Kings Fans "Never Truly Appreciated Buddy Hield" According to Article

[PorchSurfin]

https://8points9seconds.com/2023/02/03/pacers-hield-kings-comments/















This article, and Buddy Hield, are tripping. He is a douche and wholever wrote this article is a bigger douche

 

[pdxKingsFan]

lol. lol. lol. lol.

Buddy Hield is such a guy of high character and we are so happy that he was able to get the revenge game done against the former team that seemed to never truly appreciate what he brought to the franchise.

I can't breathe guys.

Did you catch that? At the end of the video Hield makes sure to emphasize “against my old team”. Hield is keenly aware that Kings fans didn’t want him and that the Kings discarded him as a throw in to the Haliburton trade. In the tunnel after the game, you can hear Hield mocking the Kings new mantra of Light the Beam after the Pacers win.

More like the team traded Haliburton to get rid of his toxic arse.

Problem wasn't Kings fans who of course embraced him until he quit on us.

 

[coolhandluke]

I could trace out Buddy's career with the Kings and point out when exactly things started going south but I don't want to put more effort that what the author put in for the "article".

I'm happy that Buddy and Tyrese could get some of closure after finally getting a win. I'm hoping the "woe is me" articles start disappearing soon. Or is it too much to ask?

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

Is Buddy Buckets salty that his old team will win an NBA championship before his new team does?

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Is Buddy Buckets salty that his old team will win an NBA championship before his new team does?

The reality is Buddy has been in fantasy trade discussions since the moment he arrived in Indy. He has a very specific skillset that is in demand but he is also a complete and total liability on defense and in other aspects of the offensive game that don't involve shooting and has no interest in improvement at this stage, so I think he is milking every positive moment possible to try to land in the most favorable situation for his next deal. Let's not forget, while most considered his Kings contract an overpay and part of the Kings/small-market tax to keep him, he thinks he is underpaid and our offer was insulting/low-ball, and that was the beginning of the end here.

 

[serbiangoat]

I think they appreciate how average/1 dimensional he is/was when you compare him to a legit starting SG in Huerter

 

[Kingz19]

I’ll always be sorry to see Tyrese go. Regardless of how well we came out in return with Domas.

Don’t care about Buddy…even if he’s playing well and no matter how much he tries to bait Kings fans into caring. I don’t care.

I actually liked Buddy through most of his tenure. He simply wore out his welcome…and unless he’s traded next week… I suspect he’ll wear out his welcome in Indiana before too long.

 

[KainLear]

Pfft... you guys.

You gotta let them go through the Honeymoon phase first. We had enough of Buddy, despite him being a generally laidback likeable human, because we had seen his 4/21 games, and we've seen him taking on the dribbling duty in the 4th.

They haven't even had their first birthday together yet. Give it time.

 

[kingsfan101]

Haven't read the article, but honestly, I don't get the Buddy hate.

Clearly I am in a minority here, and expect some strong comments, but even his sharpest critics will concede that he had an elite, in demand skill, didn't miss games, and worked really hard to get himself open.

Did he have shortcomings; sure. We need to remember how dysfunctional of an organization we were, and how so many folks wanted to get out of here. Moreover, before actually trading him, we tried trading him, likely multiple times, and once almost did. The teams, players, and fans all understand that it's business, but if you know your team is actively trading you, will you feel committed?

Think we need to move on, and remember some of the good times he gave us. God knows there have been just a few in well over a decade.

 

[Woot!]

Haven't read the article, but honestly, I don't get the Buddy hate.

Clearly I am in a minority here, and expect some strong comments, but even his sharpest critics will concede that he had an elite, in demand skill, didn't miss games, and worked really hard to get himself open.

Did he have shortcomings; sure. We need to remember how dysfunctional of an organization we were, and how so many folks wanted to get out of here. Moreover, before actually trading him, we tried trading him, likely multiple times, and once almost did. The teams, players, and fans all understand that it's business, but if you know your team is actively trading you, will you feel committed?

Think we need to move on, and remember some of the good times he gave us. God knows there have been just a few in well over a decade.

I don't get the Buddy hate either, but that's mostly because now that he's out of Sac I just don't care enough about Buddy to get worked up about what he has to say one way or the other.

I do think it's unfair to reduce his value to his shooting. He was the best rebounding guard in Sac - a big deal on a team where that was a weakness - and he's averaging 5 boards in 32 min this season in Indy. Respect. He can create some (2.8 apg), almost always plays hard. That ain't beanbag.

I think Buddy's a perfectly decent guy and okay NBA starter whose biggest problem is that he's not as good as he'd like to be and probably will never be accorded the love and respect he wants.

 

[fansinceday1]

All that comment did was guarantee a “warm” Sacramento welcome next pacers visit. I’m buying my tickets NOW so I can contribute.

 

[captain bill]

I could trace out Buddy's career with the Kings and point out when exactly things started going south but I don't want to put more effort that what the author put in for the "article".

I'm happy that Buddy and Tyrese could get some of closure after finally getting a win. I'm hoping the "woe is me" articles start disappearing soon. Or is it too much to ask?

I’ll say exactly where it went south: 2019. He had the best statistical year of his career in 2018-2019 under Joerger which also resulted in 39 wins, the single best Kings mark in the past 15 years. Which had a lot to do with discipline and a clear system that maximized Buddy’s impact while hiding his weaknesses

For that high-water season, Buddy got nearly $100 million and Joerger got canned. And Buddy probably still thinks Joerger was misusing him

 

[PorchSurfin]

It was his very public contract dispute, and holding Vlade and the Kings hostage. He made it all about him and him getting paid, and nobody appreciated that.

 

[joemama]

I never appreciated Chavano.
Never have, never will.

 

[Löwenherz]

I appreciate that he’s gone.

 

[hrdboild]

Considering the team got about 10-20 wins better as soon as he was gone, I think we appreciated him the appropriate amount.

 

[Kingster]

I laughed at the headline. I'm sooooo glad he's gone. We got a jewel in Sabonis and then unloaded the toxic garbage from our team. A masterpiece of GM strategery.

 

[Chupacabra]

Buddy paid for this article to be written

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Haven't read the article, but honestly, I don't get the Buddy hate.
.

I don't get the Buddy hate either,.

You gotta be kidding? Were you guys absent during the Buddy Hield era in SAC?

Seriously, anybody paying attention to the team at that time shouldn't be clueless as to the reasons why Buddy wore thin with fans. Hell, he's been demonstrating the same flippant, ignorant, sour grapes attitude ever since he left SAC which is exactly why were still having this conversation now. Nothing has changed with him. Same crap attitude and victim mentality.

These two below ↓↓↓ seem to have a good pulse on some of the numerous reasons.......

I’ll say exactly where it went south: 2019. He had the best statistical year of his career in 2018-2019 under Joerger which also resulted in 39 wins, the single best Kings mark in the past 15 years. Which had a lot to do with discipline and a clear system that maximized Buddy’s impact while hiding his weaknesses

For that high-water season, Buddy got nearly $100 million and Joerger got canned. And Buddy probably still thinks Joerger was misusing him

It was his very public contract dispute, and holding Vlade and the Kings hostage. He made it all about him and him getting paid, and nobody appreciated that.

 

[SLAB]

Never liked him after “The Trade” learned to kind of tolerate him over time, thrilled he’s gone. Good riddance.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Buddy has been really good in Indiana. He doesn’t have a future there however because Benn needs to start next year. They can probably get a first for him but salary matching might be tough. Haven’t given any thought to his comments as we have been a dumpster fire franchise for years and now we have turned over a new leaf. Baggage is in the past

 

[pdxKingsFan]

It brings back the crap that DDV's agent tried to pull last year claiming the Kings were trying to cheat him out of a good contract by not playing him enough (even though the bulk of his issues stemmed from not playing at all in MIL) and this notion that somehow we underpay stars rather than paying a tax just to keep them. Buddy's contract is still deemed an overpay by most but in his mind the Kings cheated him and that is why he hates Sacramento. We forced him into a corner 3 specialist when that is in fact his best role. We actually allowed him to do more after Joerger left and the results, well... I'll let our record speak to that.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Buddy's contract is still deemed an overpay by most but in his mind the Kings cheated him and that is why he hates Sacramento.

Buddy's contract isn't just an overpay - it's a tremendous overpay.

A simple bottom-line number to have in mind is 3. For a free-agent (i.e. no a rookie scale) contract, a team should expect to pay 3% of the salary cap to get 1 Win Share.

Buddy's 4-year contract was worth, in total, about 75% of the (year-over-year adjusted) salary cap. This means that he should be expected to produce 25 WS for the contract to be of value. Buddy has been more productive in Indiana than he was here, and if he keeps up this level of productivity, it looks like he's going to finish the contract somewhere around 12-13 WS. That means that over the course of the contract, he will have been paid about TWICE what he was worth.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Buddy's contract isn't just an overpay - it's a tremendous overpay.

A simple bottom-line number to have in mind is 3. For a free-agent (i.e. no a rookie scale) contract, a team should expect to pay 3% of the salary cap to get 1 Win Share.

Buddy's 4-year contract was worth, in total, about 75% of the (year-over-year adjusted) salary cap. This means that he should be expected to produce 25 WS for the contract to be of value. Buddy has been more productive in Indiana than he was here, and if he keeps up this level of productivity, it looks like he's going to finish the contract somewhere around 12-13 WS. That means that over the course of the contract, he will have been paid about TWICE what he was worth.

Wow. I've never really seen that logic applied. About how accurate is it when it applies to players who get max or near max contracts? Do superstars actually produce at that level?

Where's Fox in comparison. Also curious about where Barnes and Sabonis fall right now.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

You gotta be kidding? Were you guys absent during the Buddy Hield era in SAC?

Seriously, anybody paying attention to the team at that time shouldn't be clueless as to the reasons why Buddy wore thin with fans. Hell, he's been demonstrating the same flippant, ignorant, sour grapes attitude ever since he left SAC which is exactly why were still having this conversation now. Nothing has changed with him. Same crap attitude and victim mentality.

Alternatively, some people don't go through those emotional peaks and valleys for every single player, and Hield is just a guy.

 

[The_Jamal]

Do other teams players who get traded complain as much as buddy and Hali do? This crap was a year ago, freaking move on. Seem the media is more than. Willing to embrace them talking about to crap on the Kings

 

[hrdboild]

It brings back the crap that DDV's agent tried to pull last year claiming the Kings were trying to cheat him out of a good contract by not playing him enough (even though the bulk of his issues stemmed from not playing at all in MIL) and this notion that somehow we underpay stars rather than paying a tax just to keep them. Buddy's contract is still deemed an overpay by most but in his mind the Kings cheated him and that is why he hates Sacramento. We forced him into a corner 3 specialist when that is in fact his best role. We actually allowed him to do more after Joerger left and the results, well... I'll let our record speak to that.

He was actually given tremendous freedom to handle the ball by Luke Walton -- and that's when the problems started to crop up on the court. As a catch and shoot player he's elite but he wants to be a hybrid guard and doesn't seem to have the situational awareness or the work ethic to justify placing him in that role. To his credit, his shooting stroke has bounced back this season to where it was when he signed the big contract (43% from deep on high volume attempts). He's an asset with that level of shooting proficiency despite his flaws.

If he's upset about drawing more than his fair share of ire from the fans for what were mostly systemic problems in the front office and coaching staff, he has a point. All of us were sick of losing and he was front and center for 4 and a half years of it so that just comes with the territory. His public posturing over contract talks never bothered me. It was mostly his lack of commitment to defense which puts him in the group of former Kings players I don't particularly miss.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Wow. I've never really seen that logic applied. About how accurate is it when it applies to players who get max or near max contracts? Do superstars actually produce at that level?

Where's Fox in comparison. Also curious about where Barnes and Sabonis fall right now.

It's probably not going to hold perfectly well at the margins - players on huge contracts probably do get a bit of an overpay because they are rare commodities, and players on min contracts are probably more likely to exceed expectations. (edit: As an extreme example, at his prime LeBron was dropping 15-20 WS per year, which would suggest that he was worth 45-60% of the salary cap. I don't know that he got quite that much. Lillard is currently being paid like an 11-12 WS player, and over his career he has generally hovered in the 10-11 range, so that's pretty on point. On the other hand, the John Wall contract has been an absolute disaster, but we knew that without resorting to any sort of analysis.)

For the Kings you mentioned (just this year, not going over the whole of the contracts):
Sabonis - 15% of salary cap, should be worth 5 WS, already worth 7.8 WS and on his way towards ~12 or so (massive bargain)
Fox - 24.5% of salary cap, should be worth ~8 WS, already worth 4.6 WS, so on pace for maybe 7 (slight overpay)
Barnes - 14.8% of salary cap, should be worth 5 WS, already worth 4.4 WS, similar pace as Fox, about 7 (decent bargain)

 

[Jc121]

If Duddley was the super star he thought he was we should of been able to trade him straight across for Sabonis.
Everyone thought so highly of him he was a throw in to make the trade happen.

We traded a liked real all star to bring Duddley to our kings and his bitchin on his way out shows how much of a class act he isn’t. not to many ex players will get booed the rest of their time in the Nba when they play here but he sure will.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

It's probably not going to hold perfectly well at the margins - players on huge contracts probably do get a bit of an overpay because they are rare commodities, and players on min contracts are probably more likely to exceed expectations. (edit: As an extreme example, at his prime LeBron was dropping 15-20 WS per year, which would suggest that he was worth 45-60% of the salary cap. I don't know that he got quite that much. Lillard is currently being paid like an 11-12 WS player, and over his career he has generally hovered in the 10-11 range, so that's pretty on point. On the other hand, the John Wall contract has been an absolute disaster, but we knew that without resorting to any sort of analysis.)

For the Kings you mentioned (just this year, not going over the whole of the contracts):
Sabonis - 15% of salary cap, should be worth 5 WS, already worth 7.8 WS and on his way towards ~12 or so (massive bargain)
Fox - 24.5% of salary cap, should be worth ~8 WS, already worth 4.6 WS, so on pace for maybe 7 (slight overpay)
Barnes - 14.8% of salary cap, should be worth 5 WS, already worth 4.4 WS, similar pace as Fox, about 7 (decent bargain)

Thank you Cap. This really puts things in perspective. Fox is understandable given he was worthy of designated rookie status as our best draft pick over a ~5+ year period. Always thought we got a bargain on Barnes which is why moving on from him was always a tough proposition. Sounds like there'd be room to give him a modest pay bump without cheating either party on a 2-3 year deal if we keep him.