kb02
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Yea, 30 is a legit representation of the talent gap between the two teams. Strip away age and contract, CJ > Fox, Ingram > Barnes, Herb > any of the Kings role players. Only Kings advantage was Domas > Jonas.
[Game] Kings @ Pelicans, 03/02/2022 5pm Pacific 8pm Eastern
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Yea, 30 is a legit representation of the talent gap between the two teams. Strip away age and contract, CJ > Fox, Ingram > Barnes, Herb > any of the Kings role players. Only Kings advantage was Domas > Jonas.
captain bill
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The Pelicans are 10 games under .500, we’re now EIGHTEEN games under .500, yet both franchises made win-now moves for the play-in. This is horrible for the sport (compounded by Vivek being horrible for competent management). At this point I expect us to jump in the lotto and trade a top 3 pick for Julius Randle, and not make the playoffs until 2035 as the Vegas Kings (or “Aces”? Has a nice ring to it)
maybe we can get in on Beal? Fox/Holmes and a couple 1sts. if WAS is trying to "re-tool" and not "Re-Build"
kb02
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If you’re the opposing team and you’re going against the Kings, how would you defend them?
Fox’s shot chart tonight: https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGA&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022100937&PlayerID=1628368&RangeType=0&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612758&flag=3&sct=plot§ion=game
Domas’ shot chart tonight: https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGA&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022100937&PlayerID=1627734&RangeType=0&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612758&flag=3&sct=plot§ion=game
Note: click on the shot plot, zones, heat map links to see the charts.
Fox’s shot chart tonight: https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGA&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022100937&PlayerID=1628368&RangeType=0&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612758&flag=3&sct=plot§ion=game
Domas’ shot chart tonight: https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGA&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022100937&PlayerID=1627734&RangeType=0&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612758&flag=3&sct=plot§ion=game
Note: click on the shot plot, zones, heat map links to see the charts.
miltonap
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If you're losing by 30 against the pelicans you need a major reality check.
Please just tank.
serbiangoat
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The Kings put a band aid (Sabonis) on a massive gushing wound (Fox). It worked for 1 game.
At the same time Sabionis could not lead a way more talented Pacers team to anything the moment Victor left, I like Sabonis but he's more of 2nd and probably at best 3rd option on a good team.
The core of the Kings of Barnes/Fox making like 60 mill or close to it combined is completely rotten.
At the same time Sabionis could not lead a way more talented Pacers team to anything the moment Victor left, I like Sabonis but he's more of 2nd and probably at best 3rd option on a good team.
The core of the Kings of Barnes/Fox making like 60 mill or close to it combined is completely rotten.
DynaPamm
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It was great when he did his camera bomb and smiled though
I kinda disagree with this post. I have been super impressed with Sabonis. I think the Kings coach is really really bad.
steelevt
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I would do what the pelicans did and let the role players shoot the kings out of the game. You got davion, ddv, holiday and Lyles shooting 7/27. Our role players need to step up or understand they need to give those attempts to fox/hb/domas
serbiangoat
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I'm impressed by Sabonis but he's not a #1 guy and neither is Fox......but if we are going to be critical of Fox (I have been) for not taking the Kings anywhere neither did Sabonis after Victor injured himself on the Pacers.
kb02
All-Star
Plus Fox and Sabonis. Look at their hit rate outside of the restricted area. Right now, the Fox and Domas two man game is as varied as Hali and Holmes. It’s a one way street (Domas to Fox) and the street is narrroww (in the restricted area).
Tetsujin
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replacing a good coach with a guy who tried to fight his players and immediately got fired probably had more to do with that.
serbiangoat
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I'm talking about the moment Victor Olidpo went down with injury the Pacers were cooked and when he came back and was never the same Sabonis could not lead them not just when Rick came.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I was talking about Bjorkgren.
it’s really hard to tell with the Pacers because Sabonis missed the bubble with an injury and McMillan got fired immediately after that despite garnering praise for remaining competitive with a team of Warren and scraps. Since then Sabonis has been getting better and better while the Pacers sort of hovered around the mediocre zone until pretty much everyone on their roster got injured/Carlisle tried running 5 out with two centers and two ball-dominant guards. The Pacers have also had a weird history of bleeding role players over the past couple of years either through random retirement (Darren Collison) or free agency (Bogdanovic/McBuckets/Thad Young) or getting banned by the league fore getting addicted to drugs (Tyreke) and TJ Warren has missed two straight seasons with an injury. These might sound like excuses but I legitimately have no clue whether the Pacers would have been good with Sabonis or not.
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THIS!
hgut
G-League
The problem is that the more one-dimensional is your star player (Fox), the more multidimensional your role players need to be.
To cover Fox's weaknesses you need both, elite defense and elite 3pt shooting.
The problem is that there are very few players with those features in the league. (let's say a prime Klay Thompson)
Ergo it is virtually impossible to build a winning team around Fox.
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kb02
All-Star
We should just admit it. Vlade was right. Fox and Luka was not going to work. Fox and Hali did not work. Fox and Domas sure doesn’t look like it’s going to work.
Can someone give me directions to the ledge?
notoriousBEN3
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I haven’t been able to watch too many games, but I didn’t personally see a huge problem with Domas and Fox together last night. The problem that I noticed was more related to horrid defense and a lack of 3 point shooting.
Kings have a number of solid rotation guys, but only on the offensive side. Kings had no answer for BI and had Fox guarding him way too often b/c Barnes couldn’t guard him. That’s not a good formula for winning games.
get some D and some 3 shooters and I think Fox and Domas could be just fine. Both are smart guys and can adapt, I believe.
Kings have a number of solid rotation guys, but only on the offensive side. Kings had no answer for BI and had Fox guarding him way too often b/c Barnes couldn’t guard him. That’s not a good formula for winning games.
get some D and some 3 shooters and I think Fox and Domas could be just fine. Both are smart guys and can adapt, I believe.
EIM86
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Lol that isn’t true at all. We could copy the Jazz and be successful or even Memphis as Ja is another player similar to Fox. There’s a clear blueprint of how to do it. We are at step 1 of re-tooling and Monte needs to acquire 3 and D guys and this team will start winning just like the two teams mentioned above
Entity
Hall of Famer
holiday and DD are supposed to be 3 and D guys but its just not coming to fruition just yet
hgut
G-League
I don't think that is accurate.
Ja Morant is a better scorer, much better defender, a better rebounder, slightly better passer and slightly better shooter than Fox. I mean there is a reason why Ja Morant is an All Star and Fox not.
Mike Conley is probably the best defensive point guard in the league, a more efficient passer and an elite 3pt shooter at the moment.
So in both cases you have players that are way more multidimensional than Fox.
macadocious
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it’s schematic
kb02
All-Star
Yea, good luck trying to get a Mikal, Klay, or Anounby on the open market. The Kings might be able to find a legit 3 and D in the draft, but even then I just don't know if that fixes the over-concentrated scoring in the restricted area. I thought it was kind of funny that Kate and Mark were like, the Kings are absolutely killing it in the paint. Fox and now Sabonis are elite there. Like, yea, sure, but the reason why Sabonis was traded from Indy was because he overlapped too much with Turner. And the reason why the Kings (had to) trade(d) Hali (though they preferred shipping out Fox) was because they overlapped too much as well. So you would think that a key consideration is to actually find players that compliment each other rather than overlap in the restricted area. So taking a step back, how will three 3 & Ds (counting Barnes as one) fix the balance when Fox and Sabonis dominate so much of the ball in the same area? JUST SMH.
EIM86
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LOL Ja is not a good defender. Most point guards aren’t good defenders in general. If you’re just looking at stats then youre more of a fan then a student of the game. The FO has clearly built a team around Ja hence why his game has taken off so quickly while Fox had an entire season of stunted growth. Conley bro? Lol stop, Conley will never be what Fox is as a scorer
EIM86
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Both of those guys are fringe players imo. DDV has a better chance to be starting caliber though since he’s younger and maybe can get his shot back.
ShastaKingsFan
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To trade both Haliburton and Fox would be extra ballsy. I'd keep all options and possibilities open
gunks
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Davion was looking good as starting PG....
But it would be pretty insane to ship out Fox based on that small sample size, unless we're getting a great return... and this past trade deadline has shown how much rival GMs value Fox, so...
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