[Game] Kings @ Pacers 11/3/12

you guys praising Hayes Defense need to realize he also let David West score at will for most of the 4th quarter. giving him open jumpers everywhere,

the fact that Hayes played the whole 4th quarter is unbelievable and ridiculous
 
oh well frustrating game.

hope i don't wake up to news of a punchup on the plane, looks like some angry faces in that huddle.
 
UK_King said:
Yeah and if he did you'd be saying "why call a timeout we had a break away!!!!"

dude can't win.
Click to expand...

uh no, i would never say that, because i actually know basketball. u take the timeout and go for the last shot, u dont take a break and leave time on the clock whether u make the shot or not. thats just stupid. especially when its a contested break like that
 
Just looking at the box score to rebuild the game since I missed it. We were outscored 38-18? TWENTY POINTS in the second quarter??? What in the heck happened there.
 
Reke 13 Havoc said:
you guys praising Hayes Defense need to realize he also let David West score at will for most of the 4th quarter. giving him open jumpers everywhere,

the fact that Hayes played the whole 4th quarter is unbelievable and ridiculous
Click to expand...

Now I know you really didn't watch the game. Hayes demolished West when he was on the floor. I mean absolutely destroyed him and totally took him out of his offensive rhythm. So what if West made a few jumpers?
 
as long as we stick to have Reke and Cuz running a high pick and roll with thornton and IT/Brooks to spread the floor and JT/Hayes to clean things up we should be fine, Cuz will play better, heck he cant get any worse.
 
Coaching at the end is highly questionable.

1) What's the deal with Brooks controlling our offense?
2) Do you call a timeout on that Reke to MT runout?
3) Not fouling at the end of the 2nd OT when it's a two possession game
4) As capt said, why are we going for two at the end?

I did see improvement tonight though in the rotations, although they still need a fair amount of work. Our guys played damn hard.
 
rainmaker said:
My biggest question is why Smart stuck with Brooks, and on top of it, why Brooks has such a prominent role in our offense. His pullup 3's are terrible. He pounds the ball. Sets the offense up late. His defense killed us.

IT didn't play that great but Brooks didn't do anything worthy of the role he played tonight.
Click to expand...

Brooks hit some big shots tonight, give the man some credit. In the end it's still about presence. When he and Thornton, or any legit spot shooter is out there defenses don't collapse on Cousins and Evans. It's all apart of how this can work. Just sucks that most of the Kings shooters play PG/SG.
 
tyreeeke said:
Brooks hit a few very important shots, be fair. They may not be in the game without him.
Click to expand...

Everything he hit he gave up on the other end. Penetration against Brooks killed our defense the entire time he was in there. He was repeatedly the first breakdown.
 
Reke 13 Havoc said:
uh no, i would never say that, because i actually know basketball. u take the timeout and go for the last shot, u dont take a break and leave time on the clock whether u make the shot or not. thats just stupid. especially when its a contested break like that
Click to expand...

everyone "knows" basketball in hindsight.

I'll take the points tbh, and seeing the way this team executes in the half court I'm not that confident coming out of timeouts.

Thornton made big shots on broken plays, simple.
 
rainmaker said:
Coaching at the end is highly questionable.

1) What's the deal with Brooks controlling our offense?
2) Do you call a timeout on that Reke to MT runout?
3) Not fouling at the end of the 2nd OT when it's a two possession game
4) As capt said, why are we going for two at the end?

I did see improvement tonight though in the rotations, although they still need a fair amount of work. Our guys played damn hard.
Click to expand...

Pick and roll, pick and roll, pick and roll. This team could a pick and roll stopper, not a pick and roll offensive team. Smart started almost every set late with the pick and roll. This team will NEVER be a good pick and roll team they just don't have the personnel for it. They could be special in a motion/spread offense set though.
 
rainmaker said:
Everything he hit he gave up on the other end. Penetration against Brooks killed our defense the entire time he was in there. He was repeatedly the first breakdown.
Click to expand...

ya the most successful part of all 3 games so far is when the ball is in Rekes hands. when is the dumb coach going to realize this and try a lineup with Reke at PG?
 
I find it hard to believe some of you can pin this loss on Smart.

He didn't make Cousins shoot 9-26

He didn't cause 9 TO's from IT and Reke and at least 10+ unforced TO's

He didn't miss 12+ wide open jumpers or puts backs that easily could have won us the game.

This loss is purely on the players. The starters had ample time to win this game and they couldn't execute
 
When we went to the pick and roll with Cuz and Reke there was always an open pass on to cuz, sadly it was spotted once but reke usually went to the hole into a few bodies.
 
UK_King said:
everyone "knows" basketball in hindsight.

I'll take the points tbh, and seeing the way this team executes in the half court I'm not that confident coming out of timeouts.

Thornton made big shots on broken plays, simple.
Click to expand...

still even a half court play where MT or Evans or DMC hold the ball and shoots it at the buzzar is better than anything that was going to happen on that thornton break. because then IND got a chance to have the ball again, whether he gets a layup there or not
 
The_Jamal said:
Now I know you really didn't watch the game. Hayes demolished West when he was on the floor. I mean absolutely destroyed him and totally took him out of his offensive rhythm. So what if West made a few jumpers?
Click to expand...


No question. Yeah, there is something ridiculous here but it ain't Hayes playing in the 4th and anyone who suggests it is will absolutely get exposed for either their agenda or a complete lack of knowledge about the nuances of basketball after this one.
 
Reke 13 Havoc said:
u guys just say that because Grant Napear said that on the telecast. he cant rebound, cant score, hes slow, he hurts us in MANY more ways than he helps
Click to expand...

Hayes was quite easily the best player on the floor tonight. He was absolutely lock-down on defense and his passing on offense lead to some of the only real movement we had all game. I want to see Hayes starting and getting a crack on the other team's best bigs from the get-go. Let JT and Trob be the energizer bunnies off the bench
 
Reke 13 Havoc said:
still even a half court play where MT or Evans or DMC hold the ball and shoots it at the buzzar is better than anything that was going to happen on that thornton break. because then IND got a chance to have the ball again, whether he gets a layup there or not
Click to expand...

we didn't get a "good" look out of a timeout all night, in essence you're trading one contested shot for another.

I take the point on clock management, but i'd rather have the points, thats what counts.
 
SacTownKid said:
Pick and roll, pick and roll, pick and roll. This team could a pick and roll stopper, not a pick and roll offensive team. Smart started almost every set late with the pick and roll. This team will NEVER be a good pick and roll team they just don't have the personnel for it. They could be special in a motion/spread offense set though.
Click to expand...

Brooks in the pick n roll is terrible. He comes off the pick looking for his shot, usually pullup 3's. He can't really penetrate and the return pass is non existent.

Reke at least attacked the rim out of the pick n roll, did hit Cuz on the rolls and had some nice kickouts.

I don't know why we went away from the Cuz/Reke two man game with MT as the clear 3rd option, and instead repeatedly put Brooks in pick n rolls. He pounded the hell out of the ball.
 
UK_King said:
When we went to the pick and roll with Cuz and Reke there was always an open pass on to cuz, sadly it was spotted once but reke usually went to the hole into a few bodies.
Click to expand...

If they want to play pick and roll ball it better be between those two but that said, they still will never be dominant in the pick and roll. They have a bunch of bigs that can pass but aren't strong finishers. They have Reke who is a strong finisher but will get lanes packed in on him. It seemed like every play started with a screen up top for Brooks that went nowhere. Teams aren't going to fear this teams pick and roll game.
 
ya you guys are definitly Over-Praising Hayes. i know his defense was great at times. and i didnt say we lost cause of him. they lost because DMC couldnt make a shot in OT-2OT yet he kept trying. i hate how he plays under the rim and throws up horrible shots just trying to get fouls called. drives me crazy. and Smart's rotations are the other reason. especially the second quarter. and playing Garcia at all is just inexcusable.
 
rainmaker said:
Brooks in the pick n roll is terrible. He comes off the pick looking for his shot, usually pullup 3's. He can't really penetrate and the return pass is non existent.

Reke at least attacked the rim out of the pick n roll, did hit Cuz on the rolls and had some nice kickouts.

I don't know why we went away from the Cuz/Reke two man game with MT as the clear 3rd option, and instead repeatedly put Brooks in pick n rolls. He pounded the hell out of the ball.
Click to expand...


A pick and pop game with Reke/Cuz could be interesting, but Reke hitting Cuz out of a spread set like they ran for him at Memphis could be option B for this team. Think he hit Cuz once with that tonight.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Mr. S£im Citrus
  • Locked
  • Poll Poll
[Game] 75/82: Kings @ Pacers 31 MAR 2025, 4pm PT/7pm ET
5 6 7
Replies
199
Views
7K
joemama
J
Mr. S£im Citrus
  • Locked
  • Poll Poll
[Game] 82/82: Kings vs. "Suns" 13 APR 2025, 12:30pm PT/3:30pm ET
2 3 4
Replies
93
Views
4K
Caccia
Caccia
QWERTYLICIOUS
  • Locked
[Game] 55/82: Kings @ Pelicans 13 FEB 2025, 5:00pm PT/8:00pm ET
13 14 15
Replies
449
Views
13K
kingsfan101
K
QWERTYLICIOUS
  • Locked
[Game] 54/82: Kings @ Pelicans 12 FEB 2025, 5:00pm PT/8:00pm ET
10 11 12
Replies
339
Views
9K
kingsfan101
K
iowamcnabb
  • Locked
[Game] Kings @ Spurs 11/11/24 5pm PST, 8pm EST
7 8 9
Replies
266
Views
9K
ShastaKingsFan
ShastaKingsFan
Back
Top