HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
Well since Pete D'Alessandro thinks what style of basketball the fans in Sacramento want to watch is so important, even more important than wins/losses, which style would you most want to watch?
Kings Fans: Which "style of play" would you prefer to watch?
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jcwkings
All-Star
The correct answer is to build around Cousins, play good defense, push the ball if possible with the speed and athletic ability of Collison, Ben and Gay. Otherwise slow it down and with Cousins and Gay as your focal points(which is what we were doing under Malone). My hope is that we get Karl because he's a great offensive coach that will know how to best use Cousins and Gay, his teams generally play a faster pace but they aren't like a Don Nelson team where it running for the sake of running with no emphasis on defense. Karl knows how to maximize his personnel. He's also a solid defensive coach, if you remember the Melo Nuggets of the mid 2000's were a very solid defensive team, so were the Bucks of the early 2000's, heck even his most recent Nugget teams were a solid defensive team statistically.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
nailed it
Swaze
Bench
Wrong. With the right roster it has proven to be effective. The Suns got very close to winning a championship and had Amare/Diaw not been suspended when they left the bench after Horry hit Nash they probably would have.
The current Warriors are not a true run-and-gun team either but even if they are close only a fool would try to argue that what they are doing isn't effective.
Run-and-Gun is not right for this roster but that's not to say for some teams it doesn't work.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
What do the Suns have to show for? oh yeah that's right...getting outed in the Western Conference Finals in numerous years because they couldn't defend. The Warriors are fun to watch in the regular season but they are not going to come out of the West playing this way...bookmark this page if you want to come back and discuss this again in April & May.
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SacramentoKings
Guest
I want the Princeton offense back.
kingsnation
All-Star
Run and Gun strategies only work to an extent and based on NBA history, have never proven to be a championship-worthy gameplan. Whether the Suns would've won a title that year, we will never know. But we do know that, up to this point, no true run-and-gun team has ever won a ring.
Every team's gameplan should be built around it's best player. Period. If we don't build our offense around Demarcus Cousins and his style of play, it will go down as one of the biggest missed opportunities in basketball history.
Nelson999
Prospect
Build the roster around Boogie. (add more shooters, starting PF, backup C)
excel in the half court game, play through Boogie in the post
If Boogie grabs a rebound and can outlet to Rudy/DC/Ben for a fastbreak, great theres your fun fast paced basketball.
there is no need to shove this run n gun style basketball down everyones throats. Guess what Pete? WE DON'T CARE. Just get the team winning. we don't care if they aren't setting team scoring records or how fast they run
excel in the half court game, play through Boogie in the post
If Boogie grabs a rebound and can outlet to Rudy/DC/Ben for a fastbreak, great theres your fun fast paced basketball.
there is no need to shove this run n gun style basketball down everyones throats. Guess what Pete? WE DON'T CARE. Just get the team winning. we don't care if they aren't setting team scoring records or how fast they run
Showtime
Starter
One in which our best talent (an NBA rarity which is the All-Star level Center who can put up 20/10 nightly) is best used.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
Our elite big man needs several elite shooters around him to spread the floor and keep opponents from packing it in on him. Notice how some of the teams Kings have been falling to jack threes, making tons of them but when missing shots we run into the lane to rebound inside. Many if not most attempted 3s are long rebounds out of the paint completely. We need much smarter Kings team that realizes this and adjusts. DeMarcus is franchise centerpiece going forward but he's always facing double team meaning somebody's usually wide-open. Kings simply must have high percentage outside shooters to enhance what all Big Cuz brings as the team offensive juggernaut. I voted first option as assume any smart FO, any smart head coach would understand that they need to surround their superstar big man with sharp shooters to get to next level - the playoffs in tough WC.
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KingMilz
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Whatever suits Cousins
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This question is the logical result of being bought out and captained by Golden State refugees, who hire a Denver refugee.
Here's what all that running and gunning has done for the franchises these idiots wish to emulate:
Denver Nuggets all time playoff record: 52-88 Made it past 1st round in 6 of 36 seasons.
Golden State Warriors all time playoff record: 27-37 Made playoffs in 8 of 36 seasons since 1979. Never made Conference Finals.
So no thanks. I'll take a healthy dose of bump with my thump thank you you very much.
Here's what all that running and gunning has done for the franchises these idiots wish to emulate:
Denver Nuggets all time playoff record: 52-88 Made it past 1st round in 6 of 36 seasons.
Golden State Warriors all time playoff record: 27-37 Made playoffs in 8 of 36 seasons since 1979. Never made Conference Finals.
So no thanks. I'll take a healthy dose of bump with my thump thank you you very much.
Kingston Jamaica
Bench
Run and gun is fun to watch, but the simple truth is that defense wins games. The Kings extraordinary start this season was the result of tough defense. The Kings outrebounded basically every team on the way. I don't believe that this play style change will give anything to the Kings. The basics were sound and steady. The Kings had those fast break tools right there. Collison, BenMc and Omri could easily get down the court faster than the opponent. It was just a matter of time to implement that. The problem was and still is the lack of DMC style backup center. I'm afraid that Malone gone will break down the perfect basics.
randymoss1881
Starter
What is this run and gym is fun to watch. I live watching a defensive master piece in football/basketball. It just so happens that that's what wins games.
KingsFanGER
Starter
You can only run succesfully, when you play great teamdefense. So a defensive playstyle and running come Hand to hand. I'm fine with pushing the ball and get into the offense faster, i'm fine with running of of turnovers er missed shots.If you mix a fast paced playstyle with the opportunity to ddominante the half court with Gay and Cousins you become very unpredictable.
Slowing the game down and relying on DMC all of the time won't win it all, cause Teams will find ways to shut down your No.1 Option.
I'm not convinced with a guard heavy outside shooting game, cause this roster is not build for it.
DC isn't Wall, Irving or Westbrook. Ben isn't Thompson or Beal. Wie don't have the tools to play like Okc or the Wizards.
Slowing the game down and relying on DMC all of the time won't win it all, cause Teams will find ways to shut down your No.1 Option.
I'm not convinced with a guard heavy outside shooting game, cause this roster is not build for it.
DC isn't Wall, Irving or Westbrook. Ben isn't Thompson or Beal. Wie don't have the tools to play like Okc or the Wizards.
King Baller
All-Star
I want to see the Kings win. I chose "grind it out ball" Here is what I would like to see:
*) Hire Jeff Van Gundy.
*) Continue with a JVG inspired version of what Malone has started.
*) Stress Defense above all else.
*) Run the game through Cousins.
*) Rudy is the second scoring option.
*) Fast break every time you can which should be often because of the D.
*) You can shoot a lot of threes off of Cousins and Gay drawing double teams.
*) Continue the search for a goalie for the paint.
*) Add a couple of veteran players to help with the bench play.
IMO this is how a team should look when built around Cousins.
KB
*) Hire Jeff Van Gundy.
*) Continue with a JVG inspired version of what Malone has started.
*) Stress Defense above all else.
*) Run the game through Cousins.
*) Rudy is the second scoring option.
*) Fast break every time you can which should be often because of the D.
*) You can shoot a lot of threes off of Cousins and Gay drawing double teams.
*) Continue the search for a goalie for the paint.
*) Add a couple of veteran players to help with the bench play.
IMO this is how a team should look when built around Cousins.
KB
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That's along the lines of what I want to see as well, though Nate McMillan is the coach I always had in mind. It's apparent though that a plan like this will never happen with PDA in charge as GM. We're going to try things his way until they fail and then it'll be someone else's turn and we'll be at the mercy of their basketball ideology. If you go back to that summer after the team was sold, the first guy Vivek interviewed for the GM job after the Malone hiring was Larry Bird but he wanted executive control and a bigger paycheck and had every right to demand them. Vivek thought he could do better with a newcomer he could mold to his liking. So much for hiring people who are smarter than you. I really wanted us to bring in Larry Legend because he's won in Indiana without superstars, with teams that play fundamental defensive basketball. There's the divergent path right there. That one decision set in motion the eventual firing of Coach Malone. I hope it hasn't doomed the DeMarcus Cousins era of Kings basketball.
captain bill
All-Star
Dumb poll.
What's getting lost in the shuffle here is that up-tempo = / = SSOL. Pushing on breaks, initiating the offense quickly, and emphasizing ball movement are all good attributes, and are not mutually exclusive with having a good half court set offense. Kings fans of all people should know that.
(Not an endorsement of this franchises awful treatment of Malone)
What's getting lost in the shuffle here is that up-tempo = / = SSOL. Pushing on breaks, initiating the offense quickly, and emphasizing ball movement are all good attributes, and are not mutually exclusive with having a good half court set offense. Kings fans of all people should know that.
(Not an endorsement of this franchises awful treatment of Malone)
notoriousBEN3
Bench
You know what type of basketball i find exciting? Winning. Winning basketball is exciting. I don't care if you win with a score of 80 or 180, a win is exciting, and thats all i want to see.
There's a reason, why fast pace game good for maximizing your RS success, but produce pretty bad results compared to RS record: as you move closer to the Finals, you eventually meet the team, that will play disciplined offense and take away your transition game, so at some point you suddenly find all those open freebies unavailable. This is actually the reason for Karl's teams being considered PO underachievers. It's actually the other way around as he takes modestly talented, but athletic roster and creates open shots for them just by running and popping open before the defense sets up. This was actually, how Houston survived against Kings in Sacramento by just pushing the ball ahead and creating scoring opportunities before defense truly sets up.
With the advent of the 24 second clock there really is no slow NBA basketball. I would like to watch winning basketball no matter what the style.
I remember watching the U of S Carolina visit the U of Maryland 40 years ago. The Gamecocks were ranked #2 in the country and the Terps would rank in today's "also getting votes" category. There was no time clock then. Md coach Lefty Driesell played ultra slow and deliberate basketball. The score at half time was 10-8. South Carolina got more and more frustrated. They missed easy shots. Their hurry up style was neutralized by some unusual and brilliant coaching. Maryland won in overtime 33-31. It was the greatest sporting event I have ever seen in person except for the 1978 Rose Bowl.
I remember watching the U of S Carolina visit the U of Maryland 40 years ago. The Gamecocks were ranked #2 in the country and the Terps would rank in today's "also getting votes" category. There was no time clock then. Md coach Lefty Driesell played ultra slow and deliberate basketball. The score at half time was 10-8. South Carolina got more and more frustrated. They missed easy shots. Their hurry up style was neutralized by some unusual and brilliant coaching. Maryland won in overtime 33-31. It was the greatest sporting event I have ever seen in person except for the 1978 Rose Bowl.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
A phrase thrown around which means virtually nothing given that Pop has coached them in just about every style over the course of his tenure. Oddly enough, Pop's coaching style has morphed according to what personnel he had available. Strange that.
Iced Espresso
Starter
Compliment Cousins the best you can.
If he is out hopefully run a team effective offense, just keep moving the ball and stop with the isolation, and our guys need to move and rotate better, when we do move the ball its not doing much with a collapsed D.
If he is out hopefully run a team effective offense, just keep moving the ball and stop with the isolation, and our guys need to move and rotate better, when we do move the ball its not doing much with a collapsed D.
King Baller
All-Star
I would also like to see Nate McMillan as the Kings coach.
The Hammer
All-Star
25 and 13 easy in his prime... which is basically starting now.
I just want to win. I thought we were on the right track.
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