[Game] Kings @ Heat 2/21/12
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PurpleHaze
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From a very competetive game to getting blown out. More disappointing than feel good IMO.
Quite a bit. IT played 36 mins and Reke+Thornton played 42+ each. I imagine most of that was playing together
Glenn
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Duh! Picture facepalm. Considering that, I'm surprised the loss wasn't worse although perhaps the Heat weren't working too hard. I know Thornton played 24 minutes in the first half. It was difficult to take the guards out as they were the ones scoring. Granted they probably allowed as many but .... it was the Heat.
I loved Jerry's comment on Hassan. He was asked what Hassan was missing and Jerry said "other than shot blocking, everything."
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I hate it as well. If Smart got creative, he could get all three guys 30+ mins from the 2 guard spots very easily+ maybe 5-6 mins of a 3 guard lineup. Playing it the whole game is recipe for disaster on defense as we've seen the past 3 games
Section 101
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I'd like to see him get a few 5 mins stretches when we go to zone. Tell him to play the post and only shoot open shots.
Glenn
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Because we don't have a legitimate SF, I think this is the best you can do with what we have other than starting Donte which seems obvious. Not sure what difference that would make. Less offense and more defense and the same loss, I think.
rainmaker
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Yes it is. Or at a minimum, make sure whoever is playing pf and c with the three guards is actually a pf or c. At one point we had the three guards, Donte at the 4 and Chuck at the 5. Yes we looked good on offense, but got killed inside and on defense.
Smart has slowly weaned off the PT for most of the off-season moves. I don't have much a problem with any of that, but it is pretty telling of how much the FO screwed the pooch. Donte getting PF minutes over Hickson. Salmons out of the starting lineup. Hayes playing a limited role and Jimmer a situational shooter.
Glenn
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The FO can "fix" a lot of these problems with the right kind of guys and THAT is what keeps me interested. I just hope they don't do what they did last summer.
I'm willing to look past the moves because they at the time made sense for our current team construction. NO ONE thought Salmons/Hickson/Hayes/Jimmer would be this bad and unfortunately, they make up most of our core role players.
rainmaker
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A few did. But were killed for thinking it. I don't think the moves made sense at all. I do think however Jimmer will be fine. Not worried about him.
Well I thought Hickson and Salmons would be this bad. Hayes has been injured, but he's not exactly a spectacular player to begin with so his production doesn't surprise me either. Jimmer losing confidence is the only surprise.
Am I saying I should be a GM? No, because I figured this stuff out with a little online research at the time of each move. What I am saying is that the Kings FO is undermanned, out of touch and full of too many yes men and tiredvoices. The game has changed. They're still operating in the past.
Hickson isn't even happy to be here. We're not happy he's here either!
Acquiring a 22 year old 14-8 big for Casspi (just as ****ty) and a protected 1st rounder was not a bad move (at the time). Bringing in a high b-ball IQ, defensive leader in Chuck Hayes was not a bad move (and still isn't) Resigning a scorer like Thornton on a nice contract was not a bad move. Salmons is and was always a stupid deal.
Anyway, the point is in theory, we brought in a lot more talent than we're getting production from. Salmons/Hayes/Hickson were all major contributors to their respective clubs last year and have regressed in a big way. You simply can't put that all on the FO
Not necessarily. Hickson we lost Casspi and our first rounder either this year or next year(most likely next year) so those were valuable assets, Salmons we will have to amnesty to get rid of(even then we may not be able to spend the extra money because do the Maloofs really have an extra 7 mill to spend every year?), Hayes move was alright, and I still think Jimmer will turn out to be a good player for us. But Casspi was atleast an asset, and to be honest the Casspi/Donte platoon we had at the 3 the last few years was better than the Donte/Salmons/Outlaw/Cisco group we have now. Outlaw was anothe waste of money, the 3 mill could've been better spent elsewhere and we are stuck with him the next 4 years I think. The moves we made for the most part were a big disaster.
So you're blaming it on coaching or what? Because if you are, we could've gotten a better coach and we chose to stick with Westphal with the foresight to acquire Smart because PW MIGHT get fired later on, effectively making him a lameduck coach. That's on the FO too. Westphal's system wasn't much of a system, so the few high bball IQ guys we did have(like Beno) were real valuable on offense.
Not really, we could've used the ability to trade our pick for an actual good player. Now that we suck this bad we might as well keep it and draft 1 of this year's talented rookies, but when we still had a chance to make some progress and be a winning team...
Glenn
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I've always said the moves last summer were a disaster. I think they can be corrected and better be. That's all I'm saying and don't understand how you can disagree. Bodies can be traded. People can be let go or amnestied. People can be drafted and FAs can be signed. The thing that will stop this is the ownership.
rainmaker
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JJ sucks. Who cares about his numbers. If you scouted him as an organization you'd know he sucks. Adding a pick to that was ludicrous. Hayes was an ok signing. The problem is though it should have been in addition to resigning Daly or getting another big. But losing Daly, only singing Hayes and then hearing both Westy and Petrie say we don't need to add anything more to our frontcourt is and was a huge mistake. A few said that all along, and guess how its turned out.
Salmons trade was the worst. But getting Outlaw off waivers for 3-4M per for 4 years was also very bad. Our FO did nothing right this past off season. And resinging Thornton didn't require much, if anything from our FO. He was restricted, we could have gotten him back no matter what.
To top that all off, that pick we included in the trade for Hickson can't be traded until draft day. That's a very valuable pick in a deep draft we can't use coming up on the deadline. Might not seem like much, until you consider Rondo is on the market, Bos wants picks, and our pick + MT + JT might sound good to them. Maybe not, but we don't even have that option now.
And retaining Westy was also on Petrie.
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I blame it on everyone. FO, players not performing, coaching being subpar for so long.
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