Kings Major Roster Overhaul - A Realistic Story

Just to begin I want to preface this by saying that this thread is going to lean a bit on the negative, but it's what I believe is the truth about what this offseason will look like and how I have thought from the very beginning. I'm curious to see if many of you have felt the same way or do now. If you disagree please say why and I hope you're right. So here we go.

If you remember when the season ended there was talk of a major overhaul of this roster by just about everyone, Ranadive, Divac, Karl, etc. I remember listening to Napear and he was predicting a change of perhaps 9 to 10 players, I think Karl mentioned something along of the lines of 7 to 8 players. A few weeks before the draft Karl was interviewed again and he said he definitely planned on change, perhaps something like 4 to 5 new players. Now that the draft is behind us the talk of major overhaul has seemed to disappear and the talk has shifted to what one player can we get with our measly $8 million under the salary cap, who can we convince to come here to this mess? So here are the moves I think will be made.

Signing Rajon Rondo (1-Year, $7 million): This will take most of our cap space, but he is a big name so he should get it, that's how it works. It's a perfect Kings move simply because it's a bad move. However it's realistic because nobody else wants this guy, can you blame them? He might be the guy with the worst attitude in the entire league and coming off a bad injury. You saw the results last year, hardly played well at all, shot even worse than before if that is possible, and he certainly didn't endear himself to his teammates. His best years are when he played with 3 hall of fame caliber players, hard to believe I know. Now even though we are trying to build something here in Sacramento we will sign a guy who is using us for one year to get his career back on track and best case scenario is he actually does better than expected and then packs his bags at the end of the year and we end up with nothing, big win for us!

Re-sign Omri Casspi (3-Year, $9 million): Just a note, my salary numbers won't be perfect, I'm ballparking it here, I figure with exemptions I should be close. Not a new player, he wants to stay, I'm not sure he is one of Karl's first choices, but he can get something out of him. Not a new player so this really isn't part of a roster overhaul at all. He will get some bench minutes, but that's about it, probably will play much less than last year.

Signing Quincy Acy (1-Year, $1 million): He likes it here, he is an energy guy, a poor man's Kenneth Faried so it has to work. Not a big risk and not a big splash, he will get spot minutes on some nights. Perhaps his best use will be in practice where he can bring energy and get effort from guys who actually will play in games.

Here is how I see our lineups at the start of the season.

PG: Rajon Rondo - I don't know if he'll earn it, but the name gets him the job.
SG: Ben McLemore - Hopefully he continues to improve, there is no one else.
SF: Rudy Gay - Goes back to his normal position because of my next note on Thompson.
PF: Jason Thompson - Wins back his starting job by coming into camp in amazing shape and performing well in the preseason just like every year. He will lose this job during the season at some point also just like every year.
C: DeMarcus Cousins - Obviously.

PG: Darren Collison - Will play with Rondo a lot, but either way here is a big improvement over Andre Miller and Ray McCallum.
SG: Nik Stauskas - Who else?
SF: Omri Casspi - Just re-signed him and also, who else?
PF: Quincy Acy - Carl Landry may never play with us again, lets take bets on what body part gets hurt next time. Doesn't matter though, Acy won't play much either, time split among Thompson, Cousins, and Cauley-Stein.
C: Cauley-Stein - Should start with Cousins, but will come off the bench because Karl doesn't like playing rookies and Thompson will look amazing in preseason. He may start at some point during the season when Thompson falls off if Karl isn't too stubborn.

I'll finish off here by listing scenarios that have been mentioned, but won't happen and why.

Trades in General: The Kings are simply not an aggressive trading team, never have been, never will be for whatever reason. More importantly, what are they going to trade? Cousins is staying for sure and I would think Gay is as well. If they decide to trade Gay then they are going to have some serious scoring issues and I don't think his value around the league is as high as a lot of people like to think anyway. We just used our first round pick and there is virtually no value for McLemore and Stauskas, trades just aren't possible.

Danny Green: Perfect fit for sure, not a chance it happens. He will probably get something along the lines of $7 million to $10 million so he might be out of our price range anyway, but if even if he isn't there is a lot of demand for him around the league, he can choose his destination. He wants to play for a winner in a stable situation, he gets neither here.

Monta Ellis: Not a perfect fit, but a good one in Karl's system, but it doesn't matter either. I can copy and paste the above about Green as it applies here as well.

Jeremy Lin: Not impossible actually, but if we sign Rondo there is no need and no money. If we don't sign Rondo this could work. He is somewhat local and his value has gradually dropped from his famous days with the Knicks. He is a decent backup PG who we would have to overpay, which makes it realistic, if Rondo doesn't happen look for this one to happen.

Wesley Matthews: I'll make this quick, not enough money.

The bottom line is this, we won't be making any signings for awhile, players are holding out for more money and better situations right now and that will take some time. The Kings are going to have to settle for scraps, it's just the truth. Best case a good player way overvalues himself, holds out too long, and the Kings are the only team left with money so he has to come here. Most likely near the end of free agency the Kings pick up a player or two who are fringe NBA players, but can lightly contribute with something, maybe they can shoot well. Hopefully Karl can get more out of these players than what would be expected.

I apologize for the negative spin of this, it's just what I think will happen. What do you think, am I on the mark here or way off base?
 
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SF: Omri Casspi - Just re-signed him and also, who else?

Trades in General: The Kings are simply not an aggressive trading team, never have been, never will be for whatever reason. More importantly, what are they going to trade? Cousins is staying for sure and I would think Gay is as well. If they decide to trade Gay then they are going to have some serious scoring issues and I don't think his value around the league is as high as a lot of people like to think anyway. We just used our first round pick and there is virtually no value for McLemore and Stauskas, trades just aren't possible.

Two things. First, I don't understand the "who else" level of resignation toward Omri. He looked really good under Karl, and would seem to thrive in that system Omri is no starter, but he is very serviceable as a guy playing 15-20 minutes per night for Karl.

I also disagree with your trade assessment for two reasons. First, I am not sure how we have never been an aggressive trading team. All of our biggest moves have been by trade (for good or bad). Good- Richmond-Owens, Webber-Richmond, Christie-Corliss, Bibby-JWill, Artest-Peja, Rudy for spare parts. Bad- Webber for spare parts, Reke-Vazquez, etc… Many of the biggest parts this franchise has ever had (with the exception of Vlade, Peja, and Boogie) have been acquired by trade. Likewise, some of our worst moves have been trades. To say this franchise has never been an aggressive trading team is not accurate, especially less than two years after the Rudy trade.

More importantly- who cares what this team had done in the past as far as trades go. Vlade has been on the job a few months. Frankly, I don't care what Petrie and PDA did- that has zero impact on Vlade. Vlade has already said that trades will be his primary tool for working on the roster this year.
 
If you can't find a reason to be a little optimistic about the coming season then... might as well add in that tidbit about the meteor falling on Sacramento and ending all of our lives.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: this offseason is do or die as far as building around Cousins - and it will take very clever trades and a lot of luck to right the ship based on our limited assets.

So far, we're off to quite a rough start: with continued coaching/front office turmoil and no roster changes thus far outside of the lone draft pick that league policy provided us with. One could argue that we were passive in the draft for a team needing to rebuild - don't mistake activity for results: we needed more talent and this was by all accounts a good draft. And now, free agents are going everywhere but Sacramento at ridiculous prices (excluding San Antonio, who is getting more than fair value for their FA's). And can you blame them?

I'm still hopeful for some miracles - maybe we pull off some fantastic trades. Maybe our dumpster diving for talent finally yields a diamond in the rough. Maybe we don't overpay a tier 3 role player, let alone sign one.

Ugh.
 
Kings still have serious problem - only two big men sure to be effective from Day 1, even if one of them is Boogie. WCS is question mark at best, cause he's a rookie. Landry, Acy, Evans or Hollins as 4th big, who might have to become 3rd, is pathetic for PO team. Vlade put "Rudy at 4" out there, but so far it's not clear, who they are going to run at 3, since the only known target among forwards seem to be Omri. Unless they believe, they can poach Chandler from Denver, there's no clear target.

PO team cannot rely on Nik Stauskas to massively improve either.

Casspi is all, but locked into Room Exception at this point.

Kings should be able to acquire Rondo and Stuckey using cap space.

Problem is that Pacers don't have any rights to Stuckey, so he must be signed via cap space, no chance for S&T, if it's non-min salary, which it would be. And Rondo might have all-time low value, but he's still getting more than MLE: say, $5.5-6 million/1 year or $11-12 million over 2 years (PO for 2nd year) for Rondo, which leaves something like $8.5-9 million over 2 years(PO for 2nd year) or $13-14 million over 3 years for Stuckey.

Given Nets new-found frugality they will absolutely trade Alan Anderson in a S&T for 3 non-guaranteed contracts, if Kings are willing to give him up to $4 million. Anderson is a quality role player, who provides very good depth at 2 and has some size to swing to 3.

It's clear FO has every intention to find 1 minimum salary wing, given SL roster composition.

Who is that decent big to add depth, and how Kings are going to acquire him, that's the question of the off-season to me. Landry's contract with sweeteners must be used for that, it seems.

P.S. Carroll for $15 million and the need to re-sign Lou Will now that Vasquez is gone means Amir Johnson is out of Toronto. Thing is his Bird rights probably have to be renounced, before Raptors can offer money to Carroll, so no S&T will probably be available, unless it can be agreed upon before the end of Moratorium.

P.S. #2 With Splitter moving to Atlanta, Green locked in, Spurs must keep his cap hold, and Aldridge likely moving to San Antonio, CoJo is probably on the move.
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: this offseason is do or die as far as building around Cousins - and it will take very clever trades and a lot of luck to right the ship based on our limited assets.

So far, we're off to quite a rough start: with continued coaching/front office turmoil and no roster changes thus far outside of the lone draft pick that league policy provided us with. One could argue that we were passive in the draft for a team needing to rebuild - don't mistake activity for results: we needed more talent and this was by all accounts a good draft. And now, free agents are going everywhere but Sacramento at ridiculous prices (excluding San Antonio, who is getting more than fair value for their FA's). And can you blame them?

I'm still hopeful for some miracles - maybe we pull off some fantastic trades. Maybe our dumpster diving for talent finally yields a diamond in the rough. Maybe we don't overpay a tier 3 role player, let alone sign one.

Ugh.

Other than missing on Green, who was always an extreme long shot, I am not sure what you were expecting to happen today. Sign Dragic? Sign Lopez? Sign Matthews? Sign Leonard?

The offseason goal has seemingly always been to add depth at 1, add shooting, and add some depth at the wing. Those goals didn't change because (surprise) the biggest free agents didn't come. We will continue to pursue Rondo, and look for people like Collison was last year- solid, but unspectacular players who can help the roster. If you are disappointed we didn't get Green, Dragic, Lopez, etc…, you need to be prepared for the fact that we won't get Love, Lebron, Jordan, or Millsap either. Our path to tuning the roster was never going to realistically happen today. If you believe otherwise, you don't understand the process very well.
 
Other than missing on Green, who was always an extreme long shot, I am not sure what you were expecting to happen today. Sign Dragic? Sign Lopez? Sign Matthews? Sign Leonard?

The offseason goal has seemingly always been to add depth at 1, add shooting, and add some depth at the wing. Those goals didn't change because (surprise) the biggest free agents didn't come. We will continue to pursue Rondo, and look for people like Collison was last year- solid, but unspectacular players who can help the roster. If you are disappointed we didn't get Green, Dragic, Lopez, etc…, you need to be prepared for the fact that we won't get Love, Lebron, Jordan, or Millsap either. Our path to tuning the roster was never going to realistically happen today. If you believe otherwise, you don't understand the process very well.
Think you misread my post - I was only empathizing on the frustration caused by seeing FAs go elsewhere. With $8m in cap space, there's not much we can do and not expecting much. At this point, "legal creativity" and aggressiveness on the trade front as well as luck in dumpster diving and signing lower tier guys (for reasonable amounts) is all we've got left...
 
Two things. First, I don't understand the "who else" level of resignation toward Omri. He looked really good under Karl, and would seem to thrive in that system Omri is no starter, but he is very serviceable as a guy playing 15-20 minutes per night for Karl.

I also disagree with your trade assessment for two reasons. First, I am not sure how we have never been an aggressive trading team. All of our biggest moves have been by trade (for good or bad). Good- Richmond-Owens, Webber-Richmond, Christie-Corliss, Bibby-JWill, Artest-Peja, Rudy for spare parts. Bad- Webber for spare parts, Reke-Vazquez, etc… Many of the biggest parts this franchise has ever had (with the exception of Vlade, Peja, and Boogie) have been acquired by trade. Likewise, some of our worst moves have been trades. To say this franchise has never been an aggressive trading team is not accurate, especially less than two years after the Rudy trade.

More importantly- who cares what this team had done in the past as far as trades go. Vlade has been on the job a few months. Frankly, I don't care what Petrie and PDA did- that has zero impact on Vlade. Vlade has already said that trades will be his primary tool for working on the roster this year.

First off, the "who else" comment wasn't a slight to Casspi, it is an honest question. There literally is no one at that position right now.

As for trades I think it is clear that the Kings don't have a reputation as being active in trades, there are many teams that make many more moves than the Kings do. You do list some important trades to be sure and that is what it's going to take to fix this team. However you listed 8 trades in around a 15 year timeline, that's not super active.

Finally, you are correct that Divac has said that trades will be his primary tool for overhauling the roster, that is my exact point. He said that just as Karl said we would be seeing 7 to 8 new players on the roster. We have been hearing all offseason that this roster isn't talented enough and that's why they will overhaul it, but talk is cheap, I see no overhaul, I don't see how they can overhaul. So what are we left with, the same team that apparently isn't talented enough. I'm a fan, I will always start with optimism and hope, but so far we have been fed a lot of false hope and no results. We have to be bold, we are stuck in a tough place. We may have a budding superstar and a borderline all-star as a complimentary piece, but nothing else. They can't do it alone and it gets frustrating when the only obvious options are perhaps trading one of them to get some assets to get things moving again or be stuck and just waiting for them to leave because we can't get them help.
 
If you remember when the season ended there was talk of a major overhaul of this roster by just about everyone, Ranadive, Divac, Karl, etc. I remember listening to Napear and he was predicting a change of perhaps 9 to 10 players, I think Karl mentioned something along of the lines of 7 to 8 players. A few weeks before the draft Karl was interviewed again and he said he definitely planned on change, perhaps something like 4 to 5 new players. Now that the draft is behind us the talk of major overhaul has seemed to disappear and the talk has shifted to what one player can we get with our measly $8 million under the salary cap, who can we convince to come here to this mess? So here are the moves I think will be made.

First, this recap you did at the beginning of your post is very helpful. So often we forget what transpired only a few months ago.
Second, the spirit, if not the exact specifics of your analysis, is probably correct. Unfortunately, the Kings are left with the scraps. I'd rather for them go after character-hustle guys than Rondo types, but I'm not holding my breath on that.
 
It is July 1. The first day of the new NBA year. Give it a little time before writing off the entire offseason and saying "you have seen no overhaul…"
 
First, this recap you did at the beginning of your post is very helpful. So often we forget what transpired only a few months ago.
Second, the spirit, if not the exact specifics of your analysis, is probably correct. Unfortunately, the Kings are left with the scraps. I'd rather for them go after character-hustle guys than Rondo types, but I'm not holding my breath on that.

Thanks Kingster! You've definitely picked up what I'm trying to say, I probably should have emphasized that paragraph a little more. Even though the offseason just started and we have done nothing doesn't mean we won't do anything, but my point is that the officials of the team had already begun to backtrack and lower expectations before this offseason even started. You can tell that they had some big ideas and those ideas appear to not be materializing, perhaps they should have spoken more realistically early on instead of getting our expectations up.

I also agree with you on the Rondo thing, I have been against that move since last year's trade deadline. Rondo is a bad guy, not a leader, not a good teammate, and very selfish. He wants to use us to get a big contract when the salary cap goes way up next year. At best he helps us win a few more games next year and then he leaves and we start over again. I don't see any upside for the Kings here.
 
Thanks Kingster! You've definitely picked up what I'm trying to say, I probably should have emphasized that paragraph a little more. Even though the offseason just started and we have done nothing doesn't mean we won't do anything, but my point is that the officials of the team had already begun to backtrack and lower expectations before this offseason even started. You can tell that they had some big ideas and those ideas appear to not be materializing, perhaps they should have spoken more realistically early on instead of getting our expectations up.

I also agree with you on the Rondo thing, I have been against that move since last year's trade deadline. Rondo is a bad guy, not a leader, not a good teammate, and very selfish. He wants to use us to get a big contract when the salary cap goes way up next year. At best he helps us win a few more games next year and then he leaves and we start over again. I don't see any upside for the Kings here.

My guess is that the FO had notions of a large turnover in personnel, but that after talking with GMs around the league, they got a reality check.
 
Good realistic signings at this point would be some combination of Stuckey, Lin, Amir Johnson and Alan Anderson.

Edit: LOL at myself - Amir just got $24 million/2 years from Boston.
 
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Good realistic signings at this point would be some combination of Stuckey, Lin, Amir Johnson and Alan Anderson.

At this point I think even that would be quite the coup. I'm not sure we have the money for it, but if we somehow can maneuver it that would be great.

I think a big question is what kind of second PG is Karl looking for. We know he wants a guy who can play with Collison and a guy who can come off the bench and lead the second squad. However is he looking for a guy who is more of leader and distributor who runs the offense or more of a spark plug who can score in bunches and make the opposing team backpedal? Lin is more of that run the system guy even though he can score while Stuckey is that quick scorer. Who complements Collison the best? Unless Collison is on the move and we are looking to get two PGs.
 
Lin is better as a backup PG next to athletic shooters/non-creators. Stuckey and CoJo might work together off the bench as two attacking combo-guards. Beverley might be better PG defender on the market, but he's restricted and can't create and bench actually need a creator.
Hopefully Knicks sign Monroe and Afflalo for $25 million and don't have money for Lin. Obviously he wouldn't want to return to LA, and that's probably the two teams, that can give him a starting job.
 
Lin is better as a backup PG next to athletic shooters/non-creators. Stuckey and CoJo might work together off the bench as two attacking combo-guards. Beverley might be better PG defender on the market, but he's restricted and can't create and bench actually need a creator.
Hopefully Knicks sign Monroe and Afflalo for $25 million and don't have money for Lin. Obviously he wouldn't want to return to LA, and that's probably the two teams, that can give him a starting job.
I think we can offer Lin a competing job for starting PG. It might be enough to get him here..along with a 3year contract. I'd just let Lin and a Collison duel it out in practice. I don't think they're thst far off of eachother. It would be a great PG situation, then we could move onto SG or PF.

I'd like to see our team target Bargs.
 
I think we can offer Lin a competing job for starting PG. It might be enough to get him here..along with a 3year contract. I'd just let Lin and a Collison duel it out in practice. I don't think they're thst far off of eachother. It would be a great PG situation, then we could move onto SG or PF.

I'd like to see our team target Bargs.

You must really hate this team. I wouldn't wish Bargs on anyone.

Back to the original post, the following are almost certainly gone:
Derrick "Coke Machine" Williams
Ray McCallum
Ryan Hollins
Reggie Evans (Bring him back as Rebounding Coach. Worth the price of admission to see him in a suit.)
Sim Buhllar (Does he count?)

Omri & Miller are still up in the air if they come back.

Having Eric Moreland healthy is like a brand new player.

Carl Landry just had surgery, and will probably hardly play.

That's enough turnover for one season.

Also some should send Vlade these two links:

http://on.nba.com/10mXeJx

http://on.nba.com/1w0fcKe

It would make our backup PG decision a lot easier.
 
You must really hate this team. I wouldn't wish Bargs on anyone.

Back to the original post, the following are almost certainly gone:
Derrick "Coke Machine" Williams
Ray McCallum
Ryan Hollins
Reggie Evans (Bring him back as Rebounding Coach. Worth the price of admission to see him in a suit.)
Sim Buhllar (Does he count?)

Omri & Miller are still up in the air if they come back.

Having Eric Moreland healthy is like a brand new player.

Carl Landry just had surgery, and will probably hardly play.

That's enough turnover for one season.

Also some should send Vlade these two links:

http://on.nba.com/10mXeJx

http://on.nba.com/1w0fcKe

It would make our backup PG decision a lot easier.
Bargs is actually a good player imo. I'd rather have Bargs on Landry's contract than Landry here on this team... He provides what we need. Stretch 4 who can give room to Demarcus. If he's healthy, 15mins a night would be great for this team
 
The only overhaul the Kings need IMO is the bench....the starting line up looks fine to me, if you can add a better piece in place of a player at the 1, 2 or 4 then by all means...otherwise, keep working on that bench. The team needs to build chemistry and learn to play as one, you can't do that if you want to overhaul your roster every season.
 
We may all be missing some possible benchers who can contribute from the Summer League roster. Some good scoring, defending players in that group of 8 players 6-6 to 6-9 plus Staten and Stockton at 5-11 and HAwkins at 6-2 who all CAN play, if they don't get killed first by some 250 lb screens. Makes the Summer League trip all the more exciting this year at the beginning of stability. I hope.....
 
It is July 1. The first day of the new NBA year. Give it a little time before writing off the entire offseason and saying "you have seen no overhaul…"

Gonna go ahead and LOL at the hand wringing over the lack of overhaul on the roster. This good enough for you? We clear enough old blood? Turns out we didn't have to wait past July 1 after all!

Not picking a fight, just some good natured teasing since none of us saw this move coming (or know where it is going). Safe to say you might get your 8 new faces.