Kings are stupid if they trade Peja + Bobby for Odom.

[romanianusa]

Seriously I can't believe they even mentioned this in the press. How rediculous would that be?? I mean Odom for Peja PLUS BOBBY JACKSON?? You have got to be kidding me right??? I don't even know if i want to do a straight up Odom for Peja....but to suggest throwing Bobby is outrageous!!! Really really outrageous!!! I mean Bobby is to me is in the same caliber player as Odom as Peja is!! But man...2 for 1..who the hell people think Odom is...the guy can't shoot ...all he does is drive to the basket..and it's not a proven good defender....The Kings must be really crazy and desperate to do this trade. I felt they already make a mistake of getting rid of Christie...cuz even though Christie don't give them the offense that they need, but he does a lot more on the court than Mobley does like stealing...passing, defense, change momentum of the game. Now the Kings have no D whatsoever.

 

[Big_kings_fan]

Don't worry this particular trade won't happen

(I will apologize if it does, but it Won't)

Odom and Boozer have been major dissapointments for their squads. Especially Boozer!

At the beginning of the season Odom was in the lakers future plans. I guess he isn't now.

 

[Bricklayer]

We are really desperate for rebounding. We don't have a real shot at the title without it.

Giving up Bobby would be a sore blow, but the truth is he's barely played for us in so long he's hardly a member of the team anymore. Love his heart an hustle, but by necessity the team has kind of moved on and learned to live without him.

 

[Bibby_10]

Petrie should counter with Peja & Tag for Odom. I can live without Tag.

 

[VF21]

Don't we already have a pretty lengthy discussion about this going on?

 

[Bricklayer]

Petrie should counter with Peja & Tag for Odom. I can live without Tag.

Who knows, he may have. This may all be moot anywat, and we have conflicting reports (even iof one of the conflicts just is Voison) about who offered the deal, who turned it down, is it dead, is it alive. Who knows at this point.

 

[PixelPusher]

When I first heard the rumor, my first instict was "Bad Trade", but after thinking it over for a while, I think it would be worth it. Peja and Bobby are as good as gone after next year, which makes the "Peja is the future/Peja still has upside" argument moot.

Any Kings fans who would quake at the possibility of Peja in a Laker's uniform need to understand something: Peja will never have any better than he has it right now. For the past 4 years Peja has benefited from a offensive system that features a true point guard in Bibby, a passing, offense-initiating frontline in Webber/Divac/Miller, and, until recently, a 2 Guard that played like a point guard (and looked for Peja more than his own shot) in Doug Christie. If he is struggling now due to Divac's Absense and the Mobley trade, what make's you think he would blossom in a Kobe-centric offense, devoid of offensive initiators? Peja is a great shooter, but he can't create his own shot; he relies on the offensive system to give him open looks.

It's a moot point anyway. Petrie gave it the axe. Losing Bobby would have really hurt.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Losing Bobby would have really hurt.

I would argue that we've already lost Bobby. And it does hurt, but what can we do? Part of me doesn't expect Bobby to be injury free again, or he will have to change his game to accomodate aging enough that it's not the same anymore.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

I dont know why everyone is talking about all sorts of rumors......

Why don't we talk about it when it happens?

 

[piksi]

Love his heart an hustle, but by necessity the team has kind of moved on and learned to live without him.

Not even close. He is missed everywhere. This team is not the same without Bobby

 

[KingsChick]

I dont know why everyone is talking about all sorts of rumors......

Why don't we talk about it when it happens?

Maybe they're starting to prepare..

 

[Bballkingsrock]

Maybe they're starting to prepare..

What if it doesnt happen?

 

[SacTownKid]

We are really desperate for rebounding. We don't have a real shot at the title without it.

Giving up Bobby would be a sore blow, but the truth is he's barely played for us in so long he's hardly a member of the team anymore. Love his heart an hustle, but by necessity the team has kind of moved on and learned to live without him.

Not to mention the fact that his days in a Kings uniform are numbered anyway. I would be shocked if the team picks up his option b/c Bobby will be P.O.'d, and there will be a team out there willing to pay big bucks for a 32 year old point guard, there always is.

 

[AriesMar27]

i wouldnt feel too bad about the trade if it were peja and tag.... and if odom were playing for a different team... if he were still a clipper i'd be jumping for joy at the idea of the trade. but hes a laker and because of that peja is stuck with us.....

if we had odom, at least he wouldnt do all of those sissy layups and actually throw it down....

 

[Bricklayer]

Not to mention the fact that his days in a Kings uniform are numbered anyway. I would be shocked if the team picks up his option b/c Bobby will be P.O.'d, and there will be a team out there willing to pay big bucks for a 32 year old point guard, there always is.

Well, I think I would definitely pick it up, but then I think you either have to give him a big $$ extension at the same time, or trade him to somebody who will.

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

I dont know if we are stupid... i mean where has Bobby Jackson been when we needed him ? and Peja's acting like a 5 year old... it is a smart trade...

 

[Padrino]

kings would be stupid not to make this trade....which is why it won't happen. it is, quite frankly, too good to be true. all season, people on this board have pointed out that the kings are a weak rebounding team, and that it is our most distressing problem as a team. and, all of a sudden, when an athletic rebounder (who can provide scoring and hustle) gets mentioned in a possible trade scenario for peja, people get incredibly defensive and call it a "stupid" move. i don't understand it at all. bobby jackson, as much as i love him, is getting old. and he's been hobbled the past two seasons with injury. how much more value do any of you honestly believe bobby jackson has for us anymore? as for peja, he openly expressed his desire to leave at the beginning of the season, and his play has been less than impressive thus far this season. now, his feelings may or may not have changed, but what hasn't changed is the fact that he only has one more season left on his contract. rather than risk him walking, wouldn't it be more pertinent to try and get something of value for him? and in the areas we are weak in....such as, say, rebounding? in lamar odom, not only would the kings receive an adequate rebounder, but an athletic big man who hustles and can score at will inside. now, doesn't this address two serious issues we've all discussed the entire season? given that it is (however slightly) conceivable, how could this possibly be a bad trade for the kings? or am i alone in this line of thinking?

 

[KP]

kings would be stupid not to make this trade....which is why it won't happen. it is, quite frankly, too good to be true. all season, people on this board have pointed out that the kings are a weak rebounding team, and that it is our most distressing problem as a team. and, all of a sudden, when an athletic rebounder (who can provide scoring and hustle) gets mentioned in a possible trade scenario for peja, people get incredibly defensive and call it a "stupid" move. i don't understand it at all. bobby jackson, as much as i love him, is getting old. and he's been hobbled the past two seasons with injury. how much more value do any of you honestly believe bobby jackson has for us anymore? as for peja, he openly expressed his desire to leave at the beginning of the season, and his play has been less than impressive thus far this season. now, his feelings may or may not have changed, but what hasn't changed is the fact that he only has one more season left on his contract. rather than risk him walking, wouldn't it be more pertinent to try and get something of value for him? and in the areas we are weak in....such as, say, rebounding? in lamar odom, not only would get an adequate rebounder, but an athletic big man who hustles and can score at will inside. now, doesn't this address two serious issues we've all discussed the entire season? given that it is (however slightly) conceivable, how could this possibly be a bad trade for the kings? or am i alone in this line of thinking?

Good points.

 

[Padrino]

Good points.

well thank you.

my point, tho, was not really that it is a good trade for the kings. the fact of the matter is that it is an incredibly unlikely rumor. my point really is that kings fans need to start thinking more towards the future, and to the good of the team, rather than stubbornly discard every move that the kings front office could possibly make if it involves their favorite player(s). tho, like i said, this is just a rumor...and really nothing much to fuss over. i just find the (general) lack of openness distressing. this is why it is never a good idea to become too attached to a single player, as a fan.

 

[Vlad]

well thank you.

my point, tho, was not really that it is a good trade for the kings. the fact of the matter is that it is an incredibly unlikely rumor. my point really is that kings fans need to start thinking more towards the future, and to the good of the team, rather than stubbornly discard every move that the kings front office could possibly make if it involves their favorite player(s). tho, like i said, this is just a rumor...and really nothing much to fuss over. i just find the (general) lack of openness distressing. this is why it is never a good idea to become too attached to a single player, as a fan.

Again, good point. It is nice to get attached to players, but it impedes clear thinking when trade possibilities arise.

 

[albeitrue]

well thank you.

my point, tho, was not really that it is a good trade for the kings. the fact of the matter is that it is an incredibly unlikely rumor. my point really is that kings fans need to start thinking more towards the future, and to the good of the team, rather than stubbornly discard every move that the kings front office could possibly make if it involves their favorite player(s). tho, like i said, this is just a rumor...and really nothing much to fuss over. i just find the (general) lack of openness distressing. this is why it is never a good idea to become too attached to a single player, as a fan.

Peja is 2nd best scorer on the team (I know, I've said that before ). Peja is NBA#3 in FT's made -- few as he's had -- NBA#8 in 3-point % made and #9 in 3-point % made in 48 minutes. These are not the stats of a bench scrub, nor should we forget what he did last year. And the year before. Okay, not counting the PO's, but we have a couple of good subs decorating the bench, but that's another thread.

I am all for making our team better, but counting on Peja to continue his "slump" after a trade to Lakers is not a good gamble, imo. Kobe may be a ball hog, but if he likes what Peja brings to the offensive half-court and uses it (and he could), we would be in a world of hurt and would be depending on Odom's rebounding success to no avail, imo. My love for the Kings runs deeper than my hate for he Lakers, but the line is thin, if you know what I mean. I'm hoping Petries hate for our rival is as great, at least, as some of ours.

And P.S. I am not a Peja Homer! Trade him for someone else.

 

[KP]

Peja is 2nd best scorer on the team (I know, I've said that before ). Peja is NBA#3 in FT's made -- few as he's had -- NBA#8 in 3-point % made and #9 in 3-point % made in 48 minutes. These are not the stats of a bench scrub, nor should we forget what he did last year. And the year before. Okay, not counting the PO's, but we have a couple of good subs decorating the bench, but that's another thread.

I am all for making our team better, but counting on Peja to continue his "slump" after a trade to Lakers is not a good gamble, imo. Kobe may be a ball hog, but if he likes what Peja brings to the offensive half-court and uses it (and he could), we would be in a world of hurt and would be depending on Odom's rebounding success to no avail, imo. My love for the Kings runs deeper than my hate for he Lakers, but the line is thin, if you know what I mean. I'm hoping Petries hate for our rival is as great, at least, as some of ours.

Shes got good points too. I'm really riding the line on this one.

 

[Padrino]

Peja is 2nd best scorer on the team (I know, I've said that before ). Peja is NBA#3 in FT's made -- few as he's had -- NBA#8 in 3-point % made and #9 in 3-point % made in 48 minutes. These are not the stats of a bench scrub, nor should we forget what he did last year. And the year before. Okay, not counting the PO's, but we have a couple of good subs decorating the bench, but that's another thread.

I am all for making our team better, but counting on Peja to continue his "slump" after a trade to Lakers is not a good gamble, imo. Kobe may be a ball hog, but if he likes what Peja brings to the offensive half-court and uses it (and he could), we would be in a world of hurt and would be depending on Odom's rebounding success to no avail, imo. My love for the Kings runs deeper than my hate for he Lakers, but the line is thin, if you know what I mean. I'm hoping Petries hate for our rival is as great, at least, as some of ours.

i understand peja's no bench scrub. but neither's lamar odom. i believe his rebounding would greatly affect the kings. what i've been saying is don't allow peja's success as a king cloud what odom could possibly bring to the table. we've seen how a player like peja can thrive in our system. now, let's just take a step back for a second and think about how odom would assimilate into our offensive system.

*steps back and thinks about it*

the guy is strong. he has length and speed. we run the offense thru the big men on the high post. i can just imagine how sweet it would be if the kings have brad and chris sitting on the elbows, with mike bibby and cuttino mobley running around their screens, while lamar odom (or a player like him), slashes and cuts to the basket, intent on the nasty dunk. several scoring options....and now, one of them is not simply a shooting option. odom doesn't have much of a jump shot, and that's ok. we got 4 other starters who can shoot the j. and as for his rebounding. well....it can be argued how much of an impact his rebounding would actually have for the kings....but i can't honestly say that i believe he would do any worse than peja. and i'll leave it at that.

 

[albeitrue]

i understand peja's no bench scrub. but neither's lamar odom. i believe his rebounding would greatly affect the kings. what i've been saying is don't allow peja's success as a king cloud what odom could possibly bring to the table. we've seen how a player like peja can thrive in our system. now, let's just take a step back for a second and think about how odom would assimilate into our offensive system.

*steps back and thinks about it*

the guy is strong. he has length and speed. we run the offense thru the big men on the high post. i can just imagine how sweet it would be if the kings have brad and chris sitting on the elbows, with mike bibby and cuttino mobley running around their screens, while lamar odom (or a player like him), slashes and cuts to the basket, intent on the nasty dunk. several scoring options....and now, one of them is not simply a shooting option. odom doesn't have much of a jump shot, and that's ok. we got 4 other starters who can shoot the j. and as for his rebounding. well....it can be argued how much of an impact his rebounding would actually have for the kings....but i can't honestly say that i believe he would do any worse than peja. and i'll leave it at that.

While your Odom visual is stimulating (I have been there already though), I don't have a problem with Odom perse...his ability to go inside, his board work, it all looks very appealing. And really, no one could be much worse under the basket than Peja. Really and honestly, I'm no homer.

PEJA GOES TO THE LAKERS AND THEY SPANK US. WITH PEJA.

Okay, so I ain't so great with visuals, but you get my drift? I am not clouded by Peja's success here, but neither do I believe his success will ever be duplicated--by him or anyone else--in the very near future. I have given in to the fact that he is pretty much done in Kings system, as long as everything else remains the same.

But please, don't give him up to the Lakers. He's too valuable to go to our rival. The rest of the NBA would never forgive us. Petrie would lose all respect- in my book.

 

[SacTownKid]

While your Odom visual is stimulating (I have been there already though), I don't have a problem with Odom perse...his ability to go inside, his board work, it all looks very appealing. And really, no one could be much worse under the basket than Peja. Really and honestly, I'm no homer.

PEJA GOES TO THE LAKERS AND THEY SPANK US. WITH PEJA.

Okay, so I ain't so great with visuals, but you get my drift? I am not clouded by Peja's success here, but neither do I believe his success will ever be duplicated--by him or anyone else--in the very near future. I have given in to the fact that he is pretty much done in Kings system, as long as everything else remains the same.

But please, don't give him up to the Lakers. He's too valuable to go to our rival. The rest of the NBA would never forgive us. Petrie would lose all respect- in my book.

Bottom line is either Pejas role must change or the roster be changed. Staying the same will not improve the teams chances. I'd rather give Peja to the Lakers if they still had Shaq if it would help us improve.

 

[Bricklayer]

While your Odom visual is stimulating (I have been there already though), I don't have a problem with Odom perse...his ability to go inside, his board work, it all looks very appealing. And really, no one could be much worse under the basket than Peja. Really and honestly, I'm no homer.

PEJA GOES TO THE LAKERS AND THEY SPANK US. WITH PEJA.

Okay, so I ain't so great with visuals, but you get my drift? I am not clouded by Peja's success here, but neither do I believe his success will ever be duplicated--by him or anyone else--in the very near future. I have given in to the fact that he is pretty much done in Kings system, as long as everything else remains the same.

But please, don't give him up to the Lakers. He's too valuable to go to our rival. The rest of the NBA would never forgive us. Petrie would lose all respect- in my book.

So you think, with all we've seen, that Peja would suddenyl turn into a playoff performer in Lakerland? Not even the most optimistic Lakers fan is willing to take the leap -- reason most cited why they don't want Peja? Chokes in the playoffs. Not sure I 100% agree, but he could be our great Trojan Horse to forever lay low the Lakers -- slip them a mickey for their playoff hopes. Eveyr year Peja looks great...then the playoffs rolla round and Kobe goes home to cry in the arms of the hotel attendant of his choice.

Besides which, we are the Kings. I could give a damn whether the Lakers are the #2 team in the NBA as long as we get to #1. Be MUCH better if Odom played for somebody else (actually giving them Bobby seems more wrong to me than Peja), but you have to take talent wherever you can find it, and other than KG Odom is a pretty much unique.

 

[KP]

I think we have to take into account it's the Lakers. I mean are we Kings fans or not?? If you would have told me in 2003 that we would have let the Lakers have Vlade and Peja I would have smacked you in the face and then shot myself! It's just wrong people.

 

[Padrino]

While your Odom visual is stimulating (I have been there already though), I don't have a problem with Odom perse...his ability to go inside, his board work, it all looks very appealing. And really, no one could be much worse under the basket than Peja. Really and honestly, I'm no homer.

PEJA GOES TO THE LAKERS AND THEY SPANK US. WITH PEJA.

Okay, so I ain't so great with visuals, but you get my drift? I am not clouded by Peja's success here, but neither do I believe his success will ever be duplicated--by him or anyone else--in the very near future. I have given in to the fact that he is pretty much done in Kings system, as long as everything else remains the same.

But please, don't give him up to the Lakers. He's too valuable to go to our rival. The rest of the NBA would never forgive us. Petrie would lose all respect- in my book.

well...it certainly would suck to get spanked by the lakers if they were to acquire peja thru a trade with us. but, imo, it would be much much worse to get spanked by the team that acquires him thru free agency. but that's just my opinion. my anti-laker sentiments do not run nearly as deep as most other kings fans...cuz they simply aren't the same team anymore. kings-dallas is a far more current and heated rivalry...expecially considering that, in all likelihood, it will be the kings and mavs battling down the stretch for the 4th spot in the west.

 

[KP]

well...it certainly would suck to get spanked by the lakers if they were to acquire peja thru a trade with us. but, imo, it would be much much worse to get spanked by the team that acquires him thru free agency. but that's just my opinion. my anti-laker sentiments do not run nearly as deep as most other kings fans...cuz they simply aren't the same team anymore. kings-dallas is a far more current and heated rivalry...expecially considering that, in all likelihood, it will be the kings and mavs battling down the stretch for the 4th spot in the west.

Blasphemy!

 

[Padrino]

Blasphemy!

hehe...i know. what can i say? as bad as the kings have been playing recently, i still believe we are out of the lakers league. they are the worse team this season. i believe an stojakovic-odom trade would be a near wash. the lakers would get increased scoring where they need it, and we'd get increased rebounding where we need it. this is all just my opinion, and i'm not even saying lamar odom is the guy that the kings need. but any player like him would be a great fit for the kings. unfortunately, his "type" of player is a rare breed at the moment, so he (and the lakers) are the focal point of this trade discussion.