KINGS PICKING 4TH IN 2022 NBA DRAFT!

[The_Jamal]

Question for everybody:

Let's assume all these deals are on the table and we essentially are giving up 4+ Holmes and/or contracts to make the money work. Are you accepting:

Jerami Grant+5
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6
Josh Hart+7+36?
Vassell+9+20?
Barrett+11?
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP?

 

[kb02]

Question for everybody:

Let's assume all these deals are on the table and we essentially are giving up 4+ Holmes and/or contracts to make the money work. Are you accepting:

Jerami Grant+5. Jerami Grant + Daniels? Yes.
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6. Turner + Daniels? Yes.
Josh Hart+7+36? Will Daniels be there? Yes? Then yes. No? Then no.
Vassell+9+20? No. I don't think Daniels makes it to 9.
Barrett+11? See above.
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP? NO.

 

[SLAB]

So many people potentially wanting to trade up to four, the “Kings hold the keys to this draft” talk should be a bright glaring sign. Hold the pick for an absolute kings ransom (no, Jerami Grant isn’t a kings ransom) and if you don’t get it, take the guy everyone wants.

Then if it doesn’t work pull a Haliburton and trade him for an all-star later.

 

[Spike]

Question for everybody:

Let's assume all these deals are on the table and we essentially are giving up 4+ Holmes and/or contracts to make the money work. Are you accepting:

Jerami Grant+5
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6
Josh Hart+7+36?
Vassell+9+20?
Barrett+11?
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP?

Normally, I would hate trading the #4 pick. But I think everyone else is overvaluing what that player can bring, or is on a different timeline than the Kings and just looking to stockpile players in the hopes something can stick.

I would be cool with:
Grant +5
Brogdon/Turner +6
Hart + 7+36, although I think we're still doing Portland a favor for embarrassing the NBA

Vassell +9 +20 is a maybe, because IDK if someone who can help the Kings (another wing) slips to 9. If Sharpe falls, I would do it. Although I could see SA trade up for Sharpe, too. IDK.

I don't think Barrett + 11 is what we need, and I don't think the help will be there at 11.

PJ + 13 + FFRP intrigues me, depending on the protections for that future pick. While I don't think a player at 13 helps now, Washington does, and you can use 13 to gamble on a player. The future pick might end up better than what we can get in next year's draft, so I'd be for it.

 

[SacTownKid]

Question for everybody:

Let's assume all these deals are on the table and we essentially are giving up 4+ Holmes and/or contracts to make the money work. Are you accepting:

Jerami Grant+5
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6
Josh Hart+7+36?
Vassell+9+20?
Barrett+11?
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP?

Jerami Grant+5 - Yes
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6 - No, unless they can reroute Brogdon or Turner elsewhere for other assets/space
Josh Hart+7+36? - No
Vassell+9+20? - No
Barrett+11? - Yes
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP? - No

 

[SacTownKid]

So many people potentially wanting to trade up to four, the “Kings hold the keys to this draft” talk should be a bright glaring sign. Hold the pick for an absolute kings ransom (no, Jerami Grant isn’t a kings ransom) and if you don’t get it, take the guy everyone wants.

Then if it doesn’t work pull a Haliburton and trade him for an all-star later.

If Holmes is also moved out at the same time that's helping clear more cap for next summer though. If Barnes/Grant work you can probably re-sign both and still have some ability to add next summer. I can't see both getting more than 20 a year a piece at this point. At 5 the Kings could take the gamble of Sharpe still or get Murray/Griffin.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Question for everybody:

Let's assume all these deals are on the table and we essentially are giving up 4+ Holmes and/or contracts to make the money work. Are you accepting:

Jerami Grant+5 Yes
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6 If we could flip these for another lotto pick or if Sabonis really wanted it
Josh Hart+7+36? hell no
Vassell+9+20? probably no
Barrett+11? probably yes
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP? PJ and Oubre and this year's picks? I'm listening

 

[Spike]

Josh Hart+7+36? hell no

This feels personal.

 

[dude12]

Jerami Grant+5 - Yes
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6 - No, unless they can reroute Brogdon or Turner elsewhere for other assets/space
Josh Hart+7+36? - No
Vassell+9+20? - No
Barrett+11? - Yes
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP? - No

I think I agree with yours but am not sure about Barrett without looking deeper. I tend to say no on that. PJ and 13 and 15 are all flyers so that is a pass. Grant and 5 is a quick yes. I agree about the Indiana deal…..I would move down to 6 but don’t want what they have to offer. The Hart/7 and Vassell deals are just not going to work. You are acquiring volume lesser assets for a premium pick. Hard pass on that.

I think the pick at 4 has bigger value based on other teams hard on for Ivey or whomever they want to trade up to get

 

[Turgenev]

Question for everybody:

Let's assume all these deals are on the table and we essentially are giving up 4+ Holmes and/or contracts to make the money work. Are you accepting:

Jerami Grant+5. Probably yes. I wouldn't give up Holmes in this trade. I wouldn't necessarily be excited about it.
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6. Yes to Brogdan and 6, no to Turner. I think Turner and Sabonis has been done. In theory, great. In practice, eh.
Josh Hart+7+36? Probably would want a little more, like a future pick. Wouldn't give up Holmes. Would depend on who is there at 7.
Vassell+9+20? Possibly. Might depend on who is there at 9.
Barrett+11? No. NYK can get the hell outta here with their junk.
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP? Probably not. That's a good number of picks in return but a top 4 pick that's generating a bit of buzz for PJ and 3 mid level picks that promise each promise much less?

 

[est.1999]

You have to go BPA and figure it out during the draft or make it work afterwards. Would be stupid to pick a lesser player because you’ll lose leverage.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

This feels personal.

Perhaps. It does feel like we'd be bailing Portland out of their mistake but I also really don't think Hart is enough of a return to drop to 7. I was very comfortable with a Buddy for Hart exchange of unwanted pieces type of deal, but he doesn't move the needle for me in this case.

 

[Turgenev]

just in time. As soon as you lean towards Ivey lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1537054803393531906

I read his draft coverage with draft express and remember him as pretty neutral. Guess now he is with ESPN he sees the Kings as a feeder team/ nuisance/ punch line. Also his buddy got a role with a club and he's still writing mock drafts for clicks. Haha.

 

[SacTownKid]

I think I agree with yours but am not sure about Barrett without looking deeper. I tend to say no on that. PJ and 13 and 15 are all flyers so that is a pass. Grant and 5 is a quick yes. I agree about the Indiana deal…..I would move down to 6 but don’t want what they have to offer. The Hart/7 and Vassell deals are just not going to work. You are acquiring volume lesser assets for a premium pick. Hard pass on that.

I think the pick at 4 has bigger value based on other teams hard on for Ivey or whomever they want to trade up to get

Yeah, Barrett is a bit of a gamble but he's got the tools and size to be that next level wing. In a less restrictive system with those skills I'd personally take it all day. It's a drop in the draft for sure but that would put the Kings in a position to still take someone like Sochan/Eason or a dropper if there is one this year and come out pretty complete in the end. If Davis were still at 11 then RJ/Davis would be pretty awesome. I think the best, ready to plug in defender in this draft with the offensive upside to go with it is Davis.

 

[Chupacabra]

Question for everybody:

Let's assume all these deals are on the table and we essentially are giving up 4+ Holmes and/or contracts to make the money work. Are you accepting:

Jerami Grant+5
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6
Josh Hart+7+36?
Vassell+9+20?
Barrett+11?
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP?

Jerami Grant+5: Absolutely. This needs to be our priority, and I think we could even give slightly extra to get it done. If we pull this one off, we could see the benefits for a long time.

Brogdon or Myles Turner+6 Also yes, can still select a nice player and would have lots of pieces to use in a deal for the upcoming year.

Josh Hart+7+36? No. This is where it drops off for me. If I am letting go of Ivey and I am selling him as a franchise player, I have to get more active players back that I need.

Vassell+9+20? No.

Barrett+11? No.

PJ+13+15+future protected FRP? No.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Yeah, Barrett is a bit of a gamble but he's got the tools and size to be that next level wing. In a less restrictive system with those skills I'd personally take it all day. It's a drop in the draft for sure but that would put the Kings in a position to still take someone like Sochan/Eason or a dropper if there is one this year and come out pretty complete in the end. If Davis were still at 11 then RJ/Davis would be pretty awesome. I think the best, ready to plug in defender in this draft with the offensive upside to go with it is Davis.

I just don't think anyone is going to make a trade for 4 before pick 3 is called.
With that in mind it would be a bit foolish for us to finalize the trade down before we know our target is still available.

 

[KaiJonesBall]

Question for everybody:

Let's assume all these deals are on the table and we essentially are giving up 4+ Holmes and/or contracts to make the money work. Are you accepting:

Question for everybody:

Let's assume all these deals are on the table and we essentially are giving up 4+ Holmes and/or contracts to make the money work. Are you accepting:

Jerami Grant+5
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6
Josh Hart+7+36?
Vassell+9+20?
Barrett+11?
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP?

Jerami Grant+5 No. Bey would be the guy but I don’t see us striking a balance with Detroit to get it done. I think we were set to draft Bey until Hali fell. Monte should have tried to acquire him in his rookie season but the boat sailed soon after.
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6 No thanks.
Josh Hart+7+36? No. But it’s not an easy diss. I would rather aim for Caleb Martin or Porter in FA.
Vassell+9+20? YES! but I would target Primo first. I think he has Anfernee Simons/Darius Garland trajectory. Two of Sochan/Dieng/Mathurin/Daniels/Branham/Liddel/Laravia/Jovic/Jalen Williams would TOTALLY transform our wing situation from a weakness to a hopeful future position of strength. I’m a Keegan Murray fanboy but I would do this deal in a heartbeat. The talent all the way to mid-20’s is very intriguing to me.
Barrett+11? They getting dial tone
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP? YES. Again so much talent to choose from in that range. Liddel especially is so intriguing to me.

 

[SacTownKid]

I just don't think anyone is going to make a trade for 4 before pick 3 is called.
With that in mind it would be a bit foolish for us to finalize the trade down before we know our target is still available.

Yeah, I think most trades like this are based on scenario and pulled off once it's known. You have multiple potential scenarios worked out in a situation like this with various teams.

 

[Turgenev]

Based only on second hand knowledge (i.e., podcasts, youtube) and personal bias - I like Daniels as a complimentary player and pick for us. Good size. Said to be smart with positioning and movement on both sides of the ball. A few different offensive skills - but perhaps not enough to be a lead guy. Maybe you trade down a pick or two.

 

[ESP47]

Jerami Grant+5 No. Bey would be the guy but I don’t see us striking a balance with Detroit to get it done. I think we were set to draft Bey until Hali fell. Monte should have tried to acquire him in his rookie season but the boat sailed soon after.
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6 No thanks.
Josh Hart+7+36? No. But it’s not an easy diss. I would rather aim for Caleb Martin or Porter in FA.
Vassell+9+20? YES! but I would target Primo first. I think he has Anfernee Simons/Darius Garland trajectory. Two of Sochan/Dieng/Mathurin/Daniels/Branham/Liddel/Laravia/Jovic/Jalen Williams would TOTALLY transform our wing situation from a weakness to a hopeful future position of strength. I’m a Keegan Murray fanboy but I would do this deal in a heartbeat. The talent all the way to mid-20’s is very intriguing to me.
Barrett+11? They getting dial tone
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP? YES. Again so much talent to choose from in that range. Liddel especially is so intriguing to me.

I'm with you as one of the few that likes the San Antonio trade and hates the NY trade. I think Barrett is as big an empty statter as anyone. Vassell looks like he's on a trajectory to be a high level 3&D player. At 9 you'll likely have a choice between one of Mathurin, Davis, Sochan, Eason and Daniels. At 20 you could potentially land one of Jovic, Williams, Dieng or Terry.

If I like Ivey more I'd be against it but I'm not real high on him. Then again I don't think San Antonio needs to make this trade anyway. They'll probably wind up with the 4th best talent if they pick 9th anyway with how good their scouting is.

 

[SacTownKid]

Based only on second hand knowledge (i.e., podcasts, youtube) and personal bias - I like Daniels as a complimentary player and pick for us. Good size. Said to be smart with positioning and movement on both sides of the ball. A few different offensive skills - but perhaps not enough to be a lead guy. Maybe you trade down a pick or two.

Lonzo part 2. Decent but a role player, if a team wants to take him in the top 10 over players like Mathurin, Griffin, Davis, etc. good luck to them.

 

[jiimbob]

Question for everybody:

Let's assume all these deals are on the table and we essentially are giving up 4+ Holmes and/or contracts to make the money work. Are you accepting:

Jerami Grant+5
Brogdon or Myles Turner+6
Josh Hart+7+36?
Vassell+9+20?
Barrett+11?
PJ+13+15+future protected FRP?

Grant and 5, yes but unsure about Grants contract
Indiana, no
Portland, no
San Antonio, think so, great opportunity to fill needs in a young vet and 9
New York, no
Charlotte, no
No mention of Atlanta involving Collins?

 

[gunks]

Grant and 5, yes but unsure about Grants contract
Indiana, no
Portland, no
San Antonio, think so, great opportunity to fill needs in a young vet and 9
New York, no
Charlotte, no
No mention of Atlanta involving Collins?

Collins would probably be the best win now move, although I'm not too familiar with his defense, if it's iffy I wouldn't want to see Monte make a move for him. If he can switch and guard the perimeter, that's another story.

Using 4 to move up and grab Smith Jr is probably my favorite outcome, but I wouldn't hate moving down to get Murray, Daniels, or one of the high upside guys like Sochan, Eason or Mathurin either if the deal comes with a solid vet too.

This is such a bizarre draft, there's the high floor guys like Banchero, Smith Jr, and Murray in the top 5... then high ceiling guys peppered throughout the top 10. I think Monte waits out the first 3 picks, takes BPA and then susses out the best deal based on how the rest of the top 10 shakes out. Simply making the pick and going home would surprise the hell out of me.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

You apparently omitted the defensive side of the ball with your prospect analysis.

LBJ was a 2-way player even coming out of HS. So were a few other top prospects since 2003.

While I was firmly on the #77 train for our #2 pick back then, he was never thought of as a 2-way player. And several years into his NBA career he is still nowhere close to it.

Main point being, why do so many only take into consideration offensive ability? IMO that’s precisely why so many org’s fail in their pursuit of championships, or in the KINGS case fail to even qualify for the postseason. They overrate and over-rely on offensive-minded players that are either not interested in or incapable of playing passable defense.

How many point guards, let alone star point guards, in the NBA would you actually count as being good defenders? The top 5 point guards in the NBA right now are probably some combination of Steph, Luka, Trae, Morant, and Lillard? The next 5 might be Jrue, D.Murray, Kyrie, Fox, and Cp3? Honorable mentions could be Lamelo, Shae, Garland, Harden and Jamal Murray. I see only two good defenders in that entire list, Jrue and Cp3 and the latter fell off a cliff in the playoffs.

With how your responses and replies are reading I am assuming you would take Holiday or Cp3 over anybody else on this list?

 

[sauce-26]

Assuming the guy you REALLY want is available at 2, I say broker a deal to move up. We need a star. We dont get stars here via free agency, so the ONLY way you get them is in the draft. We need a stud, so lets go get him. 22 #4, top 3 protected 23, other pieces

 

[SacTownKid]

How many point guards, let alone star point guards, in the NBA would you actually count as being good defenders? The top 5 point guards in the NBA right now are probably some combination of Steph, Luka, Trae, Morant, and Lillard? The next 5 might be Jrue, D.Murray, Kyrie, Fox, and Cp3? Honorable mentions could be Lamelo, Shae, Garland, Harden and Jamal Murray. I see only two good defenders in that entire list, Jrue and Cp3 and the latter fell off a cliff in the playoffs.

With how your responses and replies are reading I am assuming you would take Holiday or Cp3 over anybody else on this list?

Amen to that. And to be totally honest, heading off teams at the PG position defensively isn't as impactful as it once was. There's too much switching. Back in the days of hand checking heck yeah, but don't get it twisted people, someone like the Glove played even better on O than he did on D. Without the offense he's a role player even in the days where it mattered more.

 

[SacTownKid]

Assuming the guy you REALLY want is available at 2, I say broker a deal to move up. We need a star. We dont get stars here via free agency, so the ONLY way you get them is in the draft. We need a stud, so lets go get him. 22 #4, top 3 protected 23, other pieces

And if Ivey is there at 4 and the Thunder are willing to deal then there is a little more security with the move the Rockets just made to clear out their PF spot. If Chet is at 2 and this is what it takes? Get 'er done.

 

[SacTownKid]

You know what that Woods deal might also signal? Grants value is probably a bit lower today. Pistons should have dealt him after season 1. 4/Holmes/Filler for Grant/5 not looking so bad now Detroit? haha.

 

[LPKingsFan]

You know what that Woods deal might also signal? Grants value is probably a bit lower today. Pistons should have dealt him after season 1. 4/Holmes/Filler for Grant/5 not looking so bad now Detroit? haha.

This might be the upside.

 

[KaiJonesBall]

I'm with you as one of the few that likes the San Antonio trade and hates the NY trade. I think Barrett is as big an empty statter as anyone. Vassell looks like he's on a trajectory to be a high level 3&D player. At 9 you'll likely have a choice between one of Mathurin, Davis, Sochan, Eason and Daniels. At 20 you could potentially land one of Jovic, Williams, Dieng or Terry.

If I like Ivey more I'd be against it but I'm not real high on him. Then again I don't think San Antonio needs to make this trade anyway. They'll probably wind up with the 4th best talent if they pick 9th anyway with how good their scouting is.

Yep it’s all a dream because I can’t see a team like the Spurs making that kind of leap for the 4th pick. Ivey doesn’t seem like the type of player that San Antonio falls all over themselves trying to get. Murray fits the Spurs mold and has the charisma of Duncan but I doubt they’re in love with him like that. Knowing when to hold them and when to fold them is one of the most important skills as a GM and Monte definitely needs to dump Holmes sooner rather than later as I see it. Don’t know that packaging Holmes with the 4 pick (as the premise of the original trade post proffered) is the right move but hanging onto Holmes to start the season is a gamble that could become a big L. Oddly enough his value could be higher now than it was for most of this last year because the revelations about his personal turmoil could justify his on court performance in the eyes of other organizations and the courts siding with him could cancel any doubts about character concerns.