[Game] Kings @ Grizzlies - 1/30/16 - 5 PT, 8 ET

[biltalent]

I won't go through this game again, so I won't be able to disprove your point.
I personally felt, that the team had a different kind of energy in the 4th.

But ultimately it doesn't really matter, if the defensive struggles are a coaching thing or a lack of effort. The fact remains, that teams get warmup jumpers everytime they face the Kings. The Grizzlies are not a great shooting team, but even Lee, Carter and Green will knock down jumpshot after jumpshot, if you leave them on an island.

I just can't believe, that any coach would want this kind of defense by design. Players are guarding empty space, are ballwatching, blow assignments, fall asleep and nobody really goes hard on every play.
You need a very grim sense of humor, when watching us defend.
DC guarding Green fullcourt, only to have Acy step right out of Greens way to allow the easy layup?? Cmon now.
3 Kings guarding 2 Grizzlies on one side of the floor, while Green literally could have ordered a burger and a beer before launching his 3 from the opposite wing? By design?
Cuz, Willie AND Acy all reacting to Chalmers driving to the hoop, only to leave Green (Acy's assignment on the wing) open for another 3? Karl's fault?
Rudy caught ballwatching and not even trying to fight over a soft brush screen from Gasol, only to cause a 2vs1 situation for Ben, who needs to pick his poison leaving Green or Lee wide open for a 3? Not an effort thing?

And this are only the biggest defensive mistakes I as a fan noticed during this game.
I hate watching this kind of crap.
I just want a team, that competes on the defensive end.

Not arguing your point. Its a combination of bad scheme leading to bad effort and vice versa

 

[dude12]

How about George holding players accountable for defensive effort? He lets them get away with it.

 

[KingsFanGER]

How about George holding players accountable for defensive effort? He lets them get away with it.

I agree, but some players are pretty much untouchable, because our offense depends so much on them (Rondo, DMC, Rudy). And there are some guys, that get minutes based on their hustle (Acy, Curry ealier in the season). Willie managed to increase his minutes after his injurie with solid defense and hustle.

The case of Marco Bellinelli is what's really concerning.

 

[Boogie_Fever]

So what changed in the 4th? Our defensive strategy?

They were just missing open shots

 

[biltalent]

How about George holding players accountable for defensive effort? He lets them get away with it.

This. I don't get the "coaches can't control effort, players do" excuses. Of course the players are the ones to not put in the effort and not fight through screens etc. Consequently, they should be blaimed. But if they don't play hard the coach is to blame as well because he should get them to do so.

 

[KingMilz]

In 10 years we have not been able to find a team with basic basketball iq that gives consistant effort most games. That's pretty amazing it's actually hard to cheer for these teams not cause of the losing just lack of not trying.

 

[Larry89]

Cousins is also terrible at pick and roll defense

 

[kingsboi]

In 10 years we have not been able to find a team with basic basketball iq that gives consistant effort most games. That's pretty amazing it's actually hard to cheer for these teams not cause of the losing just lack of not trying.

More than anything, this has been my biggest problem with watching the Kings the last 2 or 3 seasons. Effort & heart just lacks consistently. It only comes in small doses, enough to give you a high but then you're back down to earth again itching for the next high.

 

[sono]

In 10 years we have not been able to find a team with basic basketball iq that gives consistant effort most games. That's pretty amazing it's actually hard to cheer for these teams not cause of the losing just lack of not trying.

It's not surprising to see the Kings lose to 76ers and next day beat a solid playoff team.

 

[206Fan]

Cousins is also terrible at pick and roll defense

I think people really over-look this...but he's a god-awful PnR defender. I think it's just another check mark on lists of things the Kings suck at.

 

[Bricklayer]

How about George holding players accountable for defensive effort? He lets them get away with it.

On this team I don't know how he could hold them accountable -- in favor of who?

A game after Willie refused to guard Ryan Anderson at the three point line, we had both Acy and Anderson, two of our other people who at least might care on that end, blatantly run off and leave Jeff Green wide open out there for splashes. Its pretty remarkable really.

 

[KingMilz]

More than anything, this has been my biggest problem with watching the Kings the last 2 or 3 seasons. Effort & heart just lacks consistently. It only comes in small doses, enough to give you a high but then you're back down to earth again itching for the next high.

I'm not even asking for a competitive team ethier all I'm asking is for guys to actually compete it's amazing in 10 years you can't get 5-8 guys at one time capable of doing this without taking months/weeks off not doing so.

 

[kingsboi]

I'm not even asking for a competitive team ethier all I'm asking is for guys to actually compete it's amazing in 10 years you can't get 5-8 guys at one time capable of doing this without taking months/weeks off not doing so.

It goes right back to what I've been preaching from the get go....this organization cannot shake that loser mentality it has hovering over their heads. It's a hard thing to do. Hell, look at Minnesota, they haven't been in the playoffs for 10 seasons, make that 11 after this one.

 

[VF21]

It goes right back to what I've been preaching from the get go....this organization cannot shake that loser mentality it has hovering over their heads. It's a hard thing to do. Hell, look at Minnesota, they haven't been in the playoffs for 10 seasons, make that 11 after this one.

This is incorrect. "This organization" isn't the Maloofs. "This organization" has only been around since 2013/2014. And, if you consider the turnover in front office personnel, they don't even have a full season under their belt yet.

If you want to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. I have faith we are truly headed in the right direction. To continue to point fingers at the last years of the Maloof's control as indicative of our current status is just wrong.

 

[kingsboi]

This is incorrect. "This organization" isn't the Maloofs. "This organization" has only been around since 2013/2014. And, if you consider the turnover in front office personnel, they don't even have a full season under their belt yet.

If you want to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. I have faith we are truly headed in the right direction. To continue to point fingers at the last years of the Maloof's control as indicative of our current status is just wrong.

Maloofs? who said anything about the maloofs? They continue to have that loser mentality and it starts with Vivek's meddling, to Vlade's inexperience to Karl's incompetency on coaching to his players strengths. This does not solely fall on the Maloofs....I understand they are heading in the right direction and all, but do you consider in the right direction finishing the season with 35 wins and not making the playoffs?

 

[VF21]

Maloofs? who said anything about the maloofs? They continue to have that loser mentality and it starts with Vivek's meddling, to Vlade's inexperience to Karl's incompetency on coaching to his players strengths. This does not solely fall on the Maloofs....I understand they are heading in the right direction and all, but do you consider in the right direction finishing the season with 35 wins and not making the playoffs?

1. Vivek's meddling is pretty much in the past.
2. Vlade's inexperience? Seriously? That's so absurd as to defy response.
3. George Karl's incompetency? He's not incompetent. That's the problem. He could be described as intractable or set in his ways, but he's not incompetent. If anything, I suspect he thinks he can change players and have them develop strengths that will match his game philosophy. That's impractical and possibly egomaniacal, but it's not incompetent. It it were incompetence, Vlade would have already pulled the plug.

If you admit they're heading in the right direction, you refute your own arguments. Finishing the season with more wins is heading in the right direction. At least being in the hunt for the playoffs is heading in the right direction.

 

[kingsboi]

1. Vivek's meddling is pretty much in the past.
2. Vlade's inexperience? Seriously? That's so absurd as to defy response.
3. George Karl's incompetency? He's not incompetent. That's the problem. He could be described as intractable or set in his ways, but he's not incompetent. If anything, I suspect he thinks he can change players and have them develop strengths that will match his game philosophy. That's impractical and possibly egomaniacal, but it's not incompetent. It it were incompetence, Vlade would have already pulled the plug.

If you admit they're heading in the right direction, you refute your own arguments. Finishing the season with more wins is heading in the right direction. At least being in the hunt for the playoffs is heading in the right direction.

Considering the expectations for bringing in veteran players to surround Boogie and having Rondo on a one year rental tells me they anticipated to make a run at the playoffs. Vlade won't pull the plug this season because he does not want to change coaches mid season as it happened last time, hence he will wait for the off season to do so. I don't think the way Vlade wants the team to play and the way Karl wants the team to play meet eye to eye here.

 

[Glenn]

Considering the expectations for bringing in veteran players to surround Boogie and having Rondo on a one year rental tells me they anticipated to make a run at the playoffs. Vlade won't pull the plug this season because he does not want to change coaches mid season as it happened last time, hence he will wait for the off season to do so. I don't think the way Vlade wants the team to play and the way Karl wants the team to play meet eye to eye here.

I think Vlade knew he wasn't putting together a team suited to Karl but is a tad shocked how darn awful it turned out. Vlade is putting together a team that he thinks should work and didn't have the opportunity to pick a coach he likes. There's the rub.

As a bit of an aside, I wonder if Vlade had picked a coach to play the kind of ball Vlade wanted, if Marco would have done better. Who knows? Marco baffles me.

 

[kingsboi]

I think Vlade knew he wasn't putting together a team suited to Karl but is a tad shocked how darn awful it turned out. Vlade is putting together a team that he thinks should work and didn't have the opportunity to pick a coach he likes. There's the rub.

As a bit of an aside, I wonder if Vlade had picked a coach to play the kind of ball Vlade wanted, if Marco would have done better. Who knows? Marco baffles me.

I think it's safe to say that Marco has a bit more leeway under Karl than he did under Popovich.

 

[Larry89]

Rondo has not looked engaged in these past two games