KG to the Kings??? (merged)

[BMiller52]

Milwaukee is shopping Mo Williams. He played pretty well for them when starting(actually averaged 17/6). He's pretty young and he's a pretty good 3 point shooter. He hit 2 or 3 game winners this year I think. The Bucks are already crowded at PG. We could probably trade Garcia for him if we needed to. It's just a thought but I think he'd work out pretty well here.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?statsId=3750

 

[HndsmCelt]

Ironically IF the Kings actually did trade for KG AND want/need to keep Artest and Bonzi, Brad might be the more valualble keeper over Bibby. Finding another PG who can take care of the ball and make outside shots is MUCH easier (and cheaper) than trying to find a Forward or Center who can play out of the paint, drawing out defenders opening things up for 3 post players the Kings would have in KG, Ron and Bonzi. Kayman or prizbilla would actualy clog the lanes and in THAT line up really would be a 4th or 5th option. Brad on the other hand seems to LIKE bening the shooter of last reasort and excells at getting the ball to cutters and finding the post up missmatch.

Oh well I some how question how much we really need to worry aobut this.

 

[Padrino]

Ironically IF the Kings actually did trade for KG AND want/need to keep Artest and Bonzi, Brad might be the more valualble keeper over Bibby. Finding another PG who can take care of the ball and make outside shots is MUCH easier (and cheaper) than trying to find a Forward or Center who can play out of the paint, drawing out defenders opening things up for 3 post players the Kings would have in KG, Ron and Bonzi. Kayman or prizbilla would actualy clog the lanes and in THAT line up really would be a 4th or 5th option. Brad on the other hand seems to LIKE bening the shooter of last reasort and excells at getting the ball to cutters and finding the post up missmatch.

Oh well I some how question how much we really need to worry aobut this.

KG is good enough from the high post that i think there would be no problem in trading brad. i like the idea of bringing in joel pryzbilla because i don't think he would be too expensive and he's not really a primary offensive option. he'll bang in the post, but more as a rebounder and defensive lane clogger. that's valuable, especially considering he's young enough to make his way up and down the court in a reasonable amount of time, unlike tag or potatohead, who don't have much use on an already slow-footed kings team.

 

[nbrans]

Sure you can get a guy that's good enough, but the question is HOW, and who. It just leaves me unsettled. I don't like TOO many changes all at once. I think VF21 said it. Don't go changing too much at once, you may find out with some of the other changes, something you got rid of would have worked now with the first change you made.

Change works when you have the right nucleus. Look at the Bulls -- they won with a ton of different combinations (from Armstrong/Jordan/Pippen/Grant/Cartwright to Harper/Jordan/Pippen/Rodman/Longley) because they had Pippen and Jordan. And the best example is the Heat. I thought the Heat's moves in the offseason would backfire because it was too much change and it kind of reeked of fantasy basketball GM-ing. But it turns out it doesn't matter because they have Shaq and Wade.

Artest and Garnett is the kind of superstar nucleus where you just have to find people to fill in around the edges. And it's worth whatever change it takes to get that nucleus.

 

[PFFFT!!]

Garnett just turned 30. He still has at least 4 to 5 good years. Thats plenty good for me. Hes a 1/2 step slower now. Ill take him with a full step anyhow, so long as we dont give up the entire team for him. But Brad, 19th pick, and KT I can deal with.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Ironically IF the Kings actually did trade for KG AND want/need to keep Artest and Bonzi, Brad might be the more valualble keeper over Bibby.

Not singling you out Celt, but there seems to be quite a few of this keep Brad trade Bibby going on. In actuality it seems Brad is a big part of this deal and Bibby only came up because it might not be possible to sign and trade Bonzi as part of this deal. So I don't think this deal happens without Brad, besides the T'wolves would need to replace KG and are also lacking in the center department.

I do agree that Brad's deficiencies are probably covered with KG, Artest and Bonzi but there's no way this trade happens with us keeping Brad and Bonzi. Unless Isaiah is suddenly named GM .

 

[HndsmCelt]

Not singling you out Celt, but there seems to be quite a few of this keep Brad trade Bibby going on. In actuality it seems Brad is a big part of this deal and Bibby only came up because it might not be possible to sign and trade Bonzi as part of this deal. So I don't think this deal happens without Brad, besides the T'wolves would need to replace KG and are also lacking in the center department.

I do agree that Brad's deficiencies are probably covered with KG, Artest and Bonzi but there's no way this trade happens with us keeping Brad and Bonzi. Unless Isaiah is suddenly named GM .

Well on the surface the trade Brad Keep Bibby scenario seems like a no brainer. Brad was less than steller in the play offs and out side his slow start Bibby was a rock last season. Besides lets be realistic who the Kings trade is much more aobut what Minny would need and want rather than what the Kings would want to give up.

I was just pointing out that IF the scenario was trade Bibby keep Brad that that was NOT necessarlly a bad thing and from at least one perspective might actually be prefered.

 

[whozit]

Keep Brad, trade Bibby. Keep Bibby, thrade Wells. Keep Bibby trade Brad. Probably take two of the three players mentioned to make a deal. Wells' FA causes problems leaving Bibby and Brad as likely suspects. I don't see how you put together a winning proposal using either Brad or Mike, IMHO it would have to be both. The two of them together could be traded straight across for Garnett, but that leaves both teams with bad contracts causing headaches. So the Kings unload Thomas in exchange for Blount and Jaric or Hudson. Why?

Thomas: Easy answer, he doesn't like coming off the bench and no way do you play him before Garnet. Must go.

Jaric: It appears that he wasn't all that he was advertised. Bad contract. Might not appreciate coming off the bench for few minutes behind Bibby.

Blount: Bad contract and if I recall, he had a attitude problem in Boston (similiar to Thomas?). He may not appreciate being benched.

Swap them around and it may avoid the resulting headaches on both sides.

This trade would also net the Kings around $3.4 million in trade exemptions allowing them greater flexibility in swapping out other parts. I think the Maloofs may go over the luxery tax limit, but not sure by how much. I think most conceivable trades getting Garnett would put a serious damper on them also using the MLE.

 

[Sluggah]

just to reiterate what was actually written...

"...disgruntled Kevin Garnett to Sacramento in return for whoever Minnesota wants with the #19 pick..."

which to me implies that we will be picking for them, and the rumored trade can then wait until July 1st.

Bibby stays.

everyone not a Timberwolves fan is happy.

 

[whozit]

And if Bonzi says NO? After the Joe Smith fiasco, I just can't see Minnesota doing anything that could get Stern and Co. the opportunity to use them as an example again.

 

[Arkitect]

One point I would like to bring up is Bibby played good defense under Larry Brown for the National team. Bibby even said it himself that under Larry Brown if you dont play D you don't play. Maybe Muss will put a fire under him.

But if you have a chance to get KG, I say pull the trigger. We would have enough scoring power so having a 2nd rate PG with good defensive skills would probably work out. on this team.

To be fair, that was Bibby 3 years ago. His defense has only gotten worse. I don't care how hot the fire under him is, he is never going to be quick enough to defend a majority of the point guards in the league. You can't keep Bibby with the hope that his perimeter defense is all of a sudden going to get better when is only getting older and slower. It seems that the PG position is becoming less about court vision and more about having that quick first step to penetrate the lane and dish. As good as Bibby is on offense, he is a major liability on defense because his guy can almost always get by him. It is possible having a couple of 7-footers to clog the lane may help him out, but if we only have kg, our interior defense is still going to be weak and Bibbys inability to stop penetration will continue to be a problem. I would only keep Bibby if we can get that second big guy. Otherwise, we might as well trade him for kg and pick up a defense oriented pg.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I would dig a trade to get Hinrich from the Bulls for Bibby. Maybe trade Bibby for Hinrich straight up, but i dont think Chicago will bite unless we give up our 19th pick. Then we can trade Brad, KT, and Bonzi and filler for KG and filler. We then go get ourselfs a backup SG/SF and a backup PF/C that an play D. We might have to get a backup point guard, it depends what we get from the Wolves. Our lineup would be
-Hinrich
-martin
-Artest
-KG
-whoever we get in free agency

 

[Catalyst]

It's no secret that I've pretty much been lobbying for Kevin Garnett since Feb. 23, 2005. But I'm not willing, at this point, to toss out the baby with the bath water to get him.

One thing to keep in mind is that the Kings were (roughly) a 4th/5th seed caliber team after they acquired Artest. Is that enough to contend for a title? Not usually.

But, does that mean they're pretty close? Probably.

Sacramento is in a nice spot, where if the Timberwolves want too much for KG, they can simply walk away and try their luck else where. Sign a free agent PF, pick up a decent player with the 19th pick overall and go from there. That could build them a contending team another way.

Minnesota on the other hand isn't in a good spot. They have an aging KG who will be past his prime by the time they rebuild through the draft, a modest lotto pick and not much is looking bright for them. That draft pick is basically their make or break, and coming in at #6, they have to be considering other options.

Minnesota isn't in a spot to demand too much for Sacramento, and the Kings aren't in a spot where they have to accept it.

It's pretty simple to me that Petrie won't neuter the team to bring in KG, as, you don't want to create another version of the TWolves in Sacramento. On the other hand, I think he'd be willing to give up a fair package of players like Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas and Bonzi Wells for him.

If the TWolves will accept that, we'll have to wait and see...

 

[yanon]

What if the T'Wolves want Bibby, Brad, SAR, and the 19th pick for KG + scrubs?

I think such a trade offer is more probable since Minny will essentially acquire 3 good starters (C, PF, and PG) for one superstar PF and they have one additional 1st round draft pick to kick start their rebuilding process. This will leave the Kings with a solid core of PF, SF, and SGs but totally depleted in the center/backup PF and pg positions.

If you're the Kings GM, would you approve the aforementioned trade?

 

[Bricklayer]

What if the T'Wolves want Bibby, Brad, SAR, and the 19th pick for KG + scrubs?

I think such a trade offer is more probable since Minny will essentially acquire 3 good starters (C, PF, and PG) for one superstar PF and they have one additional 1st round draft pick to kick start their rebuilding process. This will leave the Kings with a solid core of PF, SF, and SGs but totally depleted in the center/backup PF and pg positions.

If you're the Kings GM, would you approve the aforementioned trade?

Yes, but you've just about hit my cap and I'm going to be working hard on you to take my pick of your unwanted pieces. If I can nab Jaric and Griffin by throwing in an ender, I do it, but Reef/Martin looks like a much stronger bench than Thomas/Martin.

 

[BALLER4LIFE]

Garnett just turned 30. He still has at least 4 to 5 good years. Thats plenty good for me. Hes a 1/2 step slower now. Ill take him with a full step anyhow, so long as we dont give up the entire team for him. But Brad, 19th pick, and KT I can deal with.

comeon now... there is NO WAY IN HELL the wolves trade garnett for brad, kt and the 19th pick... lets get real... minny could and would get many better offers... if ur gonna get rid of either brad or kt for a quality player, you're going to have to also include a solid player such as bibby or bonzi!

 

[ParniValjak]

Miller, Bibby, KT and pick 19 to Timberwolves
KG and Jaric to Kings.

Garcia and future pick to Bucks
Mo Williams to Kings.

Use MLE on Przybilla
Use LLE on Francisco Elston

C: Przybilla
PF: KG
SF: Artest
SG: Wells
PG: Williams

SAR, Martin, Jaric and Elston round out a pretty solid 9 man rotation.

 

[whozit]

Nice work.

The one problem I could see from Minnesota's perspective is that trade would leave them very close the tax limit when you add in their two first round draft picks. I don't see them taking on more salary while letting go of Garnett. I would think they would insist on including another bad contract.

I would shudder of the thought of taking back Madsen.

 

[mr. moustache]

McCants undergoes knee surgery - Microfracture

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/mccants_knee_surgery.html

KG's got to love that. The only guy they have signed with a promising future is having the ever so successful microfracture surgery.

If I'm the Wolves, I trade KG for expiring contracts and multiple future 1st's(ideally 2007) and aim for Oden. Chance at Oden is a gamble I'd take, given their situation

 

[Amanjoy]

I'd do this in an instant but Kevin Mchale MUST BE ON DRUGS if he even considers this. Seriously we'd get to trade Brad, Bonzi, and unload Kenny's contract for KG. That would be awesome. If Geoff EVER pulled this off he'd deserve executive of the year. All we'd have to do after this is trade SAR for a center. Kind of funny that Musselman hasn't talked to Brad yet and the Maloofs think we'll be contenders next season...wonder if they got somethin up their sleeve?

If Mchale were to go for this...he will have officially been afflicted witht he Jim Thomas disease of pursuing a player that had a big game against his team! I know Bonzi is a great player, but nowhere near the KG level! Just because the guy hit a game-winnign 3 against you doesn't mean he's your team's savior! Remember the Derek Smith trade the Kings made back in '86 I think? How did that work out?

I think these are just rumors that will never happen anyways, but they're worth adding your 2 cents about though!

 

[hammystyle]

If getting KG means trading including Bibby instead of Bonzi, you have to pull the trigger. I'd prefer Bonzi, but if that is what the T-Wolves want, then that is what they get. Assuming we resign Bonzi, the next move is trade either Bonzi, Kmart, or Shareef for a starting PG.

We'd have a championship 2-4 with depth, and would only need a C and PG. The Bulls would probably jump at Duhon and #16 for Kmart or SAR. The Wizards might want SAR or Kmart for Daniels and #18.

Note: I don't want to trade Bibby, Kmart, or SAR, but if you can get KG and then fill the hole you just created you have to do it.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Sorry I just do not see Bonzi agreeing to a sign and trade that ships himoff to a Wolves team sans Garnet. In fact most sign and trade scenarios do not make much sense. Bonzi will not comad the kind of sallery where most teams could not come up with the cash, and most of the teams that hard up are not looking for againg gaurds.

I also have a hard time seeing the kings letting Bonzi walk either. I could be wrong but I think Bonzi will be back in a Kings uniform next season.

 

[WalMatt23]

Let me preface this by saying I don't think the Wolves will trade Garnett, and especially not to anyone in the west.

However, with the recent news that their young guard McCants has to undergo microfracture surgery on his knee, I wonder if they might consider a deal that included Bibby or Bonzi. ESPN lists him as a shooting guard, but I thought he was supposed to play point??

Anyway, that kind of injury is pretty severe. As we all painfully know, everyone of note whose had it recently (webber, stoudemire) has come back a shell of their former selves. Plus, McCants has hardly had time to develop as it is. This surgery will only delay and probably adversely affect his overall potential.

Just a thought...

 

[Bricklayer]

Let me preface this by saying I don't think the Wolves will trade Garnett, and especially not to anyone in the west.

However, with the recent news that their young guard McCants has to undergo microfracture surgery on his knee, I wonder if they might consider a deal that included Bibby or Bonzi. ESPN lists him as a shooting guard, but I thought he was supposed to play point??

Anyway, that kind of injury is pretty severe. As we all painfully know, everyone of note whose had it recently (webber, stoudemire) has come back a shell of their former selves. Plus, McCants has hardly had time to develop as it is. This surgery will only delay and probably adversely affect his overall potential.

Just a thought...

Just as likely it would get them asking for Kevin or Cisco (McCants is a shooting guard).

But you just never know what they are "thinking" up there. Random flailing trying to live up to their promise to get KG on a contender. 1001 different plots or ideas, but with no apparent plan to guide them.

 

[Mike0476]

I've been reading the Timberwolves' forum and someone posted a link to an interview TNT did with KG around the 2004-2005 season after Flip was let go. I never saw this side of him before and it makes me want to have him even more.

Points of interest:

4:00 - Talked about his health and how he plays with heart despite how his body feels. Talked about losing and got emotional while using a finger gesture to stop the camera.

9:20 - Talked about how he hates to lose. His biggest problem is losing and he cannot accept it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ef-f7EeDpYI&search=KG

 

[SacTownKid]

I remember that interview. The guy is a fighter for sure. No matter how banged up he is he goes out there and gives it his all.

 

[SacKings384]

This trade isn't happening. There is ZERO chance that Bonzi agrees to be shipped off to the Wolves with no Garnett, and in complete tear down mode. Any deal for KG will have to involve Brad and since no Bonzi, probably Bibby