Kings notes: Artest casts his vote for Artest

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Kings notes: Artest casts his vote for Artest
By Sam Amick -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PDT Monday, April 10, 2006


The way Ron Artest sees it, he didn't choose to spend 24 games on the Indiana Pacers' bench.

But don't think for a second that will keep him from choosing himself when it comes awards time.

Less than a week after saying he should be this season's Defensive Player of the Year, Artest further explained his rationale.

"I didn't choose to sit out the games," said Artest, who was held on the Pacers' inactive list after requesting a trade in December. "I sat out because the team said I had to sit out, and I've never heard of that in my life. But I've been doing pretty well this year, pretty well. And the team's been doing well. I got a chance to make some good things happen here. I don't think I should be like an outcast."

Which, so far, is how he has felt since returning from last season's 73-game suspension. First it was the Olympic team non-selection, as Artest was not invited to this summer's tryouts in Las Vegas. Now it's the awards, of which Artest said he should be considered for more than Defensive Player of the Year.

Asked who should win the MVP, Artest said, "I'm always going to take myself."

Asked to exclude himself, it became apparent that - history aside - Artest is quite the Detroit Pistons fan.

"Chauncey Billups," he said. "Or maybe Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, Richard Hamilton, one of those guys."

Comeback kid

He knows he's not the same.

Francisco García, the same rookie who was rounding into form before an ankle injury derailed his progress, doesn't have to watch the game tape to know there's a difference in his game. He can feel it.

"It's a little frustrating, but I've just got to keep my head up and keep working," said García, who has been back for 11 games since a sprained left ankle kept him out of nine games.

"I think it's more mental than physical, really. I think my ankle's almost there, and I've just got to get the injury out of my head, get confident that I can go places and move the way I was before. That's a big thing."

Before the injury that occurred against Cleveland on March 1, García's game against the Cavaliers was the microcosm of his improved game, as he hit all three of his three-pointers and scored 11 points in the 97-90 victory. But since he has returned, García is averaging 13.5 minutes and 3.5 points, having hit 13 of 31 shots and 4 of 15 three-pointers. In the past five games, he has combined for 45 minutes and five points.

About the writer: The Bee's Sam Amick can be reached at (916) 326-5582 or samick@sacbee.com.
 
Garcia's comment was interesting:

"I think it's more mental than physical, really. I think my ankle's almost there, and I've just got to get the injury out of my head, get confident that I can go places and move the way I was before. That's a big thing."

As he regains confidence in his ankle, I think we'll see more of the old Garcia. And I think it's gonna happen when we need it the most - in the playoffs. Same with Kevin and his bruised thigh.
 
ForlornKing said:
Sorry Ron, but you did choose to ask for a trade.

He had a minor wrist injury anyways. I'm mixed on having him sit out though.

I'll be looking for Garcia to get near to his old form, ditto Martin.
 
I think the additional practice time this week and during the first round will help them both. Whole team, actually.
 
ForlornKing said:
Right, but I'm talking about when Ron said it wasn't his choice to sit out this season.

As I said, Peja asked for a trade...Adelman didn't bench him for it. Ron said it wasn't his choice to sit out and it wasn't. He didn't go to the Pacers management and say, "Trade me or bench me."

A LOT of players ask for trades. That doesn't mean you bench them when they do.
 
VF21 said:
So did Peja.


Wow, amazing that you can pull Peja into an article that had NOTHING to do with him. Congrats!

You are right players often ask for trades and don't get benched but that's probably because they don't go into the stands and beat up on fans and get suspended for rest of the season. They don't ask for time off to promote their rap album during basketball season. They don't backstab a team that stands by them like Indiana stood by Ron through all the hardships and ask for a trade.

Not all players do that but I know one that does.
 
These types of quotes by Artest kind of give me the willies. It really comes across like it's not bravado -- it sounds like he really believes he's the defensive player of the year and MVP. And then you start wondering about his grasp on reality.
 
Deathrow -

Whatever.

It's a true shame that even the slightest mention of Peja brings you back, fur bristling, to his "defense." Instead of acting so self-righteous, look again at the exchange.

ForlornKing said, "Sorry, Ron, but you did choose to ask for a trade." I responded quite simply that Peja did, too.

It wasn't his asking for a trade that got him benched, true. I think it might have been the final straw that broke the camel's back.

The point is it's a very complex situation and one we Kings fans (and former Kings fans who are now Pacer fans) cannot possibly understand.

If you feel better keeping Peja up on the pedestal, more power to you.

Have a nice day.
 
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vj9999 said:
I though you got over that already :)

Just kidding. You're free to hold the grudge for as long as you want.

24 is on tonight!! :)

You know, I wasn't even talking about a grudge or anything. I was simply pointing out that making a comment about Ron requesting a trade was a little naive, considering Peja did the exact same thing.
 
nbrans said:
These types of quotes by Artest kind of give me the willies. It really comes across like it's not bravado -- it sounds like he really believes he's the defensive player of the year and MVP. And then you start wondering about his grasp on reality.

Who cares about his grasp on reality as long as the meds are working for his play on the floor? :D
 
VF21 said:
Deathrow -

Whatever.

It's a true shame that even the slightest mention of Peja brings you back, fur bristling, to his "defense." Instead of acting so self-righteous, look again at the exchange.

ForlornKing said, "Sorry, Ron, but you did choose to ask for a trade." I responded quite simply that Peja did, too.

It wasn't his asking for a trade that got him benched, true. I think it might have been the final straw that broke the camel's back.

The point is it's a very complex situation and one we Kings fans (and former Kings fans who are now Pacer fans) cannot possibly understand.

If you feel better keeping Peja up on the pedastal, more power to you.

Have a nice day.

No, true shame is a fact that you cannot let go. Team has done well without Peja, we are in a 7th spot and yet you feel the need to take shots at Peja.

Classy.
 
nbrans said:
These types of quotes by Artest kind of give me the willies. It really comes across like it's not bravado -- it sounds like he really believes he's the defensive player of the year and MVP. And then you start wondering about his grasp on reality.

I see nothing wrong with an overabundance of confidence, personally. If Ron had played an entire season, as he will hopefully do here next year, he would be among those considered for DPOY...not MVP, however.

Ron is always straight-forward- he will always pick himself first when he's asked who is the best. On the flip side of the coin, he will always blame himself first.
 
nbrans said:
These types of quotes by Artest kind of give me the willies. It really comes across like it's not bravado -- it sounds like he really believes he's the defensive player of the year and MVP. And then you start wondering about his grasp on reality.
Well, nobody said that Artest is a normal guy. A lot of talented players think like that, they just aren't naive enough to tell it aloud to the press.
 
Warhawk said:
Who cares about his grasp on reality as long as the meds are working for his play on the floor? :D

Exactly.

And while he might not be DPOY this year, I would certainly put him in the running had he played a full year. As far as MVP goes, he's certainly in the running for Kings MVP.

Bottom line is he's confident of his abilities, he talks the talk AND walks the walk. It's not just hype with him. He does what he says he's going to do.

Remember how many people scoffed when he guaranteed the Kings would be in the playoffs? I don't see very many people scoffing now...

Yes, he's unique. He might be a sandwich short of a picnic.

I don't care.

As you say, it's his play on the floor that matters...
 
The King's declined Peja's trade requests in the summer. Couple month's later, Peja was playing.

Artest asked for a trade in the middle of a season, and the Pacers brass accepted.

How do you play a player that you know you are going to trade.
 
DeAtHrOw said:
No, true shame is a fact that you cannot let go. Team has done well without Peja, we are in a 7th spot and yet you feel the need to take shots at Peja.

Classy.

Oh, good lord.

Poor little Peja. Big ol' mean VF21 is taking shots at him...

What did I say that was wrong? Didn't he ask for/demand a trade? I could have sworn he did, even have AV's column around here somewhere from when he talked with her about it.

It wasn't a shot. Believe me, if I want to take a shot at someone it's going to be a lot more than three words posted IN RESPONSE to someone else's comments.
 
ForlornKing said:
The King's declined Peja's trade requests in the summer. Couple month's later, Peja was playing.

Artest asked for a trade in the middle of a season, and the Pacers brass accepted.

How do you play a player that you know you are going to trade.

Why wouldn't you? Afraid he'll throw games or something?

That was then; this is now. I gave Artest a clean slate when he came here and he's done nothing to change that IMHO. His comment, as stated, was true. He didn't choose to be benched. I am sure he was really surprised when it happened.

This is really a non-issue. My main objection was to your response to a specific part of the article. I made my point; you made yours. I see no reason to keep beating the horse; it quit breathing quite a while ago.

Peace.

:)
 
VF21 said:
Oh, good lord.

Poor little Peja. Big ol' mean VF21 is taking shots at him...

What did I say that was wrong? Didn't he ask for/demand a trade? I could have sworn he did, even have AV's column around here somewhere from when he talked with her about it.

It wasn't a shot. Believe me, if I want to take a shot at someone it's going to be a lot more than three words posted IN RESPONSE to someone else's comments.

You know damn well that it was not just a trade request that forced Indiana's management to sit out Ron. As you said yourself, trade request was a last straw. Your comment about Peja asking for a trade and not being benched makes as if Ron shouldn't have been either.
 
You too.
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ForlornKing said:
The King's declined Peja's trade requests in the summer. Couple month's later, Peja was playing.

Artest asked for a trade in the middle of a season, and the Pacers brass accepted.

How do you play a player that you know you are going to trade.

Is your last quote serious? They do it ALL the time in the NBA. Didn't we play Webber till the last game before the trade? Artest was only suspended b/c of his previous actions, not because of this particular action. Let's say, he never went into the crowd, never said stupid things, this wouldn't have gotten him suspended by most teams in the past, but due to things like the TO suitation this year in the NFL and the Keyshawn situation in the NFL, the owners and GMs are starting to act much differently to trade demands. They are either, trading the individual or punishing the player for asking for a trade by sitting them out (although they do pay them). I think in the new CBA for the NFL, this is disallowed but the previous one it was allowed.

I can't think of specific examples other than Peja where players kept playing even though they asked for a trade but I'm pretty sure it happens and Artest is one of the few cases where the player was not waived or not let play in the NBA.
 
bigbadred00 said:
Is your last quote serious? They do it ALL the time in the NBA. Didn't we play Webber till the last game before the trade? Artest was only suspended b/c of his previous actions, not because of this particular action. Let's say, he never went into the crowd, never said stupid things, this wouldn't have gotten him suspended by most teams in the past, but due to things like the TO suitation this year in the NFL and the Keyshawn situation in the NFL, the owners and GMs are starting to act much differently to trade demands. They are either, trading the individual or punishing the player for asking for a trade by sitting them out (although they do pay them). I think in the new CBA for the NFL, this is disallowed but the previous one it was allowed.

I can't think of specific examples other than Peja where players kept playing even though they asked for a trade but I'm pretty sure it happens and Artest is one of the few cases where the player was not waived or not let play in the NBA.


My mistake.

Why would you play a player that the public and everyone knew, was going to get traded?
 
ForlornKing said:
My mistake.

Why would you play a player that the public and everyone knew, was going to get traded?

To showcase him? Get better offers?
 
KingCookie said:
I see nothing wrong with an overabundance of confidence, personally. If Ron had played an entire season, as he will hopefully do here next year, he would be among those considered for DPOY...not MVP, however.
I understand the way things work in reality, but he really should be getting at least mentioned in MVP discussions even if he's only listed as a longshot. The turnaround he helped usher in (and that's putting it mildly) is actually MORE impressive due to it happening mid-season.
 
I haven't posted much in the last month or two since I got a job but I am thinking I should be voted "Poster of The Year" at the end of this season.

No Artest is not the D player of the year. Keyword here being "YEAR" doesn't matter the circumstances but its really not fair to the players that played the entire season like the ones Ron even mentioned.

Next year I will entertain this line of thinking that he gets D player of the year...

Eitherway I give props to RON, I love his attitude.
 
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