[Game] Kings @ Grizzles, 1/18/13, 5:00 Pacific

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#1
Escaping with a win after struggling for much of the game to a team with only eight victories on the year, the Sacramento Kings take their act on the road for a series of winnable games before OKC decides to embarrass them on their home-court What's that? The first game of this three-game road trip is against one of the top teams in the west? Well poop.

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At the end of the day, a win is a win and the Washington Wizards are certainly better than their abysmal record would indicate, but our recent defensive ineptitude is kind of hard to just ignore. I mean, wow, we have been pretty bad. Just ask Wayne Ellington, Mario Chalmers, Dion Waiters, Bradley Beal or any other of the fine men who have "mysteriously" had career days against the Kings in recent days. I want to say that this is a recent stunning development but we're talking about a franchise that famously let Tony Delk dump a fifty-berger on them (a day that probably extended the man's career by three years or so). Aside from that fleetingly brief span in which Doug Christie single-handedly made the Kings into one of the better defensive teams in the league, this team, this franchise, has never really been known for sterling defensive prowess.

So what do we do? It's hard to consistently win in this league when your opponent's two-guard drops a career high on you on a nightly basis. Our team's stubbiness aside, our interior play and boardwork seems to have stabilized for the most part (amazing what having a bonafide star in the paint will do for your team, isn't it?) which really means that our perimeter players are going to have to face increased attention as opposing teams turn to their guards to compensate for the fact their big men are not Demarcus Cousins. Unfortunately for us, our backcourt boasts such defensive stalwarts as Isaiah Thomas and Aaron Brooks, two guys who opposing teams can simply shoot over even if the dudes were to make legitimate attempts to play defense.

This isn't to say that our good perimeter defenders are completely without blame for our defensive meltdown. While one of the better individual defenders in the league, Tyreke has his, err, lapses in which he apparently comes to believe that there is a rule prohibiting any defense played outside the three-point arc. Salmons is also susceptible to this fallacy at times and always winds up matched up against a SF who is two or three inches taller than him anyways. Francisco Garcia will at times think that he's the second coming of Bill Russell and sink in towards the paint in an attempt to get a block, whether someone is going to drive into the paint or not. James Johnson is capable of playing stifling defense at times and is actually a full-sized NBA player, which of course means our genius coach is going to tie him to the bench.

But seriously, when Jimmer Fredette is your best defensive point guard (No offense, Jimmer!), you know you've got problems.

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AWARD TIME!

TDM- Bradley Beal, aka today's surprise perimeter superstar.
LW-VC- Jason Thompson. One week after I got done praising the dude for becoming a consistent presence for our team, JT has responded with perhaps his worst week of basketball since becoming a King, this week losing minutes down the stretch to Chuck Hayes. When he did enter the game, he wound up either (a) forcing a shot, (b) letting his man score, (c) committing a foul, or (d) all of the above. That'll show me for putting my trust in the man.
SAR- Emeka Okafor, who matched JT's performance by generally not doing anything and getting scored on by Demarcus. Remember when we all wanted to trade for the dude? I think those days have kind of passed. Lost minutes to Kevin Seraphin down the stretch.
JH-ANA- Marcus Thornton. Remember when we all thought MT was the second coming of Mitch Richmond? Well ever since coming back from his injury, MT has been playing like the Rock, the caveat being that he's playing like the crappy shadow of a player who "played" for the Lakers in the twilight of his career. At this point, I really don't seen him remaining on this team past the trade deadline.
WTF Moment- Keith Smart compensates for his propensity for playing his subs for quarters at a time by playing his starters for the ENTIRE second half.

Special Award-
Quincy Douby Bust of the Day- Jan Vesely, who has to this point in his career displayed absolutely nothing to warrant the Wizards picking him where they did. Perhaps realizing their fallacy, the Wizards went and traded for not one but two big men to quietly render the man irrelevant.

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Tonight, we face the Grizz, who are, let's face it, not the Cavs or Wizards. With the best frontcourt tandem in the league and a bevy of complementary outside pieces (like Tony Allen, who is among the best defenders in the league a.k.a. not Bradley Beal or Dion Waiters). To stand any chance of winning this game, we've gotta (a) feed our stars (Cuz and Reke), (b) play good defense for 48 minutes, and (c) not shot ourselves in the foot (meaning no stupid substitution patterns or any of our short guys deciding they're Kobe). The chances of this actually happening? Somewhere between zero and five percent.

But who knows? Maybe Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol will get stuck in traffic and Cuz goes off for 50 points and a bajillion rebounds. I guess we'll just have to watch to find out.

My prediction? Grizz 1365, Kings 100. (Not a typo).

GO KINGS.

EDIT: Randolph out for the game due to a back strain. This helps our chances significantly.
 
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#2
this can get really, really ugly

Griz have gotten blown out in three straight games. Coming home against against a weak defensive team and you have yourself a potential 20-30 pt blowout.
 

Warhawk

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Staff member
#3
this can get really, really ugly

Griz have gotten blown out in three straight games. Coming home against against a weak defensive team and you have yourself a potential 20-30 pt blowout.
I was thinking the same thing. But, that is why you play them!
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#4
Do not fear Grizz fans! Career Nights R Us is coming to town. :p So far this month we've had Ellington, Chalmers, Waiters and Beal. Oddly not respecting the awesome IT/Brooks/Jimmer/MT backcourt Geoff managed to assemble. So I'm thinking Bayles is a good choice. 5ppg scoring average? Check. .370FG%? Check. 30pt night coming? Uh oh. :p
 
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LWP777

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#5
This game has the potential to be a complete disaster. I think we get blown out. Also, it's been a couple of weeks since we've had a Boogie blowup and he typically really struggles against the Grizz. I'm predicting a Boogie blowup tonight!
 
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bajaden

Hall of Famer
#7
This game has the potential to be a complete disaster. I think we get blown out. Also, it's been a couple of weeks since we've had a Boogie blowup and he typically really struggles against the Grizz. I'm predicting a Boogie blowup tonight!
Predicting, or hoping? Just asking?
 
#9
The Grizzlies will surely let out their frustrations on us, then again hopefully our guys have some sense of pride and don't repeat what happend last week at home against this team. I say Grizzlies win 110-98
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#10
Hoping for good games from at least three guys out of DMC, Reke, T-Rob, and Jimmer.

Also hoping that this inevitable loss isnt as shameful as our last game against the Grizzlies.

Final score prediction:
Memphis: 123
Kings: 111
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#15
This is one game that I wouldn't mind seeing Cousins outside more than inside, and then try to find some cutters in the half court. The Grizzlies are bruisers. In order to win the Kings are going to have to run. In order to run they are going to have to play much better D and *rebound* the freaking basketball. No leaking out in this game. Everybody is going to have to go for the ball. Otherwise, they are toast.
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#16
So do you not think he could fill that role?
I imagine Brick is just peeved at the premature comparison.

I however, think you might be on to something (although, I also think this comparison is premature)....If Jimmer hits his ceiling, then he will be a player very much in the Bibby mold. So-so athleticism, decent but not great play maker, but able to put up a lot of points from the PG position.

To be fair, I was never a huge fan of Bibby. Dont get me wrong, I appreciate what he did for us in the glory days, but much like Peja, he was very reliant on the playmaking abilities of Webber and Vlade. We saw Bibby's true colors when GP tried to build around the "Big three"of Bibby, Peja, and Miller. Those guys were not stars, they were all complementary players who could put up a lot of points when the opposing team's defense was focused elsewhere (Webber). I think that if he continues to improve, Jimmer could eventually be that type of player for us...Someone who gives us around 16pts and 5 assists per game, but as a 3rd option at best.

...Of course all that depends just as much on the improvement of our big talent guys (Tyreke and Cousins), and us getting decent coaching, as it depends on the improvement of Jimmer's game itself.



In the meantime, I'm just going to be happy with the fact that he is starting to show that he is actually an NBA caliber player (albeit a bench player), not the bust we all thought he was his rookie season.
 
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#17
This is a big game for Cousins. He's proven he can beat up the little guys of the league and feast on the Aaron Gray/Zeller/Okafor's of the world. It's time for him to show something against a real front-court and have a big game.
 
#18
how lightly people throw aroudn the old names.
It's a fairly apt comparison and I think totally achievable ceiling for Jimmer. Similar playmaking ability, shooting, defense, build, and bball IQ. I was thinking Mark Price type comparison for Jimmer, but a Bibby career path is more plausible.
 

Spike

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Staff member
#19
Hm. I'm curious to see how this plays out. If Cousins stays out of foul trouble, I think we have a puncher's chance, especially if Smart sticks to a tight, but reasonable, rotation (ie not starting with Evans at SF and keeping him there the whole game.)
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#20
This is a big game for Cousins. He's proven he can beat up the little guys of the league and feast on the Aaron Gray/Zeller/Okafor's of the world. It's time for him to show something against a real front-court and have a big game.
I agree with this.

Cousins has had big games against legit frontcourt opponents in the past (Dwight, that huge game he had against Bynum/Gasol), but in those games he was able to put up those numbers because his outside shot was locked in. It would be nice to see him take it to these guys in the paint, but he just isnt there yet.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#24
It's a fairly apt comparison and I think totally achievable ceiling for Jimmer. Similar playmaking ability, shooting, defense, build, and bball IQ. I was thinking Mark Price type comparison for Jimmer, but a Bibby career path is more plausible.
LOL.

Mike Bibby could dribble circles aroudn Jimmer. He averaged over 8 assists a game the first couple of years of his career. He was a very good pure PG. And let's not even get to Mark Price.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#25
LOL.

Mike Bibby could dribble circles aroudn Jimmer. He averaged over 8 assists a game the first couple of years of his career. He was a very good pure PG. And let's not even get to Mark Price.
So should I can my ten thousand word piece on how Jimmer Fredette is going to be a better version of John Stockton?
 
#26
LOL.

Mike Bibby could dribble circles aroudn Jimmer. He averaged over 8 assists a game the first couple of years of his career. He was a very good pure PG. And let's not even get to Mark Price.
Please. I'm simply pointing out that a Mike Bibby ceiling for Jimmer is an achievable goal for him. Bibby was not some outstanding playmaker. He was a good scoring/shooting PG with the ability to create for others when the main option on the team wasn't. Something Jimmer is highly capable of doing
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#28
Please. I'm simply pointing out that a Mike Bibby ceiling for Jimmer is an achievable goal for him. Bibby was not some outstanding playmaker. He was a good scoring/shooting PG with the ability to create for others when the main option on the team wasn't. Something Jimmer is highly capable of doing
He was a very good playmaker but ended up on a team and in a system where we played through our bigs, who btw were arguably the best passing big man duo of their generation. Getting 5+ assists here when playing into Vlade/Webb consistently alters assists numbers. In a system without one or both of them, a high post system based on movement, Bibby would easily have been at 7-8 assists through his prime.
 
#30
ya Randolph out takes this game from being a Memphis blowout to an opportunity for a Kings win. DeMarcus should attack Gasol strong. dont get blocked, go up strong and draw fouls and dominate the paint