[Game] Kings @ Pistons 1/1/2013
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just saw the replay of the Austin Daye shot that ended the game. Cousins fouled the crap out of Prince lol
and Outlaw was playing Defense 15 feet away from Austin Daye. thanks Travis. then when Daye caught the ball he ran at him looking like one of the inflatable arm flailing tube guys
if someone has DVR please record the clip of Outlaws defense there and post it on here. its quite amusing
and Outlaw was playing Defense 15 feet away from Austin Daye. thanks Travis. then when Daye caught the ball he ran at him looking like one of the inflatable arm flailing tube guys
if someone has DVR please record the clip of Outlaws defense there and post it on here. its quite amusing
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It should have been a tech cause it was in the last 2 mins of the 4th.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html
PENALTY: The first offense is a warning. A technical foul shall be assessed with each successive offense and charged to the team. An announcement will be made by the public address announcer. The 24-second clock shall remain the same or reset to 14, whichever is greater, if the violation is assessed against the defensive team. The offensive team shall be awarded a new 8 seconds to advance the ball if it is in the backcourt. If repeated acts become a travesty, the head coach shall be noti-fied that he is being held responsible.
EXCEPTION (5): In the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any over-time period, a technical foul will be assessed if the defender crosses or breaks the plane of the boundary line prior to the ball being released on a throw-in.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html
PENALTY: The first offense is a warning. A technical foul shall be assessed with each successive offense and charged to the team. An announcement will be made by the public address announcer. The 24-second clock shall remain the same or reset to 14, whichever is greater, if the violation is assessed against the defensive team. The offensive team shall be awarded a new 8 seconds to advance the ball if it is in the backcourt. If repeated acts become a travesty, the head coach shall be noti-fied that he is being held responsible.
EXCEPTION (5): In the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any over-time period, a technical foul will be assessed if the defender crosses or breaks the plane of the boundary line prior to the ball being released on a throw-in.
T Robs problem is that he comes in trying to take mid range jumpers and be an offensive option. He should just be out there playing like Kenneth Faried, all out energy. He comes in and plays like a guy that gets 40 mins a night and thinks way too much, rather than coming in with ultra energy in the 10-12 minutes he's going to get each night.
Because. He. Has.The.Talent.To.Do.So.
He's not Kenneth Faried. He's far more skilled on both ends of the floor. But we're driving his development into the ground by not giving him a chance to acclimate to the NBA game. Give him a consistent 20 MPG and see how he develops. If we give him the proper minutes to develop and he doesn't show improvement after year 2, then we messed up the pick. The Wolves gave Wes Johnson two years of starters minutes to show what he could do and he failed. That's what you do with young guys. Don't let them rot on the bench like we're doing with Trob, especially when Chuck Hayes, Outlaw and Johnson are getting the back-up big minutes
He's not Kenneth Faried. He's far more skilled on both ends of the floor. But we're driving his development into the ground by not giving him a chance to acclimate to the NBA game. Give him a consistent 20 MPG and see how he develops. If we give him the proper minutes to develop and he doesn't show improvement after year 2, then we messed up the pick. The Wolves gave Wes Johnson two years of starters minutes to show what he could do and he failed. That's what you do with young guys. Don't let them rot on the bench like we're doing with Trob, especially when Chuck Hayes, Outlaw and Johnson are getting the back-up big minutes
He hasn't shown anything even remotely close to suggest that he has the talent to do so. Do you see his moves? Do you want to count the number of airballs he puts up a game? The number of times he doesn't box out?
But anyway I'm not hating on the player. I'm hating on the pick. Let's assume for now that you are right, TRob does have the talent and we just need to give him 20 mpg. As the Kings FO - you have Cousins, you want to re-sign JT and your FA acquisition of last season is Hayes who you aren't going to bench in favor of a rookie, unless that rookie comes in and blows everyone away with his incredible play. If the role envisioned for TRob is that of a garbageman you'd do much better trading down and picking say Sullinger. That or you find a way to trade JT or Hayes in order to create minutes for Robinson. The same goes with the whole Jimmer/IT thing. You either believe in them and ensure that there are minutes to go around, or you give up and sign Brooks. Now you end up with a situation where there aren't enough minutes for all of them, and you either waste the chance to develop a good young player or you waste a few million dollars of cap space and salary on a free agent bench warmer acquisition.
But anyway I'm not hating on the player. I'm hating on the pick. Let's assume for now that you are right, TRob does have the talent and we just need to give him 20 mpg. As the Kings FO - you have Cousins, you want to re-sign JT and your FA acquisition of last season is Hayes who you aren't going to bench in favor of a rookie, unless that rookie comes in and blows everyone away with his incredible play. If the role envisioned for TRob is that of a garbageman you'd do much better trading down and picking say Sullinger. That or you find a way to trade JT or Hayes in order to create minutes for Robinson. The same goes with the whole Jimmer/IT thing. You either believe in them and ensure that there are minutes to go around, or you give up and sign Brooks. Now you end up with a situation where there aren't enough minutes for all of them, and you either waste the chance to develop a good young player or you waste a few million dollars of cap space and salary on a free agent bench warmer acquisition.
This has been true for absolutely forever. for as long as we've had Petrie. There is always a lot of doubt about who is responsible for what in our front office, but that crap is all him. He did it back in the golden yrars as well. Simply refused to ever clear out minutes and time for anybody. Always cluttered and cluttered and cluttered with"good basketball players, can never have enoguh!" wihtout ever picking up roleplayers and guys able to settle for lesser roles.
Now that said, TRob is a bust so far not because he won't be an NBA player, but because we were stupid enough to believe the hype, that he was an older rookie who was going to come in NBA ready and START for us. This despite him being a lousy fit next to Cousins mind you (more of Petrie's clutter approach -- smother your offensive weapons in even more offensive weapons because chaocs is awesome and defined roles are the tools of those weakling contending teams, not us genius perennial losers). But anyway, regardless of game, there was no clearing out to be done, because TRob was going to be playing over all of them, not fighting for developmental minutes.
And yes you have to only lookup Fredette, Jimmer, for another example of the same dynamic.
Now that said, TRob is a bust so far not because he won't be an NBA player, but because we were stupid enough to believe the hype, that he was an older rookie who was going to come in NBA ready and START for us. This despite him being a lousy fit next to Cousins mind you (more of Petrie's clutter approach -- smother your offensive weapons in even more offensive weapons because chaocs is awesome and defined roles are the tools of those weakling contending teams, not us genius perennial losers). But anyway, regardless of game, there was no clearing out to be done, because TRob was going to be playing over all of them, not fighting for developmental minutes.
And yes you have to only lookup Fredette, Jimmer, for another example of the same dynamic.
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Exactly. Spend more on your star players and best offensive/defensive weapons, and spend less on the role players. What we do is spend equally on a bunch of in-betweeners. In Petrie's defense, you could say that Hayes is a roleplayer. The problem is that he's not the sort of roleplayer that we need, as opposed to say a Samuel Dalembert. As many have pointed out, it makes it even more stupid that Hayes' main skill is that of a defensive stopper - yet we bring him off the bench to guard backup bigs.
In Jimmer's case you can at least argue that he has a role and place on our team as a ballhandler who spaces the floor next to Tyreke. That's the ideal scenario at the end of his development. On the other hand, we don't have the shots available to develop an Amare Stoudemire if Tyreke and Cousins develop as hoped for. Even Bosh on the Heat pretty much just does what a Ryan Anderson or David West could do for you as a stretch big, for double the price.
In Jimmer's case you can at least argue that he has a role and place on our team as a ballhandler who spaces the floor next to Tyreke. That's the ideal scenario at the end of his development. On the other hand, we don't have the shots available to develop an Amare Stoudemire if Tyreke and Cousins develop as hoped for. Even Bosh on the Heat pretty much just does what a Ryan Anderson or David West could do for you as a stretch big, for double the price.
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My take on TRob turning into a wasted pick is mostly on Keith Smart. I bet that on practice he would always put TRob against JT and DMC and say "Nah, you really can't guard bigs. So you should sit on that bench and see how Chuck Hayes is a genious!". But what Smart don't see here is that TRob would be a mismatch offensively against most PF because of his speed and energy. Keith Smart can't seem to get multiple players to have good games at the same time. It's like this game DMC is our offense. Next game IT is our offense. And so on.
Smart should stop playing TRob like a strong and slow-footed big. He should take advantage his quickness and upper body strength. From that he'll see why TRob is a top 5 pick.
Smart should stop playing TRob like a strong and slow-footed big. He should take advantage his quickness and upper body strength. From that he'll see why TRob is a top 5 pick.
I agree that Smart is to blame with our development with our rookies or our players in general. Many of us knew Jimmer wasn't the answer at pg. So what did Smart do? Played him at pg where he didnt do well. This year he finally figured it out and him at the 2 guard while IT or brooks bring up the ball. I actually see plays where Jimmer comes off a screen for a shot as opposed to always trying to create his own like last year.
I personally believe trob has shown flashes of his ability but hasnt been consistent. I'm not ready to call him a bust yet. some say he cant be a Faried type player but I think thats exactly who he should be. Use that athleticism for rebounding, dunking, and sometimes blocking. Once he gets some confidence, gets acclimated to the nba speed, and fine tunes his offense, he will succeed. I think putting him in with hayes is a mistake. Defenses sag off hayes and it's harder for trob offensively, especially when he is a rookie trying to create for himself while still learning how the nba works. Let him get some time with Cousins where most of the defensive attention is on Cousins. It's easy just to say these picks are busts because they arent doing well but sometimes they need time or the right environment/coaching. Anyone find it odd that jj hickson was a 20/10 player in cleveland, played like crap here, then is doing so well in portland? Maybe, just maybe he wasnt being used correctly by the coach.
I personally believe trob has shown flashes of his ability but hasnt been consistent. I'm not ready to call him a bust yet. some say he cant be a Faried type player but I think thats exactly who he should be. Use that athleticism for rebounding, dunking, and sometimes blocking. Once he gets some confidence, gets acclimated to the nba speed, and fine tunes his offense, he will succeed. I think putting him in with hayes is a mistake. Defenses sag off hayes and it's harder for trob offensively, especially when he is a rookie trying to create for himself while still learning how the nba works. Let him get some time with Cousins where most of the defensive attention is on Cousins. It's easy just to say these picks are busts because they arent doing well but sometimes they need time or the right environment/coaching. Anyone find it odd that jj hickson was a 20/10 player in cleveland, played like crap here, then is doing so well in portland? Maybe, just maybe he wasnt being used correctly by the coach.
Top 5 picks are supposed to be stars. He's really not going to be that. Cousins was a #5 pick. Rubio. Love. Sloppy or not you could see the special on them from the beginning.
A jumper though would do wonders for his ability to draw bigger guys outside. Catch and shoot though. Learn to walk before you can fly. Besides which catch and shoot works as a roleplayer, which makes you playable and gets you the minutes you need to work on the rest.
A jumper though would do wonders for his ability to draw bigger guys outside. Catch and shoot though. Learn to walk before you can fly. Besides which catch and shoot works as a roleplayer, which makes you playable and gets you the minutes you need to work on the rest.
Oh, I said supposed to be, not always are. And yes, Thabeet is a worst case. Or as a #5 pick, Tskitishvili. But I don't truly worry about that with TRob. I do however worry that he could become marooned at a dubious level of Shelden Williams or Tyrus Thomas, the #4 and #5 picks of the 2006 draft. Thomas in particular has a claim on the comparison.
You want to see something scary? Rookie season numbers for Shelden Williams(#5 2006), Tyrus Thomas(#4 2006), Thomas Robinson(#5 2012):
Williams 18.7min 5.5pts (.455 .764) 5.4reb 0.5ast 0.6stl 0.5blk 1.2TO
Thomas 13.4pts 5.2pts (.475 .607) 3.6reb 0.6ast 0.6stl 1.1blk 1.3TO
Robinsn 15.3min 4.4pts (.407 .659) 3.8reb 0.6ast 0.6stl 0.5blk 1.2TO