Kings picking 13th overall (formerly the draft lotto thread)
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A desire to improve on defense is certainly a positive but if he's 23 now and can't defend Division 1 college players there's really no chance of him being a plus defender against NBA talent. It's just a matter of how bad will he be and will his offense off-set that. If the idea is to improve our overall defense and our wing defense in particular next year, we'd be taking a huge step backward right off the bat by drafting Knecht and expecting him to play a significant role in the rotation. He really only fits in if we're planning to abandon the new defensive mentality and try to make a run at being the #1 offense again. I can't see Mike Brown being on board with that game plan.
I guess if you really believe in his talent you draft him anyway and figure out the rest later but I don't have him in my top 13 so he's neither the BPA nor a good fit (just my opinion of course).
I guess if you really believe in his talent you draft him anyway and figure out the rest later but I don't have him in my top 13 so he's neither the BPA nor a good fit (just my opinion of course).
Depth wise, I would say the Kings have a deficiency or something to improve on at every position. I’m open to any position in the draft. I’d prefer an athletic forward/wing but even a big or a guard would be good if they’re a fit or have a high ceiling.
I think the Kings can address their overall athleticism and length deficiency in the MLE and under market and with trades.
I’m more focused on BPA in the draft regardless of position. So if Collier is that, then the Kings oughta draft him
I think the Kings can address their overall athleticism and length deficiency in the MLE and under market and with trades.
I’m more focused on BPA in the draft regardless of position. So if Collier is that, then the Kings oughta draft him
Yep.
You address needs through FA and trades. You shoot for the best talent in the draft. Pretty simple ideal to follow to me
I think there's a sliding scale of course. If a guard is our #12 prospect and a wing is our #14 prospect... you should take the wing because the positional need is greater there. That scale is probably different for everyone, but in general, the best place to start is finding who you think the best players in the draft are.
You address needs through FA and trades. You shoot for the best talent in the draft. Pretty simple ideal to follow to me
I think there's a sliding scale of course. If a guard is our #12 prospect and a wing is our #14 prospect... you should take the wing because the positional need is greater there. That scale is probably different for everyone, but in general, the best place to start is finding who you think the best players in the draft are.
At this point, this is who I’d be targeting with the 13th pick (I’m guessing guys like Holland, Knecht, & C. Williams won’t be available when we pick):
He could end up being this year’s Donovan Mitchell depending on how he develops his game on that end of the floor. They have very similar physical measurements (Carter is a bit taller but Mitchell’s wingspan is a bit longer) and both have good mass/strength. Athletically, Carter actually beats Mitchell on every test (with the exception of standing vertical where Mitchell was 1.5” better).
Again, his floor already seems really high and I think he could be an impact player in the NBA rather quickly (which would be great on a rookie scale contract) and his combination of length & strength for his size and elite athleticism tells me he could become a great offensive player if he puts in the work to develop that part of his game. He seems like a low risk/high reward type pick which at #13, seems like a hell of a steal/pick.
- PG/SG: Devin Carter
- SG: Terrence Shannon Jr.
- SG/SF: Jaylon Tyson
- SF/PF: Tristan Da Silva
He could end up being this year’s Donovan Mitchell depending on how he develops his game on that end of the floor. They have very similar physical measurements (Carter is a bit taller but Mitchell’s wingspan is a bit longer) and both have good mass/strength. Athletically, Carter actually beats Mitchell on every test (with the exception of standing vertical where Mitchell was 1.5” better).
Again, his floor already seems really high and I think he could be an impact player in the NBA rather quickly (which would be great on a rookie scale contract) and his combination of length & strength for his size and elite athleticism tells me he could become a great offensive player if he puts in the work to develop that part of his game. He seems like a low risk/high reward type pick which at #13, seems like a hell of a steal/pick.
Sometimes it's easier to just trust what's in front of you:
-Statistically dominant season and has take a significant leap each year in school
-Tape is incredibly good, on defense especially
-Athletic testing/physical measurables are incredibly good
What also pops is he plays like a dude who's out there trying to prove something. He's plays extremely hard and extremely physical; he takes pride in his defensive prowess and effort. Those are the dudes who really start to pop in a playoff type atmosphere. I think about a guy like Ben McLemore, who had all the physical gifts in the world, but just looked so timid on the floor a majority of the time. Carter is the opposite of that. Add in a massive shooting leap this past season (huge jump in % and attempts) and you really see where there's 2-way potential.
He's an older prospect (which I don't think I care about at all anymore) and he's not necessarily a "need" are the only 2 downfalls I see with him. But I care about drafting good-incredible players before caring about what needs I to fill on my team.
-Statistically dominant season and has take a significant leap each year in school
-Tape is incredibly good, on defense especially
-Athletic testing/physical measurables are incredibly good
What also pops is he plays like a dude who's out there trying to prove something. He's plays extremely hard and extremely physical; he takes pride in his defensive prowess and effort. Those are the dudes who really start to pop in a playoff type atmosphere. I think about a guy like Ben McLemore, who had all the physical gifts in the world, but just looked so timid on the floor a majority of the time. Carter is the opposite of that. Add in a massive shooting leap this past season (huge jump in % and attempts) and you really see where there's 2-way potential.
He's an older prospect (which I don't think I care about at all anymore) and he's not necessarily a "need" are the only 2 downfalls I see with him. But I care about drafting good-incredible players before caring about what needs I to fill on my team.
These dudes aren't stars in a traditional sense, but they certainly impact winning like one and probably a lot more than some dudes classified as "stars". White's not the best player on the Celtics, but he's absolutely one of the most important and the Celtics aren't near the team they are now without him. You need the horses up front to win a title, but basically no team wins a championship without impact studs like the three guys you listed above.
That's a big reason I'm excited about Keon's development and how he popped this season. I think he's got a real chance to work his way into the above list. Drafting Carter might give us a 2nd, which to me, seems good.
That's a big reason I'm excited about Keon's development and how he popped this season. I think he's got a real chance to work his way into the above list. Drafting Carter might give us a 2nd, which to me, seems good.
Yeah those are some pretty good comps by twslam. Sucks that he plays a somewhat bloated position for the Kings if they resign Monk but you have to go with him if one of the wings in the top 10 doesn't fall. I'll take having the problem of too much talent at one position over swinging and missing on a need any day. You can always use that excess talent in a trade to get a better fit if need be.
The Kings were in the same situation when they drafted Fox. Had Donovan Mitchell available right there at 10 but tried to draft for fit instead because they already had Buddy Hield. We were all really high on Hield at the time but we all found out in short order how huge of a mistake that wound up being. I think Monte is smart enough to not make that mistake. The Davion pick tells me he's a BPA type (not that Davion wound up really being the BPA but I'm guessing he was on Monte's sheet at the time).
The Kings were in the same situation when they drafted Fox. Had Donovan Mitchell available right there at 10 but tried to draft for fit instead because they already had Buddy Hield. We were all really high on Hield at the time but we all found out in short order how huge of a mistake that wound up being. I think Monte is smart enough to not make that mistake. The Davion pick tells me he's a BPA type (not that Davion wound up really being the BPA but I'm guessing he was on Monte's sheet at the time).
I hope they draft him just to see @sactowndog have an aneurysm.
Well, now I want to know who were the four projected lottery picks that we *didn't* meet with.
Sarr, at the very least, seems like a waste of a meeting unless we think we're moving up. He will not be there at #13. Clingan probably won't, either, but I could squint and see him falling. The other four listed are at least in the discussion.
Sarr, at the very least, seems like a waste of a meeting unless we think we're moving up. He will not be there at #13. Clingan probably won't, either, but I could squint and see him falling. The other four listed are at least in the discussion.
What could this possibly mean? I don’t think there is any way that Sarr gets past 3 and Clingan past 7. I don’t think you can even give the “well just in case they fall” scenerio because if they fell to 13 you would just take them because they are best available.
This is either smoke to a fire (along with the alleged interest in JA and Val) or interviews are conducted speed dating style where pretty much everyone gets a turn.
The only team I could see us trading up with is the Wizards. Maybe they don’t love the prospects and would rather take 13 the Blazers pick next year and a future first. Stills seems like a long shot.
This is either smoke to a fire (along with the alleged interest in JA and Val) or interviews are conducted speed dating style where pretty much everyone gets a turn.
The only team I could see us trading up with is the Wizards. Maybe they don’t love the prospects and would rather take 13 the Blazers pick next year and a future first. Stills seems like a long shot.
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