Kings need a player who can score in the paint...

[CaAllDay]

well it happens every game, late in the 4th defense picks up it gets more difficult to make shots, the high % shots are in the paint. You can play inside out off of that, im not sayin we need yao ming all though it would be nice, i just want a capable player, david west, antwan jamision, al jefferson someone..........
jaosn thompson is 6'11 hustle player with zero post game as of now, spencer has post game but doesnt get touches down there. The weird thing is we have shareef as a coach who as a player had about every post move in the book. even if are defense is bad we still could have gotten 5 more wins this year if the offense wouldnt have tanked in the 4th qtr....


lets look @ the teams with rings in recent history
94 rockets hakeem
95 rockets hakeem
96, 97, 98 bulls Mike
99 spurs duncan, robinson
00, 01, 02 Fakers Shaq
03 spurs duncan
04 pistons, wallace
05 spurs duncan
06 heat shaq
07spurs, duncan
08 celtics garnett
09 lakers gasol


big men win, kobe as much as i hate to say it is on the heels of Jordan as the greatest and he couldnt do it without shaq or gasol....

 

[VF21]

But we have a player who has shown he can work in the paint. And yet, for reasons I cannot even begin to imagine, he suddenly picked a time when the other team was in the penalty to quit driving inside...

Now if you're arguing that said player needs to be a big and not our explosive guard, I'd pretty much be in agreement.

 

[sactownfan]

But we have a player who has shown he can work in the paint. And yet, for reasons I cannot even begin to imagine, he suddenly picked a time when the other team was in the penalty to quit driving inside...

Now if you're arguing that said player needs to be a big and not our explosive guard, I'd pretty much be in agreement.

lol! wow really funny... but then really sad that our bigs are terrible in the paint

 

[CaAllDay]

But we have a player who has shown he can work in the paint. And yet, for reasons I cannot even begin to imagine, he suddenly picked a time when the other team was in the penalty to quit driving inside...

Now if you're arguing that said player needs to be a big and not our explosive guard, I'd pretty much be in agreement.

i agree they stopped going to the basket tonight when we got them in the penalty go figure, but yah we need a big man bad. i like jt but he doesnt play a big man game i really think he thinks hes 6'5. this isnt a knee jerk reaction either ive been sayin this since webber and divac. a post player will open up the court for everyone.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

I am starting to think its part of SAR's fault, he is our big man coach. Does he tell them to not work on dunking and lay up's?

 

[bajaden]

Well we've only been talking about this for over a month now, so this is hardly a revelation. Thats why I was pushing for Jefferson. So yes, we need a big post player that can score with consistancy in the low post. If not that, then a player thats a very good defender in the low post. Both would be preferable, but that would be asking for too much.

As far as Tyreke and his jumpshot. I'm sure he's working on it constantly. But even if you can hit it 20 times in a row during practice, its not the same as shooting it in a game. The only way he'll ever get good at it is by doing it. Now if he stood out there an pumped up shot after shot, then I would be upset. But he's not. He picking his moments, and for the most part their all open shots. He'll never be a complete player until he masters that shot. Right now the opposing teams are doing everything they can to keep him out of the paint. If he can hit a few jumpshots during the game it will help loosen up the other teams defense.

If we want him to become the player we think he can be, then we have to live with learning process.

 

[CaAllDay]

another tough L, we need that inside presence, with the emgergence of greene and casspi i think k mart can be traded i think ive seen enough....
The only options i see out there that are realistic is Lee, West, or Jefferson, i'll take any of them but prefer west.

 

[BMiller52]

another tough L, we need that inside presence, with the emgergence of greene and casspi i think k mart can be traded i think ive seen enough....
The only options i see out there that are realistic is Lee, West, or Jefferson, i'll take any of them but prefer west.

I prefer Jefferson. Younger and bigger with a better post game.

 

[Tetsujin]

another tough L, we need that inside presence, with the emgergence of greene and casspi i think k mart can be traded i think ive seen enough....
The only options i see out there that are realistic is Lee, West, or Jefferson, i'll take any of them but prefer west.

West is a rich man's Thompson, Lee is another undersized guy who kinda at one points reminds me of Jon Brockman with the ability to actually score. Which leaves us with Jefferson.


The thing is that Hawes has a vast array of post moves that he absolutely refuses to use for most of the game. Lately, he's shown more flashes of it but still refuses to take it up strong. In a sense he's like Gasol in that way. In a few years time, you never know.

 

[CaAllDay]

West is a rich man's Thompson, Lee is another undersized guy who kinda at one points reminds me of Jon Brockman with the ability to actually score. Which leaves us with Jefferson.


The thing is that Hawes has a vast array of post moves that he absolutely refuses to use for most of the game. Lately, he's shown more flashes of it but still refuses to take it up strong. In a sense he's like Gasol in that way. In a few years time, you never know.

west has way more game then thompson, lee although not great he will be an upgrade. Jefferson alotta post game can he stay healthy..
i couldnt agree with u more on hawes he has all the post moves, i dunno if they refuse to give him the ball down there or he just floats outside to much

 

[Tetsujin]

west has way more game then thompson, lee although not great he will be an upgrade. Jefferson alotta post game can he stay healthy..
i couldnt agree with u more on hawes he has all the post moves, i dunno if they refuse to give him the ball down there or he just floats outside to much

Probably a little bit of both. Spencer sitting in the post clogs the lanes up for 'Reke to penetrate and the allure of shooting a three pointer is too much for Hawes to resist.

 

[Chupacabra]

While i agree with the thread title, what i think the Kings need the most is a player that can defend the basket. Defense before offense. The Kings dont have a problem putting points on the board.

 

[Bricklayer]

While i agree with the thread title, what i think the Kings need the most is a player that can defend the basket. Defense before offense. The Kings dont have a problem putting points on the board.

We do have a problem getting squeezed though, like all perimeter teams. The defense tioghtens, there are no open jumpers. We've got Reke, but the real way to break through a halfcourt slugfest is to have somebody really proficient inside who you can throw it to and just have him go to work. And as much as anything else, we need somebody who uis just consistently, every game out, a force in there. Somebody you can count on.

 

[VF21]

We do have a problem getting squeezed though, like all perimeter teams. The defense tioghtens, there are no open jumpers. We've got Reke, but the real way to break through a halfcourt slugfest is to have somebody really proficient inside who you can throw it to and just have him go to work. And as much as anything else, we need somebody who uis just consistently, every game out, a force in there. Somebody you can count on.

Someone like Webber... or even Lawrence Funderburke.

 

[Aenadin]

Hawes and JT CAN i repeat CAN score in the paint

problem with hawes is he prefers the outside and mid range shots... and doesnt have the strength to muscle his way in but he does get easy run ins when he fakes his big out of position.


JT on the other hand needs to make those easy layups. they can score in the paint

 

[G_M]

Hawes and JT CAN i repeat CAN score in the paint

The issue is CAN vs. do....

I haven't seen much inspiring post play from either one of them. Also, Brick points out the issue at the end of games. Are you telling me JT and Hawes can score in the post when it really counts?? I wish it were true...I just don't see it...

 

[AriesMar27]

The issue is CAN vs. do....

I haven't seen much inspiring post play from either one of them. Also, Brick points out the issue at the end of games. Are you telling me JT and Hawes can score in the post when it really counts?? I wish it were true...I just don't see it...

exactly... hawes can score in the paint but his best games are when he's hitting three pointers.... thompson can score in the paint but thats usually tippin in one of his own misses....

hawes has game but he's a wuss... he has all of the post moves in the world but isnt strong enough to use them. thompson is a clumsy scrub... we nned to make a trade for a real post player, we dont have to tarde thompson or hawes for that player but we do need him.

al jefferson would be a nice option... jefferson and hawes could work. we'd be a weak defensive team but we are already a weak defensive team.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

If we want him to become the player we think he can be, then we have to live with learning process.

+1.

I'll never forget how many crucial shots Kobe missed in his first 3 seasons or so. And they were actually in contention.

It does seem that he'll get plenty of practice while this big man issue remains unresolved.

 

[bajaden]

west has way more game then thompson, lee although not great he will be an upgrade. Jefferson alotta post game can he stay healthy..
i couldnt agree with u more on hawes he has all the post moves, i dunno if they refuse to give him the ball down there or he just floats outside to much

I know this is simplistic and doesn't always equate, but once again, I point out there's a learning process.

West:
1st year: 13 mpg, 3.8 ppg, 4.2 rpg.
2nd year: 18 mpg, 6.2 ppg, 4.3 rpg.
3rd year: 34 mpg, 17.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg.

It wasn't until West's fourth year that he finally got it and broke out into the player he is today. So its not really fair to compare the West of today to the Thompson of today.

However whatever Thompson's situation is today it has nothing to do with the immediate need of the team, which is a very good low post scorer. Which, once again is why I would love to get Jefferson.

One more thing about Thompson. In a fair world he would have been drafted by the Sun's or the Lakers or one of the teams that draft at the bottom of the first round. In other words, a good team. He would have been brought along slowly. Not much pressure, and little immediate expectation. By his third year he probably would have found his way into the rotation and would be a more polished player than we see today. But he was drafted by us. The plus is, that he gets something most rookies don't get. A lot of playing time. He also gets something most rookies don't get unless they're the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft, and thats expectations that are sometimes unrealistic from the fans.

If we were able to aquire Jefferson without giving up either Hawes or Thompson, then it would be a better situation for Thompson. Jefferson could start and he could come off the bench as the backup. He might not think its a good idea, but he would be wrong. Less pressure on him and less expectation from everyone else.