Kings acquire Hilton Armstrong

[NME]

In either case, I'm going to ROFL at everyone bashing the guy if he comes in and averages 20/10 and 3 blocks a game.

That's probably what he has to do for us to give up the 2016 2nd rounder.

 

[pshn80]

And again, I don't want to hear one more response with "it doesn't hurt". The point of deals is to put the team in position to IMPROVE. So if this deal doesn't lead to another deal, then it hasn't helped one bit, and it's a meaningless move.

...... unless his play happens to help out the team in the next months.

 

[Aenadin]

excellent a big athletic big at the front court. just made the bench bigger.

if he gives us 5 ppg 6rpg 1bpg off the bench id be happy

 

[Showtime]

Grant just said Hilton has a lot of upside. lmao

 

[Showtime]

...... unless his play happens to help out the team in the next months.

1. that's what everybody on this forum says about these bad deals. I understand giving a player a clean slate, but there's a difference between that and thinking every single player that walks in the door is going to improve.

2. I have seen Hilton's entire career with the hornets. He sucks. The same comments were made about May, and about "it won't hurt if he's going to help the team". Well, the point is he isn't going to help the team. I said the May deal was a meaningless deal when it went down, and it's proven to be so. The same will happen with Hilton.

 

[Showtime]

In either case, I'm going to ROFL at everyone bashing the guy if he comes in and averages 20/10 and 3 blocks a game.

Then you haven't watched a second of him on the court.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Grant just said Hilton has a lot of upside. lmao

Too many equate athleticism and length with upside immediately. I mean, Mikki Moore had athleticism and length (btw Mikki's not a bad comparison at all). You need to look at game as well. Even in college, Armstrong rode the pine and played poorly in his first three years of college, and used just a decent senior year to fool scouts into believing he was a late bloomer. He's just a useful big body for us especially if JT gets into foul trouble, that's all.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Too many equate athleticism and length with upside immediately. I mean, Mikki Moore had athleticism and length (btw Mikki's not a bad comparison at all). You need to look at game as well. Even in college, Armstrong rode the pine and played poorly in his first three years of college, and used just a decent senior year to fool scouts into believing he was a late bloomer. He's just a useful big body for us especially if JT gets into foul trouble, that's all.

Which is still something useful to us. We are a short team. This will allow us to play Spencer and Jason more together.

 

[kingsfan101]

Yes, I do remember those players. But that's not the point. The point is that most people won't remember Sean May or Hilton a few years from now either, just as most don't remember Jabari Smith. So why make yet another meaningless move? It's the equivalent of trading FOR Jabari Smith. Why do it?

And again, I don't want to hear one more response with "it doesn't hurt". The point of deals is to put the team in position to IMPROVE. So if this deal doesn't lead to another deal, then it hasn't helped one bit, and it's a meaningless move.

For the fans, yes. Not for the owners though, who make some free cash.

Could we have done something better with our cap space? Maybe. Tough to say, without getting an idea on what else was available.

 

[Showtime]

For the fans, yes. Not for the owners though, who make some free cash.

Could we have done something better with our cap space? Maybe. Tough to say, without getting an idea on what else was available.

I get that this was a salary move. But some other fans don't. Most kings fans here don't know much about him, and think he can make an impact. I'm just trying to point out that that isn't the case.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Trade Nocioni + Beno + May ($14.35M): about $18.35M, still under cap
Trade Nocioni + Beno + May + Armstrong ($17.15M): about $21.5M, 125% rule

Only in this last trade is the amount of salary we could take on is larger than without Armstrong. $4 Million versus $4.35 Million. So yes we could take on a larger sum as a whole but the important number to other teams is the amount we would be taking off their books.

The other point I have been trying to make is we sold our cap space for pennies on the dollar. When you are the only team with cap space and plenty of desperate teams it should have been worth more than a guy with a PER of ~ 7.

 

[NME]

I get that this was a salary move. But some other fans don't. Most kings fans here don't know much about him, and think he can make an impact. I'm just trying to point out that that isn't the case.

Better post 50 more times that he sucks then, just to be safe.

 

[bajaden]

I don't know if you realize it but, quite a few teams are losing money right now. Secondly almost 1/2 the teams in the NBA are going to be paying the luxury tax, creating quite a windfall for the other teams.

See Item 6:
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100108-09/houston-rockets-join-chris-bosh-chase

Teams have before February 18th to get below the luxury tax limit. Therefore in this scenario our number 1 trade asset was our cap space. We should have gotten their first or made then take Nocioni and now that opportunity is gone.

Well the first would have been nice. But to take Nocioni would have defeated the entire purpose of the trade from their point of view.

 

[G_M]

If I've done my math right he's logged 46 minutes since December 1st...

So, what I'm saying is that his legs are fresh....

 

[bajaden]

Actually, she kind of is again, so maybe Petrie is also making a comeback. We can just consider Mikki Moore his head-shaving incident and Artest was K-Fed.

I would rather have Demi Moore with her head shaved.

 

[bajaden]

Ignorant viewpoint. First off, it DOES hurt the team by losing the pick (which is far more valuable in GP's hands during a draft instead of included in another pointless GP deal). Second, you shouldn't judge a deal by how much it hurts the team, but by how much it improves it. If the best thing you can say about a deal is that it's a wash because it doesn't hurt, then it's a bad deal. Deals should help the team, not be meaningless.

Can't you just say you disagree without calling him ignorant. Anyway, I'm not a big fan of Armstrong, but the pick is in 2016 for heavens sake and its protected in some way. Experience tells us that if this team is where we think it will be by then, the chance of a second round pick making the team would be slim. Sure, its always an asset to have, which can be traded. But if the Kings are a good team by then the trade value would be small. Besides, as someone pointed out, according to the Mayan calender the world ends in 2012. So whats the problem?

 

[bajaden]

Whens the trading deadline ?

We did just add 2.8 million in expirings that we can package with Thomas....

Well not really. We were 3.8 mil under the cap, so we already had that space and used it to absorb the salary of Armstrong.

 

[Merdiesel]

Sacramento Outgoing
Kevin Martin
Hilton Armstrong

Sacramento Incoming
Al Jefferson

it works.

 

[Showtime]

Can't you just say you disagree without calling him ignorant.

I said his viewpoint was ignorant. Looking at a deal (as far as roster impact) by how much it hurts a team instead of how much it helps a team is, IMO, an ignorant way to evaluate a deal, because the entire purpose of a deal is to improve (when talking about purely roster talent). This was a numbers deal, and the kings didn't add any talent that will help them.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Only in this last trade is the amount of salary we could take on is larger than without Armstrong. $4 Million versus $4.35 Million.

Net increase in the amount of salary we can take on (which is what you're talking about) is important -- if the team we're trading with is trying to dump salary for this year. Presumably that would be to reduce luxury tax payments. But absolute increase in the amount of salary we can take on (which is what I was focusing on) is more important if we want to trade for a big contract.

We can take on more absolute dollars than we used to be able to, under any scenario, because we can now toss in Armstrong's $2.8M ender. You are right that until we start making large trades, we can absorb less, because we've already used $2.8M of our cap space to absorb.

Basically, some trades that we would have had difficulty making (or been unwilling to make) because of having to match absolute dollars will open up, while some trades that we could have made to absorb salary will close down because our absorbing power is reduced. One door closes, another door opens. I certainly can't say the relative sizes of the doors.

 

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[Mr. S£im Citrus]

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[FaStRmAn]

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Thank you Mr. Citrus! I was beginning to think that this entire blog had been taken over by Kings HATERS! Some of the posts in this thread are dreadful! Armstrong isn't an allstar or even great player. But he doesn't have to be. He just needs to be a consistent player, use his 6 fouls, and be a
R O L E P L A Y A R!

You know, a player that can play some D, get some boards, and give the starter some rest. We needed a big body and we found one cheap!

 

[bajaden]

I get that this was a salary move. But some other fans don't. Most kings fans here don't know much about him, and think he can make an impact. I'm just trying to point out that that isn't the case.

I think most fans are going to just wait and see. I think most are hopeful that some good comes out of the deal. I'm not overly optimistic, but I don't have this great desire to crap on other peoples hopes and expectations. To be honest I can't believe there's this much wringing of hands over a minor deal. This deal is essentially the same as our picking up a free agent big man and getting paid for doing it. I can't really lose too much sleep over it.

I see Armstrong as an emergency guy you can throw out there. If for instance one of our bigs goes down with an injury. Who knows, maybe Westphal can shake something out of him. He's still young, and he is athletic. Maybe seeing the handwriting on the wall will inspire him. I'm not going to hold my breath, but stranger things have happened.

 

[bajaden]

I said his viewpoint was ignorant. Looking at a deal (as far as roster impact) by how much it hurts a team instead of how much it helps a team is, IMO, an ignorant way to evaluate a deal, because the entire purpose of a deal is to improve (when talking about purely roster talent). This was a numbers deal, and the kings didn't add any talent that will help them.

And if I called your point of view ignorant, you wouldn't take offense to It? I'm just saying that there are nicer ways to disagree with someone thats all.

 

[casspion]

Thank you Mr. Citrus! I was beginning to think that this entire blog had been taken over by Kings HATERS! Some of the posts in this thread are dreadful! Armstrong isn't an allstar or even great player. But he doesn't have to be. He just needs to be a consistent player, use his 6 fouls, and be a
R O L E P L A Y A R!

You know, a player that can play some D, get some boards, and give the starter some rest. We needed a big body and we found one cheap!

Sorry mate but I will take the word of a Hornets fan who actually saw the dude playing over yours....

NO fan:" We could've gotten a bucket of Popeye's in return and it would've been a steal."

I would love to trade Sean May for a bucket of Popeye's...just make sure the prisoners don't walk next to each other in the exchange coz Sean will vacuum the bucket

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Thank you Mr. Citrus! I was beginning to think that this entire blog had been taken over by Kings HATERS! Some of the posts in this thread are dreadful! Armstrong isn't an allstar or even great player. But he doesn't have to be. He just needs to be a consistent player, use his 6 fouls, and be a
R O L E P L A Y A R!

You know, a player that can play some D, get some boards, and give the starter some rest. We needed a big body and we found one cheap!

....


I think you missed the joke...

 

[Gary]

Hilton Armstrong has been the but of many of my jokes.. I am sure he will continue to be.

 

[Double-K]

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I think you missed the joke...

Hahaha.... I think he did miss your sarcasm there....

 

[JB_kings]

Pretty minor deal. But I predict if he gets a little playing time and blocks a shot, pulls down a few boards and either dunks or dives to the floor once - he will get the Brian Skinner red carpet welcome.

For a few games anyway.