[Game] Kings @ Rockets, 11/4/2023 5pm Pacific 8pm Eastern
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Rob-The-Great
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Just becaus Davion is a backup doesn’t mean he gets to play below average. I’m not asking him to be fox, but I am asking him to be a threat. He’s not a lock down defender, he’s too small. If he was 6”6 with that defense this would work out great. As we saw this game and especially the klay shot, either he gets a foul or they shoot right over him. Name another defensive pg who can’t attack the rim or shoot consistently? See
Rob-The-Great
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Well said
I don’t think these numbers thru 5 games are relevant as it’s too small of a sample size. Same thing with Keegan’s shooting numbers, they don’t mean much at this point. Also as Fox’s backup, Davion is playing like 12 mins a game in 3-4 min stretches. Context matters and in this case doesn’t tell the full story on him as a player.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
It's been said all summer so it bears repeating but the west is going to be an absolute dog fight this year so it's probably not good to get too locked in on one loss or another.
"Him"mer Fredette
Prospect
Hey, Long time reader, first time poster. Kings were the first team I every truly followed in the NBA and thank God to League Pass I've been able to watch a ton of games the past few years. I just wanted to state my concerns that the dribble handoff scheme seems off. Every since late last year, it doesn't seem to be moving as fluid. Less back door cuts, less confidence from the people being handed the ball... Is it scheme/defensive adjustments or just the Kings feeling each other out with the new pieces.
PS. I may be just freaking myself out over the offense...
PS. I may be just freaking myself out over the offense...
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Context matters, yes, but if a guy is struggling in the minutes that he is getting, it's kinda hard to suggest that he see more playing time, no?
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Where have you been? This is Barnes in a nutshell. lol. He will not gobble shots up if they are technically bad shots. Even when he's on fire like the other night he's going to be smart about it even if he maybe shouldn't be. As I posted above, according to statmuse, that offense was still good, but far from great without Fox last season. The Kings were 4-5 w/o Fox and put up 109 ppg. With Fox they where 44-29 and had 122 ppg.
Rob-The-Great
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Here is my problem . We are not sneaking up on anyone this season period.
sabonissm still is not a outside threat
Murray is still not a threat with the ball dribbling
Huerter still below average unless he’s hot
Mitchell can not run team. Does not attack the rim.
Barnes still disappears.
the team will get it together but unless they get better in those aspects we will be capped.
and brown needs to start understanding what payers he has and use they strengthens and stop trying to make non defenders defending specialist
sabonissm still is not a outside threat
Murray is still not a threat with the ball dribbling
Huerter still below average unless he’s hot
Mitchell can not run team. Does not attack the rim.
Barnes still disappears.
the team will get it together but unless they get better in those aspects we will be capped.
and brown needs to start understanding what payers he has and use they strengthens and stop trying to make non defenders defending specialist
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Yeah, the losses this early mean squat, however, pay attention to those needs if you're the GM.
Rob-The-Great
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As close as the west will be. Every game will count
your point is fair, Davion isn’t knocking it out the park, but I wouldn’t say he’s struggling. He’s been solid since Fox has been out, and again as Fox’s backup playing 10-12 mins a game for 3 mins at a time is a tough spot to be in. We don’t have enough of a sample size to come to a conclusion on anything this season though.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
They will, but when there are like 10 teams of similar talent levels and then the Nuggets, one bad loss a week into the season isn't going to kill the team when all those other teams are also suffering similar losses.
If you rattle off a 6 game losing streak like the Grizzlies on the other hand...
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Yeah, but if the Kings stay within the muck in the middle they rise if they are truly a legit playoff team on it's way to contention. If Keegan can find footing at the next star then this team will mange without Fox. If not, this isn't a playoff team without him if last years totals and the games so far are any indication. Contenders aren't usually teams with one star injury from competing for play in status.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
Sabonis' lack of shooting continues to be a big concern. Was looking for it to be improved, but have seen no signs of it
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
To be fair, this is pretty much the situation for every single team in the west at this point. The Suns might be elite when everyone is finally healthy but as it is KD and random role players isn't winning them enough games to pull away. The Mavs are absolutely screwed if Luka has to miss a week. OKC is already struggling a bit without SGA. It's probably too early to figure out who is or isn't a contender but it's not as clearcut this year as in others.
He still had one helluva game though... 43 points 12 assists 8/12 from 3 pointer
I think step one, assuming no Fox back, is Malik starts. For who? I don't really care. But he's the guy that's been bringing the energy, bringing the intensity and is actually the only one who can replicate Fox's downhill pressure to kick-starts our offense. Brown CANNOT continue to be stubborn and leave him in the 6th man role at this point
If the guy who had the worst shooting night wasn't Murray, I'd think this might have a kernel of truth to it. If you told me that Keegan was wildin' out in these streets, my head might explode.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Might be worth a shot but goodness what happens to that bench.
Its early anyway - the starters are responsible for this loss and Brown should of kept the bench in - Murray and Huerter were terrible shooting the ball and beaten on defense - Sabonis did not have a good game, and I keep on going back to the other comment I'd read that rings true - 11 pts, 15 rebs, 4 ast, 2 blk, 5 TO, - with his max contract you can't have these type of poor-to-mediocre games. You're paid head-and-shoulders above other players, and you need to perform like it. See how they respond game 2......starters mailed it in.
Who cares? Let's make sure our starters can function again first
reptilexcq2
Bench
I don't know why Mike Brown trust Huerter so much. He's just not worthy to be a starter. He lacks the size to play defense and his individual defense is horrible...he lets guy drive pass and penetrate easily. He's only good if the teammates look out for him. I understand they need his scoring and his ability to get open shot due to him having big step long strive but at the same time, he's not really a consistent shooter. His penetration midair wide open drop shot is pathetic to say the least. The Kings have some luck last year because they're fully healthy all year long and also sometimes they play elite teams that have stars out. I am not panicking...I am just saying there need to be a change. Mike Brown need to trust Colby Jones off the bench more than Mitchell. He's much more effective scoring compare to Mitchell. Just because he's a rookie doesn't mean Mitchell should be getting more minutes. Mitchell basically have no offense other than occasional 3 pt shots. His pick n roll is ineffective. The fact that Monk is more effective doing pick n roll than Mitchell prove he's not a worthy backup PG. If anything, Mitchell's role should be just a specialist...someone that need to guard a dangerous offensive player in crunch time.
I would trade Mitchell + Huerter for a star such as Lavine. Tire of this crap of believing Huerter can play defense. Tire of teams constantly searching him out and attacking him...either one on one or pick n penetrate. 99% of the time every team in this league is doing pick n roll or some type of screening to get guys open and the Kings roster have guys that just freaking slow...like they would be a few feet away from the dribbler after every screen...you can't play good defense or good team defense if you're that far off and you're asking your teammates to help out which spell trouble and that's what I sense of this roster. Huerter is terrible when being attacked by pick n roll...so is Barnes. The lack of size and length doesn't help either (the Rockets expose that)...Mitchell and Huerter are dominated by taller players, the latter can't guard and the former is not effective against taller players with no ability to block shot, that's why Klay hit that game winner. Barnes ain't that tall either....so i mean the lack of size, strength shows to be a glaring weakness of this team that plague them since last year. Good we have McGee but he can only guard the basket.
I would trade Mitchell + Huerter for a star such as Lavine. Tire of this crap of believing Huerter can play defense. Tire of teams constantly searching him out and attacking him...either one on one or pick n penetrate. 99% of the time every team in this league is doing pick n roll or some type of screening to get guys open and the Kings roster have guys that just freaking slow...like they would be a few feet away from the dribbler after every screen...you can't play good defense or good team defense if you're that far off and you're asking your teammates to help out which spell trouble and that's what I sense of this roster. Huerter is terrible when being attacked by pick n roll...so is Barnes. The lack of size and length doesn't help either (the Rockets expose that)...Mitchell and Huerter are dominated by taller players, the latter can't guard and the former is not effective against taller players with no ability to block shot, that's why Klay hit that game winner. Barnes ain't that tall either....so i mean the lack of size, strength shows to be a glaring weakness of this team that plague them since last year. Good we have McGee but he can only guard the basket.
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[QUOTE="reptilexcq2, post: 1756232, member: 46103"]I don't know why Mike Brown trust Huerter so much. He's just not worthy to be a starter. He lacks the size to play defense and his individual defense is horrible...he lets guy drive pass and penetrate easily. He's only good if the teammates look out for him. I understand they need his scoring and his ability to get open shot due to him having big step long strive but at the same time, he's not really a consistent shooter. His penetration midair wide open drop shot is pathetic to say the least. The Kings have some luck last year because they're fully healthy all year long and also sometimes they play elite teams that have stars out. I am not panicking...I am just saying there need to be a change. Mike Brown need to trust Colby Jones off the bench more than Mitchell. He's much more effective scoring compare to Mitchell. Just because he's a rookie doesn't mean Mitchell should be getting more minutes. Mitchell basically have no offense other than occasional 3 pt shots. His pick n roll is ineffective. The fact that Monk is more effective doing pick n roll than Mitchell prove he's not a worthy backup PG. If anything, Mitchell's role should be just a specialist...someone that need to guard a dangerous offensive player in crunch time.
I would trade Mitchell + Huerter for a star such as Lavine. Tire of this crap of believing Huerter can play defense. Tire of teams constantly searching him out and attacking him...either one on one or pick n penetrate. 99% of the time every team in this league is doing pick n roll or some type of screening to get guys open and the Kings roster have guys that just freaking slow...like they would be a few feet away from the dribbler after every screen...you can't play good defense or good team defense if you're that far off and you're asking your teammates to help out which spell trouble and that's what I sense of this roster. Huerter is terrible when being attacked by pick n roll...so is Barnes. The lack of size and length doesn't help either (the Rockets expose that)...Mitchell and Huerter are dominated by taller players, the latter can't guard and the former is not effective against taller players with no ability to block shot, that's why Klay hit that game winner. Barnes ain't that tall either....so i mean the lack of size, strength shows to be a glaring weakness of this team that plague them since last year. Good we have McGee but he can only guard the basket.[/QUOTE]
"HUERTER NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A STARTER!!! BENCH HIM!!!"
"TRADE HIM AS ONE OF THE MAIN PIECES FOR A STAR!!!!"
Which is it? Not a starter/bench scrub or someone you can flip for an impact starter/star on the way back?
I would trade Mitchell + Huerter for a star such as Lavine. Tire of this crap of believing Huerter can play defense. Tire of teams constantly searching him out and attacking him...either one on one or pick n penetrate. 99% of the time every team in this league is doing pick n roll or some type of screening to get guys open and the Kings roster have guys that just freaking slow...like they would be a few feet away from the dribbler after every screen...you can't play good defense or good team defense if you're that far off and you're asking your teammates to help out which spell trouble and that's what I sense of this roster. Huerter is terrible when being attacked by pick n roll...so is Barnes. The lack of size and length doesn't help either (the Rockets expose that)...Mitchell and Huerter are dominated by taller players, the latter can't guard and the former is not effective against taller players with no ability to block shot, that's why Klay hit that game winner. Barnes ain't that tall either....so i mean the lack of size, strength shows to be a glaring weakness of this team that plague them since last year. Good we have McGee but he can only guard the basket.[/QUOTE]
"HUERTER NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A STARTER!!! BENCH HIM!!!"
"TRADE HIM AS ONE OF THE MAIN PIECES FOR A STAR!!!!"
Which is it? Not a starter/bench scrub or someone you can flip for an impact starter/star on the way back?
sactowndog
All-Star
I have nothing even remotely nice to say about this game…. So I’m leaving it at that
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