[Game] Kings at Warriors

[GameBall]

Then Petrie should be blamed for putting these players on the team? Why aren't you giving more heat to Petrie?

I said it before and I'll say it again. As bad a job as Westphal has done, and I agree he needs to go, since our last playoff appearance in 2006, coaches have come and gone and players have come and gone. The constants since 2006 are the Maloofs and Geoff Petrie. The Maloofs are purposely not spending any money, even though we're way under the cap, because they're waiting for the new CBA to sprinkle magic dust on the Kings and Petrie has put together a team, if you want to call them that, that can't shoot, can't maintain poise under pressure, can't handle the ball, can't win. And they have got to be the most childish, immature team ever assembled in professional sports, I swear. At some point you got to put it on the Maloofs and Petrie.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

they're waiting for the new CBA to sprinkle magic dust on the Kings

Haha that's a great way of putting it.

 

[theclash4u5]

 

[spudfan]

Thanks!

 

[rainmaker]

You CAN coach an offense though. Something we havent had since Mr. Westphal took over.


I'll take it a step further. Has anyone improved at anything since Westphal became coach? Reke is the same guy. Casspi is the same guy, JT is the same guy .. Who is getting better?

I think our offense has improved lately, as well as our defense. We've been more competitive on both ends of the court the last month. Late in games, we lack composure. That's part of the growing pains with having a young team.

I do however think Westy needs to slow down the game form the sidelines, and call out plays late in games. Cousins didn't touch the ball in OT. That's partly on the guards, mostly Tyreke, but also on Westy for not yelling out the play from the sidelines. But he's not the reason for Tyreke leaving his feet twice and throwing it away, or the missed ft's, Beno going behind his back into a double team, or our guys not being able to get a stop down the stretch. We made the mistakes young, inexperienced teams make, and Monta/Curry took it to us on the other end.

 

[LakersStink]

What the heck does record have to do with it? If you whine, you're a whiner. The notion that you should get a pass for it if you have a winning record is pure hogwash.

Hogwash or not, thats how the ball rolls. Same reason why they have that term called 'seniority'. Would you want someone coming to your job on their first day telling you what you should and should not do? Didn't think so.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Hogwash or not, thats how the ball rolls. Same reason why they have that term called 'seniority'. Would you want someone coming to your job on their first day telling you what you should and should not do? Didn't think so.

Personally, I'd be just as annoyed by a 20 year vet telling me what to do as a new guy (I've dealt with both scenarios). If it's not their place to be telling me what to do, then I don't want to hear it. In fact, the vets can be more annoying because you've probably been listening to their **** for years, lol.

 

[steelevt]

What credit should he be getting? I am hardly a basketball mastermind but I don't see many offensive sets being run out there. I do see outstanding efforts from individuals which sometimes leads to close games and the rare win. But with the exception of a few games this year you don't walk away from the games with a feeling that they played solid team ball. In my mind I attribute team play and offensive sets with the coach and when taking our players into mind, high scoring games the credit goes to the players. Using Boston for an example, Ray Allen has HUGE games sometimes which are highly related to the offensive sets run to get him wide open shots. You don't really see that happen for the Kings which is why I think more of the fallout gets handed to Westphal.

so if you are giving credit to the players when they are playing well the first 3 quarters, then give them the blame if in the 4th when they stop running the offense, play 1 on 1, and miss FTs. its not like we build a big lead and he benches all of the starters and plays head, taylor, jackson, greene, and whiteside the whole 4th. its the same players that built the lead that also have been losing it. im tired of people putting these 4th quarter meltdowns or even last minute losses all on westphal. is he partially to blame? probably. but when its obvious that the players are at fault, dont make excuses and blame the coach. there are games when its obvious westphal is the blame, when he leave garcia on paul pierce in the boston game and he gets dominated. or when we have 5 guys that are building momentum and he makes subs. but when u have to hit a free throw to seal a game and miss it, and the team goes and ties it, thats on the players

 

[SacTownKid]

You can't teach someone how to handle pressure - they have to learn it for themselves. That's where experience helps. OT sucked, but they could have easily sealed this game with one more FT.

That's why repetition and knowledge are so huge in a situation like that. You know without a shadow of a doubt what you're doing, pure motor memory takes over. When a team consistently looks lost in those waning moments and the coach is left standing in bewilderment with he himself questioning what happened, I begin to wonder what and or who the real problem is.

 

[SacTownKid]

Then Petrie should be blamed for putting these players on the team? Why aren't you giving more heat to Petrie?

When someone's handed the keys to a farrari and wrecks into a ditch, don't blame the car.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

When someone's handed the keys to a farrari and wrecks into a ditch, don't blame the car.

Unless it's mechanical failure that caused the crash.

 

[spudfan]

so if you are giving credit to the players when they are playing well the first 3 quarters, then give them the blame if in the 4th when they stop running the offense, play 1 on 1, and miss FTs. its not like we build a big lead and he benches all of the starters and plays head, taylor, jackson, greene, and whiteside the whole 4th. its the same players that built the lead that also have been losing it. im tired of people putting these 4th quarter meltdowns or even last minute losses all on westphal. is he partially to blame? probably. but when its obvious that the players are at fault, dont make excuses and blame the coach. there are games when its obvious westphal is the blame, when he leave garcia on paul pierce in the boston game and he gets dominated. or when we have 5 guys that are building momentum and he makes subs. but when u have to hit a free throw to seal a game and miss it, and the team goes and ties it, thats on the players

I hardly said the Kings played well the first three quarters and gave them credit. Just having the lead does not equate to playing well as far as I am concerned. The individual play may work sometimes, but I can assure you playing a more team oriented game will be more consistently successful. No blame on fourth quarter meltdowns have come from me and been put on Westphal.

 

[SacTownKid]

Unless it's mechanical failure that caused the crash.

Hey why not, that's what Paul Westphal seems to think it is everytime he ends up there. hahaha.

 

[mac]

I hardly said the Kings played well the first three quarters and gave them credit. Just having the lead does not equate to playing well as far as I am concerned. The individual play may work sometimes, but I can assure you playing a more team oriented game will be more consistently successful. No blame on fourth quarter meltdowns have come from me and been put on Westphal.

And I agree with you. Most people would. The question is, are we not playing a more team oriented game because Westphal isn't calling for it, or is it just because guys aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing? We've seen stretches where the Kings play solid, team oriented basketball. Then all of a sudden players start going away from it, maybe because of defensive adjustments or something, like Tyreke just decides to launch a random jumpshot. I very very highly doubt that Westphal was screaming from the sidelines "GO TYREKE SHOOT A FADEAWAY WITH 13SECONDS ON THE SHOTCLOCK! GOGOGO BENO GIVE HIM THE BALL!".

If anything, I'm inclined to believe that the coach is more at fault during practices and stuff, for not pointing out the mistakes that our guys are making. But then again you never know, and it could just be the players screwing things up.

 

[Uncia03]

Tough loss....again.

Even though I hate to see our team collapse down the stretch, I don't think that you can ignore the over-all improvements this team has made over the last month or so. They are playing better basketball, and I do feel that it's only a matter of time before they start winning their fair share of games.

One of these days our very young core is going to learn to trust each other and we'll get a win or two, and as they learn from that success they'll get even better.
If we were the Detroit Pistons who blew their capspace and don't have any young star talent, then I would consider it the end of the world, but our team has cap space, two young studs, and a GM who really knows how to get talent in the first round, so it will all come together soon enough.

I have no problems being patient because the future does look very bright, regardless of whether or not a game is won or lost in OT today.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

If anything, I'm inclined to believe that the coach is more at fault during practices and stuff,

They may not be making those mistakes in practice, though. They seem to be the kind of blunders that only show up in crunch time of games.

 

[SacTownKid]

That, or maybe the things they practice aren't translating into anything consistently and substantially positive in a real in game situation? Maybe?

 

[steelevt]

I hardly said the Kings played well the first three quarters and gave them credit. Just having the lead does not equate to playing well as far as I am concerned. The individual play may work sometimes, but I can assure you playing a more team oriented game will be more consistently successful. No blame on fourth quarter meltdowns have come from me and been put on Westphal.

im sorry i did not mean to say you specifically were playing this blame game. my original post that you quoted was directed at those who blame westphal no matter what. i agree that there are things westphal should be blamed for, i just didnt believe he was the main reason why they lost.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Does anyone know the Kings' win percentage in overtime games over the last 5 seasons or so? It seems like they've lost about 90% of them. I don't know if it's really that bad, or just seems that way.

 

[mac]

Does anyone know the Kings' win percentage in overtime games over the last 5 seasons or so? It seems like they've lost about 90% of them. I don't know if it's really that bad, or just seems that way.

Impossible. Even a 17 win season means losing only 80% of games played.

 

[FaStRmAn]

There is plenty of blame to go around. Blame the Maloofs for not spending a dime, for GP for not getting anyone who could help in trade, PW for not coaching to win, or the team for not maturing fast enough. There is plenty of blame to go around. But since we have not gotten any better since the beginning of the season, and no moves have been made at all, I blame Geoff Petrie for not building a winner. There are no pieces on this team that anyone can point to and say, this it our style of play. This is how we run our offense. It really is just a collection of pieces. Some really good pieces and some really not so good pieces. But one thing is certain, this team does not have enough good pieces. This team is a LOOSER. There it is plain and simple. This team has little to no ability to win games. And they act like no one has ever taught them before. They looked out coached every night as well. How does the team come out and do the same thing over and over again? They do not appear to be following any coaching if there is any coaching going on. I am sure that the coach is not teaching them to play like they are scared in the 4th qtr. So the problem seems to be No Talent, No coaching, and No effort. Other than that, Kings are doing just great! They will be lucky to win 20 games. Are there any teams worse than the Kings? And the totally screwed up part is they could have the worst overall record and they still would not get the first overall pick. The lottery was created so that the NBA could make sure all the big market teams get all the real talent in the draft and small market teams get the leftovers. If there are 3 potential star players in this year's draft, the Kings will select 4th. No matter how high the Kings draft, they will never get anyone of any importance in the draft if David Stern has anything to say about it. What a Crook! I'll be glad when that used care salesman retires and order is restored to the league. Right now it smells of deceit and corruption and it always will until David Stern steps down as commissioner. I saw Dick(hed) Bavetta refereeing the game and it reminded me of how bad the Kings luck has been since Bavetta screwed us in Game 5. By the eay, DICK is still giving the Kings the shaft if last nights game is any indication. WOW there were obvious fouls that GS committed that happened RIGHT in FRONT of Bavetta and he acted like nothing happened. Then he called touch fouls against the Kings. Same ole DICK(hed).

 

[Bricklayer]

There is plenty of blame to go around. Blame the Maloofs for not spending a dime, for GP for not getting anyone who could help in trade, PW for not coaching to win, or the team for not maturing fast enough. There is plenty of blame to go around. But since we have not gotten any better since the beginning of the season, and no moves have been made at all, I blame Geoff Petrie for not building a winner. This team is a LOOSER. There it is plain and simple, This team has little to no ability to win games. And they act like no one has ever taught them before. They looked out coached every night as well.

Oh stop it. All of you guys. You sound ridiculous.

This team has gotten MUCH better from the beginning of the season. Blame this blame that..for what? putting together a young team with two young guys who look to be major stars, a ton of cap room, and another high pick coming? Oh yes, woe is us. The Maloofs finally consented to doing it RIGHT. Petrie finally got it RIGHT. I'm not going to defend Westphal except to note that the team has not quit on him yet. If any group has gotten unreasonable in all this its the fans. This is genesis. You are wathcing the beginning of something here. And that is never pretty. But if you watch with the right eyes you can see it coming together.

Or on the other hand everybody can run around and chicken little it because we only play 46 minutes of good basketball now while getting ever closer to winnign these things. I don't understand the appeal of that myself.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Oh stop it. All of you guys. You sound ridiculous.

This team has gotten MUCH better from the beginning of the season. Blame this blame that..for what? putting together a young team with two young guys who look to be major stars, a ton of cap room, and another high pick coming? Oh yes, woe is us. The Maloofs finally consented to doing it RIGHT. Petrie finally got it RIGHT. I'm not going to defend Westphal except to note that the team has not quit on him yet. If any group has gotten unreasonable in all this its the fans. This is genesis. You are wathcing the beginning of something here. And that is never pretty. But if you watch with the right eyes you can see it coming together.

Or on the other hand everybody can run around and chicken little it because we only play 46 minutes of good basketball now while getting ever closer to winnign these things. I don't understand the appeal of that myself.

I think I'm holding out judgement until the end of the offseason...again. Not only are we pretty much the #30 team in the NBA in wins, we're also #30 in salary...lowest...and we'll have like 20 something million to play with...I'll hold out JUST A BIT LONGER! Who the hell knows what's going to happen with our arena situation...I gave up guessing awhile ago...who the hell knows what's going to happen with our roster next season, both the Maloofs keep saying they WILL spend ALL the available $$$ we have this offseason, so we'll have to just endure whatever's left of this season, take the positives, and move forward from there.

edit: we'll have the MOST $$$ to play with out of ANY NBA team this offseason...

 

[theclash4u5]

I think I'm holding out judgement until the end of the offseason...again. Not only are we pretty much the #30 team in the NBA in wins, we're also #30 in salary...lowest...and we'll have like 20 something million to play with...I'll hold out JUST A BIT LONGER! Who the hell knows what's going to happen with our arena situation...I gave up guessing awhile ago...who the hell knows what's going to happen with our roster next season, both the Maloofs keep saying they WILL spend ALL the available $$$ we have this offseason, so we'll have to just endure whatever's left of this season, take the positives, and move forward from there.

edit: we'll have the MOST $$$ to play with out of ANY NBA team this offseason...

If the Arena deal doesn't go anywhere by next season, I actually think we might keep our cap space...

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Impossible. Even a 17 win season means losing only 80% of games played.

season win total has nothing to do with overtime win and loss percentage. A team could easily play 10 OT games over the course of 2 or 3 seasons and only win 1. I honestly can't remember the last time the Kings won an OT game, so that's why I asked.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

If the Arena deal doesn't go anywhere by next season, I actually think we might keep our cap space...

That's very true and something many people are overlooking/ignoring. It's not written in stone that they'll spend all their cap space. If something isn't looking like a realistic possibly arena wise by the summer, I don't see the Maloofs spending much.

 

[mac]

season win total has nothing to do with overtime win and loss percentage. A team could easily play 10 OT games over the course of 2 or 3 seasons and only win 1. I honestly can't remember the last time the Kings won an OT game, so that's why I asked.

My bad, didn't read the "overtime" bit. Thought you were just ranting about losing games.