 years ago when we added second above average talent, hoping for the better times to come due to organizations incompetence, saw Vivek and KJ winning, got my hopes as high as they can get, Iggy offer, Reke, BM, Iggy, JT, Cous, started licking my chops.... and then the rest of the week came crushing on me.
My optimism level is about empty right now, and the light I saw looks like a damn train.
But hey, Kings downtown will be revitalised.

 

[imabored]

Agreed. For a fan-base that is quite frankly extremely lucky to even have a team right now they sure have become a demanding bunch rather quickly.

It's like:

"Thanks Mr. Ranadive for saving our team and keeping them here but we also need you to right all of the wrongs of the past management but only do them the way we want them. We know you just spent like $350 Million to buy the team but you don't deserve a say-so. Just listen to us and be thankful we allowed you to buy our team. Oh by the way when it comes to fixing this mess and meeting our demands......you're on the clock and we needed it done yesterday"

So I guess the FANS don't need to have an opinion just because our team was saved. Great. It's okay that we're going to suck... At least we still have our team.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

For those few that are killing the FO, how about letting them get through the offseason before destroying them. Is that such an offensive statement?

No, it's not. I don't believe anybody has said it is. "You are an ungrateful, whiny crybaby" is the offensive statement. Wasn't that obvious?

 

[spudfan]

Since there are apparently a lot of rules about debate I'm being told about ill just say this-

1+__=?

Debate.

Wait, there is a missing variable? Impossible to come up with the correct answer? That's mainly my point. For those few that are killing the FO, how about letting them get through the offseason before destroying them. Is that such an offensive statement?

How is questioning moves and discussing their purpose destroying anything. If you don't enjoy speculating or debating the different possible lineups, players and strategies the Kings could pursue then don't. Sit back, relax and enjoy the show.

 

[Entity]

Landry should be the starter he's easily better than both PPatt and JT meaning if we can trade for a SF we have upgraded PG, PF while getting a elite talent at SG and the C spot staying the same.

Wrong JT already beat him out of a job here. That was before JT got good. JT is ALOT better than he was 3 years ago. Landry a little worse.

 

[KingMilz]

Look I think people actually need to relax it's clear signing Landry was to make a upgrade at PF meaning we will be moving pieces to get a SF, just calm down Landry is a good fit he can hit middies and can be a go to guy in the post when Cousins is in foul trouble or ejected. Landry brings toughness something JT never brang to the team the dudes a undersized BEAST. It's not like the management has no idea we need a SF they ain't dumb they will make another deal.

 

[nebs]

lol at least carl landry is all in have u seen his twitter background https://twitter.com/CarlLandry

lmao. Carl's a good dude.

 

[carmichaeldave]

No, it's not. I don't believe anybody has said it is. "You are an ungrateful, whiny crybaby" is the offensive statement. Wasn't that obvious?

Please quote me saying those words

 

[KingMilz]

wrong jt already beat him out of a job here. That was before jt got good. Jt is alot better than he was 3 years ago. Landry a little worse.

lmao, seriously? There is not a single thing JT does better than Landry, Landry is tough JT is a puss what are you talking about.

 

[carmichaeldave]

FWIW- I love love LOVE mixing it up with fellow fans about ON COURT basketball moves.

That is all.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

this ****ing ruined my night... i knew we made a mistake with PDA.

 

[rainmaker]

1. You mean half this website. Not sure if that = fanbase.

2. It's my OPINION. You express yours here. Go get a radio show or podcast and rip me all you want. I have every right to "rip" those I disagree with just as you have every right to "rip" me. It's not personal. It's basketball. Rip away.

It very well might not be half the fanbase, or it could be, or half of those on social media, or forums/blogs, or what have you. But your tweet strongly implied you're about to rip into anyone who doesn't agree with your stance, which would be unfortunate. And in case you missed what I edited above when you quoted me:

Dave, we're only on here discussing all this and debating these moves because we do care, because we are fans and many of us were here posting during the train wreck which was the last half decade and watching each and every game. I personally didn't turn off a single game early nor leave a single game early. Die hard through and through, as are many who disagree with these moves thus far. I don't think us fans who've been here all along and never left no matter what are the issue.

So while you're free to rip away, as we all are, we don't share the same platform nor are as influential a voice. And using that platform to rip away, whether it's 1/2 the fanbase, 1/3 or 1/4, you'd still be ripping numerous fans who've stuck by this franchise through thick and thin and are still here, and will continue to watch/root/buy tickets. You'll do what you wish but I hope you don't go on air and conflate the issues of being grateful for Vivek with questioning FO personnel decisions. Might be better to just have an open forum to debate the pros and cons, but you'll do what you wish.

 

[jaysoonii]

Hayes/IT for Asik
PPat/Thornton for Granger

 

[kingwin]

Hayes/IT for Asik
PPat/Thornton for Granger

ohh to dream....

 

[andjel]

Please quote me saying those words

Dear @vivek:

Thank you for saving us from the brink of extinction. Now please build a champion in 5 days EXACTLY AS WE SAY.

-Kings Fans

That is how this sounds.

 

[Gary]

I am on the fence about the Landry thing, but based on how many names, and how many moves we have had our names attached to how do we even know who will be our PF rotation? We might not even have Hayes, or PP so why not wait for training camp, and give this FO a minimum of 3 years to build something we can all appreciate.

Kings fans are still on edge for some reason. Sit back, enjoy, and come back in 3 years to see what we have on the floor.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Wrong JT already beat him out of a job here. That was before JT got good. JT is ALOT better than he was 3 years ago. Landry a little worse.

I knew my attempt at adding substance would get lost here, but I'll try again. Check out the link. Not the end all be all, but made me feel a little better about the move.

Again, this will get lost in the shuffle but curious what people think about this: statistically, at least, Landry was better than JT last year. So, I'll take a cheaper upgrade, even if not a position of need, and reshuffle some of the remaining assets to address the problem positions.

 

[carmichaeldave]

Dear @vivek:

Thank you for saving us from the brink of extinction. Now please build a champion in 5 days EXACTLY AS WE SAY.

-Kings Fans


That is how this sounds.

Weird. I don't see ungrateful, whiny, OR crybaby in there. I need glasses.

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

I wrote this in the mediocrity thread, but I'll put it here to since it seems this is basically the same conversation.

I'll try and provide a constructive point of view on why I'm satisfied with whats happened so far.

This team was a complete mess the last few years. Horrible defensive team, no offensive structure, bad ball and player movement, and pieces that just didnt fit together. Was Evans the main guy or was it Cousins? Did we really have a true PG on the team, or score first guys that we were forced to play there? There was no defensive presence down low outside of the occasional DMC charge drawn, and we have a lot of poor contracts that are around for another 2 years.

As you can see, lots of questions that need answers, and they arent going to be solved in 8 days. But if you look closely you can see the long term vision. They new regime quickly identified they needed to build the team around Cousins. In order to do that they wanted better passing and shooting to space the floor. Step 1, draft McLemore. Step 2, bring back Evans at 7-9 mil/year, once they saw that wasnt happening they moved on because they didnt see him fitting well enough with a Cousins centered offense to pay 11 mil. Step 3 was start putting together a team that "fits" better, apparently their choice was to bring in Calderon (46% 3pt last year and a good passer) and Iggy (team guy, good passer and defender at the SF). Neither guy wanted to come here, not that big of a surprise, their both older and want to win now. So they went with their backup plan and acquired Vazquez, a 6'6" pass first PG who's gotten better every year of his career. Is he the long term solution at PG? Perhaps not, but this team needs to get better in small steps by constructing a team that fits better so they can eventually attract bigger names. Next they bring in Landry, is he perfect to start next to Cousins? No, but he's perfect to eventually be a key member of the 2nd unit, my guess is he only sees 5-10 minutes on the floor with Cousins but still ends up playing 25 mpg leading the bench unit with IT.

Not every problem is going to be solved immediately. And not every move right now is going to address immediate needs. Things were so shi**y here that its going to take a lot of maneuvering before things are complete. These are just the first steps. I'm sure there will be another move to pick up a new SF and probably move one of our existing bigs. I'm beginning to doubt Salmons gets amnestied just because his expiring contract is such an asset, especially nearer to the trade deadline. I just have a problem with people being so upset at what are only the first steps in the process. Rome wasnt built in a day.

And finally let me address the theme that "if they want to be a defensive team why did they let their best defender go?" Well, having that good defender on your team last year did nothing for the team D, and looking the Warriors defensive numbers last year during the regular season the were 4th in opponents FG%, 7th in opponent 3pt%, 1st in defensive rebound rate, without Bogut hurt for most of the year and with a bunch of guys you would consider sub par individual defenders. While I'm sure they would love great individual defenders, I think it will much more important for Malone to get them to play better and smarter TEAM D, which he is capable of doing.

So my thoughts are just, calm down a second, think of the bigger picture a year or 2 down the road, and get ready to see McLemore and McCallum throw down some crazy dunks in the summer league.

 

[Entity]

lmao, seriously? There is not a single thing JT does better than Landry, Landry is tough JT is a puss what are you talking about.

well you just let everybody on this board know your basketball IQ. Landry is VERY Poor rebounder. he can't post he has a good 15 ft jumper thats it. that is the extent of the talent Landry has. Again JT already BEAT him out of job because JT hustles 100% of the time. IF Landry is the starter look for us to be top 5 lottery for next 4 years bank on it.

 

[sdballer]

Weird. I don't see ungrateful, whiny, OR crybaby in there. I need glasses.

So you didn't tweet that fans complaining about the moves should stop whining like little girls and should let the professionals do their jobs.

It may have just been directed at the one fan you were arguing with but it seemed liked part of the overall theme.

 

[hrdboild]

Weird. I don't see ungrateful, whiny, OR crybaby in there. I need glasses.

 

[Gary]

Weird. I don't see ungrateful, whiny, OR crybaby in there. I need glasses.

People are still on edge here because of the whole Evans thing. Personally, I think we should just wait to see what they build (by giving it a minimum 3 years) before putting PDA on the rack.