Kings notes: Stojakovic is king of Sacramento era, passes Richmond

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Kings notes: Stojakovic is king of Sacramento era, passes Richmond



By Sam Amick -- Bee Staff Writer
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MIAMI - Peja Stojakovic had no idea.

After 518 games as a Sacramento King, he stood alone when it came to purple longevity, nearly 10 years after being drafted and on the eve of his own free agency. OAS_AD('Button20');
On Saturday night in Orlando, Fla., Stojakovic tied Mitch Richmond for most games played as a Sacramento King. A day later, Stojakovic surpassed Richmond's mark in Miami.

Once the secret Serbian find of Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie, Stojakovic was unaware of the history, but nonetheless pleased.
"It's nice," said Stojakovic, who was drafted in 1996, but didn't play for the Kings until the 1998-99 season. "Sacramento gave me my opportunity. If Sacramento didn't draft me, maybe I never would have come here. Especially Geoff Petrie. He really convinced me to come over here."
On target - Shareef Abdur-Rahim remains the only King to rank in the top five in any major offensive or defensive category, as his 54.2 field-goal percentage is fifth in the league.
But his standing was much more solid until Shaquille O'Neal's outburst Sunday night, when the big man hit 11 of 15 shots to jump from fourth place to first in the category he's owned for so many years. O'Neal - who had 27 points in 27 minutes in the Heat's 119-99 win - has hit 55.5 percent of his shots. Abdur-Rahim's 3 for 9 showing dropped him from second place to fifth (54.2 percent), barely ahead of Charlotte's Gerald Wallace.
It was only the third time in Abdur-Rahim's last 15 games that he shot below 50 percent.
T.O. stands for "The Offseason" - The plan, according to so many pundits and Philadelphia Eagles fans, was for the defending NFC champions to return to the Super Bowl behind quarterback Donovan McNabb and wideout Terrell Owens.
But alas, there was no brotherly love in Philadelphia. Owens was dispatched for disorderly conduct and the Eagles didn't make the playoffs. With free time aplenty, Owens attended the Kings-Heat game, a strange sight, considering the NFC title game between Seattle and Carolina was simultaneously underway.
Owens was just one of the many in a star-studded crowd. New York Yankee Alex Rodriguez and New York Giants tight end Jeremy Shockey were on hand, along with former heavyweight champ Evander Holyfield and tennis couple Andre Agassi and Steffi Graf. Kings co-owners Joe and Gavin Maloof attended Saturday's game in Orlando and were also at Sunday's game.
 
Wow, I had no clue that Peja played the amount of games as the ROCK. Congrats to him. Also, I don't think it's necessary to bash Peja on this thread...theres plenty of negativity everywhere else.
 
KiNgMyC said:
Wow, I had no clue that Peja played the amount of games as the ROCK. Congrats to him. Also, I don't think it's necessary to bash Peja on this thread...theres plenty of negativity everywhere else.

I agree that this thread should remain about his accomplishments, there are 5,000,0000 threads where people can participate in bashing Peja.
 
KiNgMyC said:
Wow, I had no clue that Peja played the amount of games as the ROCK. Congrats to him. Also, I don't think it's necessary to bash Peja on this thread...
Maybe, but in what other thread can a poster compare Stojakovic to Richmond and be on topic?

BTW, 2572 fewer points, 127 fewer steals and 73 fewer blocks (!!!) with one more game played...
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Maybe, but in what other thread can a poster compare Stojakovic to Richmond and be on topic?

BTW, 2572 fewer points, 127 fewer steals and 73 fewer blocks (!!!) with one more game played...

SHOULD they be compared? Was there ever a Webb type player with Richmond that he played 2nd or 3rd option to?
 
Richmond came here as an established star (and starter) Peja sat behind corlis for a few years when he first got here.

Still, saying your stats are not quite as good as Mitch Richmond's during his tenure in Sac is hardly an insult, since his Jersey is hanging in the rafters.
 
atxrocker said:
SHOULD they be compared?
Yes.

Why?

When a thread/news article is entitled "Stojakovic is king of Sacramento era, passes Richmond" then yes, in my opinion, it opens the door to comparison. I believe that comparing Stojakovic to Richmond becomes fair game at that point.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Yes.

Why?

When a thread/news article is entitled "Stojakovic is king of Sacramento era, passes Richmond" then yes, in my opinion, it opens the door to comparison. I believe that comparing Stojakovic to Richmond becomes fair game at that point.

The title of the article is clearly referring to Stojakovic passing Richmond in number of games played as a King, hardly comparing talent,points or roles. It seems that these days people take jabs at Peja every chance they get. Mitch was clearly the leader of the team back then, nobody has made that argument for Peja.
 
mcsluggo said:
Richmond came here as an established star (and starter) Peja sat behind corlis for a few years when he first got here.

Still, saying your stats are not quite as good as Mitch Richmond's during his tenure in Sac is hardly an insult, since his Jersey is hanging in the rafters.

Exactly - you beat me to it. I think 2,600 points would have been no problem if he was an established starter from the beginning and played solid minutes like the Rock was.
 
atxrocker said:
The title of the article is clearly referring to Stojakovic passing Richmond in number of games played as a King, hardly comparing talent,points or roles.
The title of the article "clearly" says no such thing; someone who didn't actively keep track of such stats probably wouldn't know what the article was talking about, based solely on the title.

There's no way of knowing that "Stojakovic is king of Sacramento era, passes Richmond" is a reference to games played as a King without reading it. And, like I said before, when you write a news article entitled, "Stojakovic is king of Sacramento era, passes Richmond," then that establishes precedent, fair or otherwise; that opens the door to comparison.
 
atxrocker said:
The title of the article is clearly referring to Stojakovic passing Richmond in number of games played as a King, hardly comparing talent,points or roles. It seems that these days people take jabs at Peja every chance they get. Mitch was clearly the leader of the team back then, nobody has made that argument for Peja.

no, the title wasn't clear. I think it was intentionally unclear. If the title had been clear that Peja surpassed Richmond just in the number of games played, I would have thought hmmm.. interesting, but probably wouldn't have opened the article to read it. As it was, the title grabbed my interest... Peja is "King" of Sacramento era?? Wow, who voted on that? I was curious what criteria were being used.

Either way, comparing Mitch and Peja is interesting if nothing else. Saying Peja doesn't meet Mitch's stats doesn't make a jab at Peja as much as it says what a good player Richmond was. Honestly, comparing ANY two players in the NBA is, at some level, meaningless, in that it doesn't change the value or identity of either player. But, it sure is interesting, and that's what we are here for, right?
 
Oh geez.

We can't compare Peja and Mitch Richmond? Why not?

All it's saying is that Peja has now surpassed the longevity record previously held by Mitch Richmond. IMHO to stop there and not compare the accomplishments of the two would seem pretty silly, especially in this day and age when free agency has just about totally done away with long-term player-team associations.

The title was a play on the name of the team, I do believe. And just for the record? The writer of the piece RARELY writes the title. Those are done separately in an attempt to grab the attention of the reader. Sure looks like it worked in this case...
 
Oh yeah, almost forgot...

atxrocker said:
... Was there ever a Webb type player with Richmond that he played 2nd or 3rd option to?
What about the 127 more steals? Did Richmond get those because he was the number-one option, too? What about the 73 more blocks? Stojakovic has almost half a foot on Richmond.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
What about the 127 more steals? Did Richmond get those because he was the number-one option, too? What about the 73 more blocks? Stojakovic has almost half a foot on Richmond.

then you must have also FORGOT about the additional 16,625 minutes Mitch played as well then. selective memory is the correct term I think.
 
where are you guys getting these numbers?

an extra 16,625 minutes? at 40 minutes a game that would imply Richmond played a full 415 extra games. ???
 
atxrocker said:
then you must have also FORGOT about the additional 16,625 minutes Mitch played as well then. selective memory is the correct term I think.

It's not about "forgetting" anything. You can debate the points without the hostility or attitude.

Thanks...
 
atxrocker said:
then you must have also FORGOT about the additional 16,625 minutes Mitch played as well then. selective memory is the correct term I think.
And, since this is a comparison of their Sac-era numbers only, I hope that by "16,625," that you actually meant "2,964," or did you just transpose his entire career numbers and hope I wouldn't notice?

2,964 works out to a little less than six more minutes a game; do you mean to suggest that Stojakovic could have put together comparable steals and blocks with six more minutes per?

EDIT - Actually, that's wrong, as I forgot to add in this season's minutes. So, in actuality, it's only a difference of 1,815, which works out to just over 3 and a half more minutes per; which makes the chances that he could have had similar defensive numbers even more improbable...
 
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What you say is true, Slim.

But it is also tru that averaged over those 518 games, that averages to less than 0.25 more steals per game and less than 0.15 blocks/game

these are hardly differences to hammer home any point, one way or the other ;) They were/are both fairly flat-footed for their relative positions
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Two things:

1 - The right to compare Stojakovic and Richmond was consecrated by both the thread's and the article's title. If you have a problem with the comparison, take it up with the person who thought that "Stojakovic is king of Sacramento era, passes Richmond" was a perfectly innocent title.

2 - When you can find a thread created by me to talk about how Stojakovic is a bad player, or when you can find a post written by me that lists Stojakovic's shortcomings, which isn't a response to someone either saying that he's the greatest or that he should somehow be exempt from criticism, then this comment will have merit.

When you see a thread like this created by me, then you can say that Stojakovic is my "whipping boy." Until then...

Headline is meant to grab reader's attention and make you want read the article, I am sorry you understood it as "Let's compare Mitch and Peja" title. ABout the whipping boy reference I apologize and that was deleted by VF21, and I had deleted my other post as well.
 
I'm not sure how this became a debate about the players' relative merits. On that front Mitch was a much better player than Peja, but that has little to do with games played.

In fact the player himself has little to do with total games played and this whole article is pretty much irrelevant really. Interesting, but just a marker for longetivity with a team, which really depends on you arriving young and the team/front office not trading you. As so, as in many things Peja, this would really be Geoff's doing more than anything else.
 
kingsgurl87 said:
Good job Peja!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

yay! good job peja! you showed up to work everyday like you were supposed to! :rolleyes:

sorry...i couldnt help myself. ;)
 
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