1,2,3, no 4/5................our boys are strong at 123, and deep at 2/3, but not a legit 4/5 on the roster. Certainly not one on the defensive end.........Yes Kenny, as long as he starts and doesn't pout, will give great effort, but he's a 6'7 pf with little off and can't defend, Shareef more o, less d, less rebound, Corliss no d,no rebound, some inside o, and Brad, lost in this o, fair rebounder, poor defender........NO SHOT BLOCKERS at the bigs, we are very small and unathletic, a bad combination, at the 4/5...........With Bonzi playing power guard some of these problems were less apparent, but yikes.......Now I expect Bibby to get his shot back and that will help a bunch, but we have serious roster problems...How I don't know, but our boys need a defensive inside presence or this will at best be a 45 win season. Maybe a Shareef/Garcia package could get a big............Certainly hope I'm wrong, and probably clear to all watching, but can't see this roster being much better than a .500 team, if that.
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Magloire is supposedly available to pretty much anyone willing to take on his contract, but that may be against Petrie's religion.
He is overpaid, but something like Corliss + Potapenko would work nicely, and they're not exactly fulfilling all our C needs either... all 3 of those guys' contracts end this summer anyway, so he wouldn't be an albatross.
But, again, Magloire is probably too tall for Geoff's tastes, and not enough of a shooter, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
Now-meaningless trivia...
Justin Williams' per-game stats for December:
30 minutes, 48% FG, 73% FT, 18.0 rebounds (8.5 off., 9.5 def.), 4.5 PF, 2.5 blocks, 15.0 points.
He is overpaid, but something like Corliss + Potapenko would work nicely, and they're not exactly fulfilling all our C needs either... all 3 of those guys' contracts end this summer anyway, so he wouldn't be an albatross.
But, again, Magloire is probably too tall for Geoff's tastes, and not enough of a shooter, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
Now-meaningless trivia...
Justin Williams' per-game stats for December:
30 minutes, 48% FG, 73% FT, 18.0 rebounds (8.5 off., 9.5 def.), 4.5 PF, 2.5 blocks, 15.0 points.
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Ryle
Starter
Im not really sure what the fascination is with Corliss unless we are trying to "showcase" him so Minny will take him in the trade we have upcoming for Garnett.
He really does nothing we need up front and at least Pot and Taylor are bigger and take up more space.
Enough of the Justin Williams crap. He is playing against guys with Junior College talent....he should be playing well.
He really does nothing we need up front and at least Pot and Taylor are bigger and take up more space.
Enough of the Justin Williams crap. He is playing against guys with Junior College talent....he should be playing well.
No, they're not true. In fact, they were never even picked up by ANY publication, website, etc. in the US. The only rumor came from a site about Austrailian basketball...
nbrans
All-Star
Uh, Portland is asking for a 1st round pick for the privilege of having a terrible-looking Magloire on your roster for half a season.
But hey, why let the facts get in the way of some good Petrie bashing?
Am I alone in thinking a 2 year minimum contract for Justin Williams would be a better long term decision than renting Magloire for a few months or continuing to play Corliss 20 minutes a night as our backup PF/C? Those guys have no upside and they're as good as gone when the season ends. Does no one on the Kings believe in developing young talent anymore? Is there really any risk in having a young shotblocker/rebounder as your 12th man and seeing if he develops?
From what I was seeing, the most popular rumour was that the Nets hoped to get Magloire for Jason Collins and a second-round pick, but that Portland had no interest in Collins as a 5th big, and countered by asking for a first round pick along with him. There was also a rumour that Portland was considering packaging him with Zach and sending him to the Nets for Vince Carter and Jason Collins, but that it fell through on one or both teams' reluctance to part with the stronger players, so the Nets are now trying for Mel Ely in return for Collins and a second-round pick. And, as for Portland,
"C Jamaal Magloire will be shipped out of Portland as soon as somebody wants to pull the trigger on his $8.3 million salary. Once C Raef LaFrentz gets his legs back, Big Cat probably will drop out of the rotation for good."
(Sporting News)
You never know about these rumours, and it may be that they want a first round pick for him, but the only thing I'd seen to that effect was in the context of taking out New Jersey's garbage.
nbrans
All-Star
If Portland doesn't want New Jersey's garbage, why would they want ours?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Collins is mroe garbae than anything we've got.
But that Magliore deal...gee, yeah teams are going to get "stuck" taking on an 8.3 mil EXPIRING contract? How's that work? Since you are gong to be trading contracts back the other way, you are going to be spending in the same range of money, only now its going to end after the season. And for a former All-Star who could be a contributor?
Outside of something big, not sure I see the deal to be made with Portland for Magliore that sheds some of our salary, but I would absolutley love to find a way to shed KTs deal for instance in the exchange. Wonder if they are still collecting kids? KT + Douby since they still don't have their PG?
nbrans
All-Star
I mean, clearly if they would be willing to take KT for Magloire that would be something the Kings should leap at. But why would the Blazers do that, even if someone like Douby or Garcia were involved? Their frontcourt is crowded enough with Randolph/Przybilla/Aldridge/LaFrentz. Why would they pay KT to sit? Portland is not itching to add more salary.
And Magloire.... emphasis on former All-Star. He looks lathargic and incredibly slow this season. Yes, he could still help the Kings with his size. I'd say Corliss/Garcia is about right for an offer, but that's a pretty steep price given that he could walk in the offseason.
EDIT: Actually, what about this:
Sacramento outgoing:
Kenny Thomas
Francisco Garcia
Sacramento incoming:
Jamaal Magloire
New Jersey outgoing:
Jason Collins
New Jersey incoming:
Kenny Thomas
Portland outgoing:
Jamaal Magloire
Portland incoming:
Jason Collins
Francisco Garcia
If the Kings did this and Bibby opted out of his deal the Kings would be $21 million under the cap in the offseason. Wow. But still, can't see New Jersey taking on KT (they need to shed salary) and there's still the problem of Portland taking on Jason Collins. But it would be pretty awesome.
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Well, Portland does have a surplus of centers, their whole motivation seems to be that they have an $8M/yr. guy on their payroll who won't be getting any minutes behind Aldridge, Przybilla and LaFrentz. So, while they had no interest at all in Collins, who is not even a mediocre C and has 3 years left on his contract, they might be quite amenable to a trade which wasn't primarily for a C, and which helped with their weakness at SF. They might not want Potapenko even as "change" in a multiplayer transaction, but we have a number of medium-sized, flexible parts who might do.
nbrans
All-Star
Well, getting KG would go a very very long way toward helping the offense with his 20+ points per game. But I agree with the general sentiment. Just throwing a random shotblocker like, say, Samuel Dalembert is not going to all of a sudden turn this team into a championship contender. It would help, but people are way overstating the benefits. Even with everything that has happened this season the Kings are still #10 in defensive efficiency and are not losing on the boards. The biggest problem this year has been offense, and a shotblocker is not going to help that.
nbrans
All-Star
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AriesMar27
Guest
trade the whole damn team away... i dont care anymore, the sky is falling... oh my god the sky is falling... this team sucks...
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Without a shadow of a doubt the lack of shotblocking is the MAIN WEAKNESS of this team. Has been since Rick wouldn't play Tag or Skinner.
Tag would have been awesome under Muss! Damn.
This team overcompensates by having Bibby/Martin help out and cheat into the post. (like they would be able to anything to begin with!!!!) A rim defender would allow our great perimeter defenders like Artest and Salmons to stay on the perimeter!
Tag would have been awesome under Muss! Damn.
This team overcompensates by having Bibby/Martin help out and cheat into the post. (like they would be able to anything to begin with!!!!) A rim defender would allow our great perimeter defenders like Artest and Salmons to stay on the perimeter!
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Parker doesn't shut down any point gaurds does he? Harris doesn't either. They drive their man to the basket. They take away their best hand and let them them run into a 7 foot brick wall. That way they can even gamble more and stay tight on the perimeter instead of either A) helping in the post and cheating on the perimeter, or B) giving the player they are gaurding too much room on the perimeter opening up possibility for wide open jumpers like we currently do.
nbrans
I've been saying this all along.....We need a shot blocker and have no athletes on this team. The only athletes we have on this team are artest and martin and maybe price. I would descibe most of the other players on our team as finesse or garbage players. The kings need to find a way to either acquire by trade or start drafting players to develop like a Josh Howard, Marion, Barbosa, boozer, Josh Smith, and there are tons of other's I'm not mentioning. They need to get guys who will get can take it to the rim, block shots, get to loose balls, etc, because of there athleticism.
I've been saying this all along.....We need a shot blocker and have no athletes on this team. The only athletes we have on this team are artest and martin and maybe price. I would descibe most of the other players on our team as finesse or garbage players. The kings need to find a way to either acquire by trade or start drafting players to develop like a Josh Howard, Marion, Barbosa, boozer, Josh Smith, and there are tons of other's I'm not mentioning. They need to get guys who will get can take it to the rim, block shots, get to loose balls, etc, because of there athleticism.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I don't really agree with saying this team isn't athletic. At the 4/5 maybe not. Kenny is probably a top 5 athlete at PF though. Salmons, Martin, and Price are all very good to great athletes.
Packt
Starter
If the offense stumbles, you have to rely on your defense to keep you in games. Right now we don't have that one or two guy(s) that we can depend on to control the paint for even brief stretches. We're collapsing from the perimeter a lot to try and create chaos in the paint. That kind of defense can only work for so long before opponents start picking it apart. Once they do, we don’t have anything to fall back on.
Martin and Price are the only two guys I'd put in the "athletic" category.
Price still has a ways to go before it even matters. But Kenny isn't a top 5 athlete at the 4. He's not even top 5 in the Pacific, depending on who you consider a PF or SF.
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How can you say...
that kenny thomas is top 5 as far as athleticism at his position. let's think about this. He's plays the power forward position. So does Garnett, Marion, brand, bosh, kirelinko, odom, Diaw, howard, boozer, jamison, R. Wallace, Villanueva, and the list could go on. He is not close to being even in the top 10 at his position. Nothing against him, but there are a ton of other guys I'd rather have on this team than him. When's the last time you seen him take it to the rim with authority, or block someone's shot. He would be a bench player on most teams.
that kenny thomas is top 5 as far as athleticism at his position. let's think about this. He's plays the power forward position. So does Garnett, Marion, brand, bosh, kirelinko, odom, Diaw, howard, boozer, jamison, R. Wallace, Villanueva, and the list could go on. He is not close to being even in the top 10 at his position. Nothing against him, but there are a ton of other guys I'd rather have on this team than him. When's the last time you seen him take it to the rim with authority, or block someone's shot. He would be a bench player on most teams.
Boozer and Kirilenko can't both be power forwards, same for Marion and Diaw. Otherwise, I mostly agree.
nbrans
All-Star
No, they don't shut them down, but they also don't have to guard the opposing team's small forward because they're so hopeless on defense. I'm not trying to say you need a stopper at the point guard position to be a good defensive team, but Bibby takes things to another level. Even Jason Williams has become a better defender than Bibby (and no, it's not just because he has shotblocking -- he's gotten a lot better at staying in front of his man.)
Shotblocking would definitely help -- but people, it's not the only defensive problem, and getting shotblocking alone is not the solution to every single problem the Kings have.
Magloire for Williamson+Potapenko+2nd round pick could be an option. Portland fill two needs for this year, a SF and a 5th big for their rotation. It looks like they aren't going to get too much for Magloire, so at least Williamson and Potapenko are expirings and wouldn't be players with bad attitude.
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