Kings 0-3 start reveals much trouble

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Kings' 0-3 start reveals much trouble
Kevin Martin is especially affected by Mike Bibby's and Ron Artest's absence.
By Sam Amick - samick@sacbee.com

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/472333.html

Last Updated 6:02 am PST Monday, November 5, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C1

If Ron Artest had been in the locker room, he could have offered a pep talk.

The Kings small forward would have had the perfect anecdote to help his hurting teammates, the one about how the same Dallas Mavericks who had just routed the Kings 123-102 Saturday night lost their first four games last season en route to a league-best 67 wins.

But neither Artest nor his wild optimism was there, barred because of his seven-game suspension. Nor was Mike Bibby, whose ill-timed thumb injury days before the regular season couldn't have stung as badly as the Kings' 0-3 trip in which they lost by an average of 17 points. And no one missed his teammates more than Kevin Martin, the Kings shooting guard who exited American Airlines Center with a weary look befitting this most bemusing start.

"It's been a different experience," said Martin, who averaged 25.3 points and hit 20 of 48 shots in the first three games. "We all three play off each other, because no team can try to take out one of us. If you take out one of us, then you've got two other weapons that will put points up on you in a hurry. But right now, they're both out, and you can see it.

"(Opponents are) just trying to not let me get in a rhythm, to put me on the line. Teams know I can score 10 points in two minutes, but they're stopping me from that. I've got to work. I score 20 now, and I feel like I had 40 because of how hard it is."

For him and everyone else.

The reality of the personnel losses left the Kings knowing three defeats to open the season was entirely possible. But they appeared out of contention by halftime of the losses in New Orleans and San Antonio, then wasted a solid offensive night in Dallas with a terrible defensive effort made worse by the fact the Mavericks were shooting at a near historic pace even when shots were contested.

And though Martin, Francisco García and John Salmons were productive on the trip, the early point of concern by far was the Kings' frontline. In three games, Mikki Moore, Kenny Thomas and Shareef Abdur-Rahim combined to average just 8.6 points and eight rebounds and hit 8 of 26 shots. Center Brad Miller hit 15 of 32 shots but averaged just 4.3 rebounds while the Kings were outrebounded 125-96.

Miller said being short-handed has only made it harder to continue understanding the new coaching staff, with offensive and defensive schemes far from ingrained and the room for error smaller than ever.

"It's tough, but it's a process, trying to see how (coach Reggie Theus) wants to play, to get plays in, get schemes in," he said. "There's been a lot thrown at everybody so far this year early in the season, more than in the past when you'd run one play basically with (former Kings coach) Rick (Adelman). They're throwing a lot of things at us, and we're trying to get that figured out.

"It's hard getting your butts kicked so bad so early in the season. You start a new season, and everybody has a chance. ... And especially after having a subpar season last year, you want to get yourself back and reestablished. It's hard."

If only for one game, García appears to have become the new point guard after Orien Greene started the first two games. García scored 23 points against the Mavericks and, more importantly, had just one turnover in 40 minutes.

"Going with that lineup gives us an advantage size-wise on most (backcourts), but I was pleased," Theus said. "I had a talk with him before the game where I let him know that I needed him to push the ball, I needed him to play under control and not try to do too much, and I thought he stuck to the game plan."

Martin, meanwhile, has been forced into a role he rather would not have. During his first three seasons, he had become among the game's best at moving without the ball, scoring off screens and back cuts in the flow of the offense rather than forcing his shot attempts. Because of the circumstances, though, he must be more aggressive offensively.

"Now he's the guy, and he's learning that the game is different when you're the focal point of the team," Theus said. "(As a player) I was always in control of the defense. The defense went where I told them to go. That's the way I played, but he doesn't have that mentality yet because he's allowing the defense to short-cut his cuts. He may even learn it this year, but he has to accept the fact that he can't short-cut the offense.

"It's another growing experience for him. They're not talking about Ron or Mike in that (opposing) locker room. They're talking about you. And if they shut you down, they think they're stopping about half of our offense. And right now, that's about right."

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1) methinks Kevin is developing a bit of an ego. Could actually be good for his game, but he has to be careful not to come off as obnoxious.

2) Brad, being confused by the offense or whatever (and I remember the same complaints being made last year with Muss) cannot possibly explain/excuse the 4rebs a game you are giving us.

3) I have agreed with the majority of what Reggie has said since his arrival, but his liberality in discussing his players remains eyebrow raising. Great PR and accessibility to the fans, and the sort of chattiness the Maloofs have longed for, but I can't help feeling that sooner or later one of his players is going to tell him to knock it off. Its similar to the way George Karl and Larry Brown have worked through the media.
 
1) methinks Kevin is developing a bit of an ego. Could actually be good for his game, but he has to be careful not to come off as obnoxious.

2) Brad, being confused by the offense or whatever (and I remember the same complaints being made last year with Muss) cannot possibly explain/excuse the 4rebs a game you are giving us.

3) I have agreed with the majority of what Reggie has said since his arrival, but his liberality in discussing his players remains eyebrow raising. Great PR and accessibility to the fans, and the sort of chattiness the Maloofs have longed for, but I can't help feeling that sooner or later one of his players is going to tell him to knock it off. Its similar to the way George Karl and Larry Brown have worked through the media.

IMO Marting didn't come off obnoxious. He stated the truth and how it made him feel. I didn't see anything wrong with it.

What exactly did you think was obnoxious?
 
we're going to need kevin to keep that attitude. have the mindset of a superstar. confidence does wonders for your ability.
 
Brick never said he did sound obnoxious just be careful not to but I have been seeing Kevin's ego grow a little bit, not a bad thing all...just compare it to last year or the year before he was really quite and also talking to the media it doesn't sound awkward listening to him anymore lol.

I do like that Reggie will call out some guys and holds them accountable but he should hold back some at least to the media, if he does it too often some guys may start to turn on him.
 
Kevin is learning what happens when he is the main point of the defense. Miller brings up the point that it is difficult to learn a new system when the main parts of the team are missing. Doesn't seem to be too hard to imagine. Not sure that he was explaining his rebounding; just the reason for the chaos that seems evident on the court.

I'm not sure this team is going to be the greatest in the world but it is absurd to make any hard judgments based on three games - three games with three and maybe four guys who will be in the regular rotation are missing. Chop the two best players, a rookie with some promise, and an active big man from any team and I think they would be terribly disappointing to those who think there should be no lose of game performance.

Reggie should be Reggie. If it bothers players, they should take a hike because if they are so bad that he mentions them frequently, they won't be missed. He runs the team, not them.
 
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all i know is when bibby and artest get back these teams are gona get it. thats if salmons and garcia can keep putting up 15-20 points. we're going to have one heck of a backcourt.
 
IMO Marting didn't come off obnoxious. He stated the truth and how it made him feel. I didn't see anything wrong with it.

What exactly did you think was obnoxious?


10pts in 2 minutes.


Nudge me the next time Tim Duncan says something like that, or Steve Nash. If a player can do those things, he doesn't have to say it. If he can't, he doesn't have to say it.

Not the first little nuzzle of that from him in the recent past. And as I say having the ego could be valuable (or disruptive, but I think most great players have some recognition of what they are). However you don't have to tell people -- that's the obnoxious boundary. Be arrogant, but make it self contained. He's young, he'll figure it out.
 
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10pts in 2 minutes.


Nudge me the next time Tim Duncan says something like that, or Steve Nash. If you can, you don't have to say it. If you can't, you don't have to say it.

Not the first little nuzzle of that from him in the recent past. And as I say having the ego could be valuable (or disruptive, but I think most great players have some recognition of what they are). However you don't have to tell people -- that's the obnoxious boundary. Be arrogant, but make it self contained. He's young, he'll figure it out.

What's more obnoxious Martin saying he can score 10 points in two minutes or Nash kissing his biceps ;)
 
players will be players. no more obnoxious than Gilbert Arenas laying his jersey on the home court of the seattle sonics. i dont care if you talk the talk as long as you do some walking with it. right now kevin martin is walking right into a 25ppg average. and thats fine by me
 
players will be players. no more obnoxious than Gilbert Arenas laying his jersey on the home court of the seattle sonics. i dont care if you talk the talk as long as you do some walking with it. right now kevin martin is walking right into a 25ppg average. and thats fine by me

25 ppg while playing almost 40 mn is not very good, when he is able to get 10 in 2.
 
1) methinks Kevin is developing a bit of an ego. Could actually be good for his game, but he has to be careful not to come off as obnoxious.

2) Brad, being confused by the offense or whatever (and I remember the same complaints being made last year with Muss) cannot possibly explain/excuse the 4rebs a game you are giving us.

3) I have agreed with the majority of what Reggie has said since his arrival, but his liberality in discussing his players remains eyebrow raising. Great PR and accessibility to the fans, and the sort of chattiness the Maloofs have longed for, but I can't help feeling that sooner or later one of his players is going to tell him to knock it off. Its similar to the way George Karl and Larry Brown have worked through the media.

1) I don't think Martin has an ego problem. He's certainly not a prima donna.

2) Correctomundo! Miller said last year that he couldn't figure out when to pass and when to shoot. The implication was that Muss was to blame for that. Does sound familiar, doesn't it?

3) I don't see Theus calling out players by name in this article. By inference he's called out the front line, but that's not exactly news. If he didn't acknowledge that fact, you would wonder about him...
 
1) methinks Kevin is developing a bit of an ego. Could actually be good for his game, but he has to be careful not to come off as obnoxious.
I agree with this. Kevin does need to be careful. I have been surprised by a couple of his comments in interviews on TV and in the press. Nothing terrible, but I think he's walked close to that edge a couple of times.

A strong ego is needed to be competitive at a high level, but you are right that if a person is really good, then he doesn't have to say it, others will. If a player isn't happy with his teammates' play, then he should talk to his coach and teammates about it, not the press.
 
10 points in 2 minutes doesnt seem that off if he is the only person shooting and hits at least 2 threes and a couple of freethrows... he does seem to play in spurts though... he'll get hot for about 2 minutes them be ice cold for about 6 or 7... doing nothing on defense and disappearing on offense...
 
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