Kings sign Carl Landry
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We are grateful for everything Vivek has done. Disagreeing with the decision made about Tyreke and the one made about Landry doesn't change that. If you told me we had to lose every one of our players and start over like an expansion team, I would still do it rather than losing the team completely. These are two completely separate issues. Hell yes I'm glad we still have a team! But it's upsetting to me personally that everything I have to say about the game of basketball is somehow not valid to somebody else because Vivek saved us and we should be so grateful that we never question anything he does ever again. Nobody here is mad at Vivek. We're trying to have a discussion on the merits of letting Tyreke walk or paying Landry $26 million to play for us for the next four years and people keep interjecting with "shutup and thank Vivek" as if that's any kind of a counter-argument to the basketball related criticisms that we've made. I will freely acknowledge that we don't know what the entire results of this off-season are going to be yet. And I will withhold judgement on Pete's tenure until he's had a chance to do his job fully. But on these two deals, I don't like them. We are all here on this website because we like to discuss the game of basketball. That's it. Am I still going to drive 400 miles next season to come and see the Kings play without Tyreke? You bet I am. Cause I'm a Kings fan. I would have been happier to see him in a Kings uniform next season helping us win games, but that doesn't make me less of a Kings fan.
I got ran off the board a while back for desiring Balmer/Hansen to take over the team. I understand the flame I got. But this offseasin has been killing me so I want to chime in. Is the letting go of Tyreke a franchise crippling move? Not necessarily. Is signing Landry a franchise crippling move? Not necessarily.
However, the moves feel like a sign of things to go. You let go of a great talent and overpay a guy that already failed on the kings, addressing NONE of the needs the team has. And not only overpaying him, but doing so for FOUR years. I think you can understand the frustration from many fans who are seeing more of the same moves. Cost cutting on talent and then overpaying mediocre players. Letting Tyreke, many (including mine) fans favorite player hurt enough. A guy who had his whole heart here. Who just wanted a freaking offer. This just pours salt on the wound.
Long story short. For people wondering why everyone is upset about the Landry move. Landry is the salt. By itself it's just bitter. But it hurts more when they toss it in the wound.
However, the moves feel like a sign of things to go. You let go of a great talent and overpay a guy that already failed on the kings, addressing NONE of the needs the team has. And not only overpaying him, but doing so for FOUR years. I think you can understand the frustration from many fans who are seeing more of the same moves. Cost cutting on talent and then overpaying mediocre players. Letting Tyreke, many (including mine) fans favorite player hurt enough. A guy who had his whole heart here. Who just wanted a freaking offer. This just pours salt on the wound.
Long story short. For people wondering why everyone is upset about the Landry move. Landry is the salt. By itself it's just bitter. But it hurts more when they toss it in the wound.
Fair enough. If required, I'm sure all of us would have gutted the team to keep it here. But, of course, we kept the team and it wasn't required to gut it. We don't have to do post-hoc penance. So I think it's totally fair to address moves for their own merits and not have to compare them to the Seattle Supersonics alternative.
That wasn't a knee-jerk defense. That only came up after someone explicitly did call our thanks into question. It was kind of shocking, really. I wasn't really expecting that sort of ad hominem.
Great. I think it's perfectly fine to debate the moves. But let's not get into disparaging people who view the moves differently, and implying that they're ungrateful, and implying that they feel untitled. Let's debate it on the level without getting into personal attacks.
That wasn't a knee-jerk defense. That only came up after someone explicitly did call our thanks into question. It was kind of shocking, really. I wasn't really expecting that sort of ad hominem.
Great. I think it's perfectly fine to debate the moves. But let's not get into disparaging people who view the moves differently, and implying that they're ungrateful, and implying that they feel untitled. Let's debate it on the level without getting into personal attacks.
How did we manage this? Cap space and a lottery pick, yet were worse off then we were pre draft. Still waiting on that commitment to defense. Maybe that was silly considering the source of are owner and GM.
To be fair were a long way from training camp. Can't right this off as a complete disaster just yet.
Carmichael Dave, pee off. People come here to discuss the direction this team is headed, especially when they don't like the direction. Sorry that doesn't fit with your unbridled enthusiasm for all things Kings. It's bull**** for you to start a narrative that people unhappy with personnel move are somehow ungrateful fans. You're about to have your own forum again, have your circle jerk there.
To be fair were a long way from training camp. Can't right this off as a complete disaster just yet.
Carmichael Dave, pee off. People come here to discuss the direction this team is headed, especially when they don't like the direction. Sorry that doesn't fit with your unbridled enthusiasm for all things Kings. It's bull**** for you to start a narrative that people unhappy with personnel move are somehow ungrateful fans. You're about to have your own forum again, have your circle jerk there.
What frustrates me is fans are already throwing this team under the bus, without seeing it on the floor for a single NBA minute. And we're not even done. We're breaking up one of the worst teams of the last 6 years; there's going to be changes with new leadership. You don't have to like the moves, but NO one should be throwing this team under the bus as many have done the last few days.
Landry and Vasquez are both EXCELLENT role playing talents. They will help this team in many areas we've struggled with since the decline of the glory day teams. Let's see what else we do this off-season
Landry and Vasquez are both EXCELLENT role playing talents. They will help this team in many areas we've struggled with since the decline of the glory day teams. Let's see what else we do this off-season
It is getting harder and harder not to post bannable stuff here about the front office.
We have GV, Laundry and 3 mil to show for Reke, waiting to see that very hidden checkmate move FO is preparing.
Most of the time what looks like a bad move in chess is exactly that, bad move.
Hope to be proven wrong.
We have GV, Laundry and 3 mil to show for Reke, waiting to see that very hidden checkmate move FO is preparing.
Most of the time what looks like a bad move in chess is exactly that, bad move.
Hope to be proven wrong.
Well, as I pointed out in a previous comment, you were encouraging people who were taking the ad hominem approach by "10/10"ing it. As far as ripping people goes, well I think here you've been on the level but it does appear that you tweeted this, which does look like "ripping" to me:
And as far as "unfair" goes, I think the accusation that I and people who feel like me are ungrateful to Vivek is quite unfair because it is not only untrue but absurd and only stands as a convenient attack rather than a true debating point.
At any rate, somebody above (whether rightly or wrongly) was of the opinion that you might be ramping up to put forward the "ungrateful" argument on your radio show next week. I hope you don't. I hope you recognize that it's not a reasonable representation of the feelings of those who aren't happy with the moves.
And as far as "unfair" goes, I think the accusation that I and people who feel like me are ungrateful to Vivek is quite unfair because it is not only untrue but absurd and only stands as a convenient attack rather than a true debating point.
At any rate, somebody above (whether rightly or wrongly) was of the opinion that you might be ramping up to put forward the "ungrateful" argument on your radio show next week. I hope you don't. I hope you recognize that it's not a reasonable representation of the feelings of those who aren't happy with the moves.
Again, this will get lost in the shuffle but curious what people think about this: statistically, at least, Landry was better than JT last year. So, I'll take a cheaper upgrade, even if not a position of need, and reshuffle some of the remaining assets to address the problem positions.
I don't quite get this signing in terms of what the ownership sees in Carl that makes them think he will improve our play on the court. I don't quite get this signing from a financial point of view either. I do get this signing from a we are going to be aggressive during free agency point of view. And, I for one, am loving this aggressiveness. While most of the moves we will not agree with, at least we can admit that PDA and company are being aggressive, and that is exactly what they said they were gonna do.
I've said this before, and I will say it again. I am willing to give this new ownership and front office some time to figure things out. I am not ready to call for their heads just yet.
With that being said, I have a good feeling that things will be getting better. I really do.
I've said this before, and I will say it again. I am willing to give this new ownership and front office some time to figure things out. I am not ready to call for their heads just yet.
With that being said, I have a good feeling that things will be getting better. I really do.
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