Kings Secure Sole Possession of 3rd Spot

[mcsluggo]

With 3rd worst record, these are the Kings chances going into lotto day:

Odds of #1: 15.6%!!!
Odds of #2: 15.7%!!
Odds of #3: 15.6%!
Odds of #4: 22.6%
Odds of #5: 26.5%
Odds of $6: 4%

Odds of a Top 1-2 pick: 31.3%!!!
Odds of a Top 1-3 pick: 46.9%!!

Odds of a Top 4 pick: 69.5%
Odds of a Top 5 pick: 96%

anybody else think it is a weird system when the Kings finsish with the 3rd worst record... and out of the five spots (excluding six) they have the LOWEST probability of selecting 3rd?!!? (tied with first pick)

i am all for the lottery in basic concept... but i think it should be stacked a little better in the bad teams' favor.

 

[M_Barragan]

The question is... what do we do if we land the No.1 Pick (which we wont were the kings... but still)

I am a believer that John Wall and Tyreke Evans in no way shape or form can be a successful duo in the NBA. They both need to be ball dominant to succeed. Even if Tyreke turns out to be our SG and we have a hole at the PG position. John wall is not the guy we want there.

Do we Draft Wall and gamble that they can work (they won't work period). Do we trade the pick for another and pieces? Or do we feel Wall will be the better player and more marketable player and trade the 2009 Rookie of the year who just had a rookie campaign for the history books?

Wall obviously has the Hype, but Tyreke is PROVEN in the NBA. What do we do?
Wait it out, play them and potentially have either one of their stocks drop. Or make the move while the iron is hot?

I just don't know.

 

[Superman]

The question is... what do we do if we land the No.1 Pick (which we wont were the kings... but still)

I am a believer that John Wall and Tyreke Evans in no way shape or form can be a successful duo in the NBA. They both need to be ball dominant to succeed. Even if Tyreke turns out to be our SG and we have a hole at the PG position. John wall is not the guy we want there.

Do we Draft Wall and gamble that they can work (they won't work period). Do we trade the pick for another and pieces? Or do we feel Wall will be the better player and more marketable player and trade the 2009 Rookie of the year who just had a rookie campaign for the history books?

Wall obviously has the Hype, but Tyreke is PROVEN in the NBA. What do we do?
Wait it out, play them and potentially have either one of their stocks drop. Or make the move while the iron is hot?

I just don't know.

Is John Wall still the consensus #1 at this point?

 

[Chupacabra]

The question is... what do we do if we land the No.1 Pick (which we wont were the kings... but still)

I am a believer that John Wall and Tyreke Evans in no way shape or form can be a successful duo in the NBA. They both need to be ball dominant to succeed. Even if Tyreke turns out to be our SG and we have a hole at the PG position. John wall is not the guy we want there.

Do we Draft Wall and gamble that they can work (they won't work period). Do we trade the pick for another and pieces? Or do we feel Wall will be the better player and more marketable player and trade the 2009 Rookie of the year who just had a rookie campaign for the history books?

Wall obviously has the Hype, but Tyreke is PROVEN in the NBA. What do we do?
Wait it out, play them and potentially have either one of their stocks drop. Or make the move while the iron is hot?

I just don't know.

How about we just dont draft Wall? We'd benefit more by drafting Turner. We'd benefit the most by drafting Cousins.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Is John Wall still the consensus #1 at this point?

Absolutely not. It's either Wall or Turner for sure. The rest, Favors, Cousins, etc. line up (or line down) after them. I went into my thoughts in post #34 of this thread. No question if you get 1st or 2nd pick you draft either Turner or Wall... or trade down a spot or so which might make some sense for the Kings... or draft one of the big two and package them for immediate "need" on draft day.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

How about we just dont draft Wall? We'd benefit more by drafting Turner. We'd benefit the most by drafting Cousins.

We need to trade the pick if we get #1, IMO. Because the consensus is Wall, and his published upside, we could get quite the return in that trade. Either we trade it and move down plus another pick/young prospect, or Petrie gets us a star in return, then we could use the free agent money to sign a good player(s), and kick some *** next season!

edit: not that we couldnt do bigger things next year if we got the 3rd/4th/5th picks this year, Mr. Petrie could still have alot of fun doing that...I cant wait! C'mon May 18th!!

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Trade Wall (or Turner) for Cousins plus 3 future first rounders. I believe that is the precedent for moving out of the top pick for a 3rd or 4th pick.

Sounds fantastic to me.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Trade Wall (or Turner) for Cousins plus 3 future first rounders. I believe that is the precedent for moving out of the top pick for a 3rd or 4th pick.

Sounds fantastic to me.

Circa 1993 with the Webber/Hardaway trade.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

What is interesting about that deal is that if the Magic had used the picks correctly they could have had a pretty nice team even after both Shaq and Penny were gone.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

What is interesting about that deal is that if the Magic had used the picks correctly they could have had a pretty nice team even after both Shaq and Penny were gone.

No kidding...Michael Doleac, Matt Harpring, Brian Evans, and Keon Clark(who they ended up trading post draft)?? Harpring isnt that bad...but the Magic braintrust really dropped the ball on ALL these picks!

 

[M_Barragan]

Good problem for us to have indeed. Just dunno. Wall has the Hype but Evan's proved what he can do. H doesn't have the raw athleticism of wall. But Tyreke reads the defense better then anyone I have ever seen.

To be able to get to the rack at will with no shot and the entire defense focused on you and knowing you are going to do it is something special. You can't just develop that level of mental focus, speed, and instincts overnight. By the time you enter the NBA you have this skill set maxed out to its potential.

Wall has athleticism and more natural PG skills but reke will always be the more lethal scorer and because he also possesses PG skills which if surrounded by the right players, would be much tougher to stop defensively.

I personally keep Tyreke and trade the pick for pieces that will equal wall's impact to the game but out positions that we need.

 

[PurpleHaze]

I think Wall as a PG (such a demanding position) will take a bit more time to live up to his hype in NBA. I would be a bit surprised if he took the league by storm the way Tyreke did from day one. Turner looks more NBA ready from the start as a 2 guard who can just do his thing mostly off the ball. Still, he may take some time to take off in a big way. Evan is actually versatile enough to bring the ball up in a Cisco-esque way as a lead guard. Obviously, neither one is bust material by a long shot - unlike more risk on down in the draft. I had mentioned earlier I might trade the pick if it was #1 or #2, but the more I think about it I wouldn't. We only have two guards (plus Cisco) right now and if a starter went down injured Kings would be in a world of hurt (no pun intended).

I think you have to take potential major star like a Turner or Wall and fit them into the Kings back court rotation immediately. Imagine not one but two "superstars" one day leading the charge for the Kings

 

[mac]

There is no way that the Kings are going to trade Tyreke...

Anyway I trust in the organization's ability to judge who would be the best fit and most valuable player for us to draft. What I doubt is their ability to trade down while getting someone/something worthwhile in return

 

[Section 101]

Wall all the way. You dont think that CP3 or DW could play with Evans? Talk about a match up problem. No team in the league would be able to stop both of them at the same time.

Here's the deal. Evans doesn't need the ball the whole time to do what he does. You can give it to him with 10 seconds and he's going to get the same shot as when he brings the ball up.

 

[Bricklayer]

Wall all the way. You dont think that CP3 or DW could play with Evans? Talk about a match up problem. No team in the league would be able to stop both of them at the same time.

Here's the deal. Evans doesn't need the ball the whole time to do what he does. You can give it to him with 10 seconds and he's going to get the same shot as when he brings the ball up.

No CP3 or DW would be bad fits as well. Would hurt both players. ALthough in CP3's case I might have to try it just because potentially two HOF type talents together. But that's a bad fit. Reke does what he does by dominating the ball. CP3 does what he does by dominating the ball. There is only one ball. Two guys can't have it 75% of the time each. Its a recipe for a "two guys taking turns" backcourt rather than one that complements each other.

When you've got one dominant ballhandler in the backcourt the backcourt mate is almost never anybody of significance. There is only one ball. So you put a Roinnie Brewer or fill in the blank guy next to Deron. A MoPete or old Peja or whoever next to CP3. A Raja Bell next to Nash (JRich has not worked as well, and is no a 15ppg guy). A Fisher next to Kobe. A random dude of the week next to Wade. It was Blake next to Roy, now its Andre Miller, who I don't think is really a great fit either. Next to Jordan it was Paxsons and BJ Armstrongs and old Ron Harpers. There are a handful of exceptions, mostly from Nellieball or other run n' gun teams with a shooter at SG, but two star ballhandlers = almost never. I might try it with CP3 or Wall just based on the amazing talent alone, but I know better.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

At this point, if we end up getting the 3rd pick, I'm definitely leaning towards taking Favors. He would give us what we lack, which is a solid, defensive minded big guy that grabs boards, block shots, and is decently quick/athletic for his size at 6'9/250. We could either bring Thompson off the bench as the first big with energy, or try him and Favors together and see what happens...that's IF we dont do something to acquite a proven center.(taking nothing away from what Hawes will/might do upcoming)

 

[steelevt]

The question is... what do we do if we land the No.1 Pick (which we wont were the kings... but still)

I am a believer that John Wall and Tyreke Evans in no way shape or form can be a successful duo in the NBA. They both need to be ball dominant to succeed. Even if Tyreke turns out to be our SG and we have a hole at the PG position. John wall is not the guy we want there.

Do we Draft Wall and gamble that they can work (they won't work period). Do we trade the pick for another and pieces? Or do we feel Wall will be the better player and more marketable player and trade the 2009 Rookie of the year who just had a rookie campaign for the history books?

Wall obviously has the Hype, but Tyreke is PROVEN in the NBA. What do we do?
Wait it out, play them and potentially have either one of their stocks drop. Or make the move while the iron is hot?

I just don't know.

if we dont draft wall at #1, or at #2 if turner goes #1, then we might hear a lot of bowie/jordan references. especially if wall lives up to the hype. if you have that chance, you always draft best player available. chicago had like 3 pgs and still drafted rose. many people thought it was a bad idea to draft evans based on the fact that it wouldnt work with martin but we did and in the end it worked out. i know this is blasphemy but...what if we draft wall and he turns out to be better than evans? we can move evans the same way we moved martin. now i said "if". i'm in no way saying he will or saying we should trade evans. i'm just saying draft best player available and figure it out from there, whether it be making the pieces fit, or trading for better pieces

 

[sc3252]

I don't think Wall should be the number one pick just because everyone says he is. There have been plenty of busts that were "sure" things, there were plenty of players who everyone thought would be super stars turn into busts. While I don't think that will happen with Wall, I do think there is a possibility of finding a better player. Just because we pick someone other other than Wall, it doesn't mean it was the wrong pick in fact it probably would mean that Wall was over hyped(if we got #1). Of course if someone does draft Wall and he does turn into another Stephon Marbury everyone will be asking "How did the GM get fooled into drafting this guy?" when you could have had the next Shaq(example), or the next blah blah blah.

 

[Section 101]

I don't think Wall should be the number one pick just because everyone says he is. There have been plenty of busts that were "sure" things, there were plenty of players who everyone thought would be super stars turn into busts. While I don't think that will happen with Wall, I do think there is a possibility of finding a better player. Just because we pick someone other other than Wall, it doesn't mean it was the wrong pick in fact it probably would mean that Wall was over hyped(if we got #1). Of course if someone does draft Wall and he does turn into another Stephon Marbury everyone will be asking "How did the GM get fooled into drafting this guy?" when you could have had the next Shaq(example), or the next blah blah blah.

Or you could draft Bogut and Marvin Williams ahead of Dwill and CP3 just because they are bigger guys. Or Bargnai over Roy. Do you think the Blazers are regretting Oden over Durant at this point? The Bulls dont regret passing on Beasley for Rose.

 

[sc3252]

Or you could draft Bogut and Marvin Williams ahead of Dwill and CP3 just because they are bigger guys. Or Bargnai over Roy. Do you think the Blazers are regretting Oden over Durant at this point? The Bulls dont regret passing on Beasley for Rose.

Oden had as much hype as Lebron James(aka this years Wall), he was 1# across the boards. As far as Marvin Williams, I saw busty mcbust. Bogut may very well be as good as those other two(defense is the quite stat), not sure yet since he does seem to be injury prone, kinda like Oden. Of course in my post I didn't say that we shouldn't draft Wall, just that we should be open to other players and not be swayed by the consensus.

 

[Uncia03]

One of the things I loved about last years draft was that it was clear that Petrie decided that a change in temperment and attitude was in order.

He drafted a physically imposing beast in Tyreke to man the PG spot. He drafted a fiery competitor in Casspi, and he drafted a rugged bruiser in Brockman.

I think we can all agree that the move away from the finesse and towards the physical is a fantastic sign for this team.

With that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if Petrie continues to build this team with players possessing tough, gritty mentalities. And it wouldn't shock me if a decision was made regarding a top 4 pick on some of those competitive attributes.

I've said repeatedly that if I had my choice I'd take Evan Turner as his size, defense, ball-handling skills, passing, and ability to play off the ball would work perfectly next to Tyreke. I think it could easily be the best PG/SG combo in the entire league by the end of the year.

But if Petrie decided to go with Cousins (who I love) to be a physically imposing big man, or with Favors who's got great athleticism and defensive potential, or with Wall who is probably the most athletically gifted and explosive of the top four, then I won't have any problems with that.

I think Petrie will conduct the interviews and work-outs and try to find the player who has the best chance to make this team great. I have my preferences, but I don't have access to all of the information.

Regardless, if we end up with a top 4 pick we can easily consider this last year to be one of the best years in a very long time and there can't be anything but extreme optimism going forward into the summer.

 

[NME]

How bad would it have sucked if we'd pulled out a couple of those close games people where whining about losing at the time, so we could be plus two meaningless wins and minus three lottery slots?

 

[kidult]

our 2010-2011 season looks very bright to me now.

 

[Ed2009]

No, we have a 96% chance for top 5, a 4% chance for 6th. Still our odds just went sky high because of the stupid short sightedness of Washington and the golden state.

I wished 96% would have been our free throw percentage during this year-we would have won many games....