The Hammer
All-Star
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KF's 3rd Greatest Sacramento King of All Time?
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TheJewishKing
G-League
I voted for Vlade Divac, I haven't been able to watch this guy play in front of my own eye, because I have started following the NBA only when Casspi entered the league, but of course from watching documentaries about the NBA you bet his name will be somewhere up there in those documentaries.
I have been watching lots of Divac's videos on YouTube and I learned his style of play, also learned to know his personality, I smartened up while watching the documentary "Once Brothers" which tells the story of Vlade and Petrovic.
If I can recall the Kings achieved their peak in the years Vlade was among their line-up, and he obviously standing out, a player with a high IQ and a soft release, really among the best Europeans who entered this league in my opinion.
I chose him in the pull but I also believe Peja Stojakovic could be in the third place as well, a huge player and a symbol as well for the Kings, undoubtedly one of the best shooters in the league, very smooth three-point shot, one of the pioneers in the Kings history.
About Cousins, I reckon that it is too early to insert him to the list, he is a huge basketball player with lots of talent, he will be in this list if he stays with the Kings there is no doubt about it, but for now, it is too early.
I have been watching lots of Divac's videos on YouTube and I learned his style of play, also learned to know his personality, I smartened up while watching the documentary "Once Brothers" which tells the story of Vlade and Petrovic.
If I can recall the Kings achieved their peak in the years Vlade was among their line-up, and he obviously standing out, a player with a high IQ and a soft release, really among the best Europeans who entered this league in my opinion.
I chose him in the pull but I also believe Peja Stojakovic could be in the third place as well, a huge player and a symbol as well for the Kings, undoubtedly one of the best shooters in the league, very smooth three-point shot, one of the pioneers in the Kings history.
About Cousins, I reckon that it is too early to insert him to the list, he is a huge basketball player with lots of talent, he will be in this list if he stays with the Kings there is no doubt about it, but for now, it is too early.
John Galt
Starter
I'm really shocked that this isn't a landslide for Vlade. I could see a seething debate about #4, but I think you should have anointed CWebb, Mitch, Vlade right off the top and started the thread about "who is #4".
The fact that Vlade is only going to win "barely" though - supports the way you did it.
DMC hasn't done enough for long enough, that he's even ahead of Peja in my book, and I don't especially love Peja.
The fact that Vlade is only going to win "barely" though - supports the way you did it.
DMC hasn't done enough for long enough, that he's even ahead of Peja in my book, and I don't especially love Peja.
IfAt1st
Starter
Totally agreed.
I don't think it's even close - Vlade was by far the greatest King amongst those listed, and it's not because of his stats. "Greatest King" should not just be about stats.
There are lots of empty stat players - ironically, Mitch Richmond primarily amongst them.
Vlade was not about the stats - the team instantly became competitive, and later, a juggernaut, with him at the helm.
And don't let any stat-chaser tell you that Webber was the leader of that team - it was undeniably Vlade's team - Webber was a pouty baby compared to Vlade's preternatural command and leadership (on and off the court) on the best Kings team.
macadocious
Starter
Webber
Mitch
Vlade
Peja
Cousins
Cousins could jump all the way to #1 at then end of this current 4 year contract, he also could stay where he is at. He has really only had 1.5 good years with us, but the future is very bright for him which I think is why people are voting for him right now.
Mitch
Vlade
Peja
Cousins
Cousins could jump all the way to #1 at then end of this current 4 year contract, he also could stay where he is at. He has really only had 1.5 good years with us, but the future is very bright for him which I think is why people are voting for him right now.
Dreadnought
Bench
How do you figure Vlade over Webber?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
ok ok, it is not at all that I want to strike down a popular thread in its prime. But we seem to have a definitive winner now, and since I want to run a series of these at least down through #10, I don't want people to spend all their passion and best arguments on #3 and be burnt out for the rest. 
Accordingly KF hereby declares the 3rd Greatest King of All Time to Be:
Do not worry, another thread will spring up momentarily asking for the 4th Greatest King of All Time. There seem to be a couple of prohibitive favorites, but maybe the Vlade voters will disperse onto others as well.
Accordingly KF hereby declares the 3rd Greatest King of All Time to Be:
Do not worry, another thread will spring up momentarily asking for the 4th Greatest King of All Time. There seem to be a couple of prohibitive favorites, but maybe the Vlade voters will disperse onto others as well.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
he'll be on there eventually. Wasn't initially aiming for "most popular" however. We'll see whether the Vlade phenomenon was just Vlade or whether when other popular guys from that era pop on they'll jump up ahead of better players. All depends on the definition of "great" which I left intentionally ambiguous so people could decide it themselves.
P.S. You can vote for write in candidates if there is an egregious omission.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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SacKings2002NBAChampions
Guest
Lol...
Your argument is futile. Stojakovic was traded to Indiana and was averaging 21ppg before he got injured and was never the same again despite showing brilliance at New Orleans and Dallas but that back injury was the end his career.
You either didn't watch the season Peja finished second in scoring or you forgot. When webber was out, Peja transformed as a player. He was aggressive and for the first time in his damn career, he began to attack the basket and he attacked it aggressively (I still remember that game where Peja posted 40+ on an elite defender like Posey and Posey threw him hard to ground after he couldn't stop him. Peja wore an elbow brace for a month after that.) Now, he wasn't the best player in the post but those European layups worked and yes Bibby and Vlade found him a lot but so did others who weren't as good passers because Peja knew when to make those runs. He knew exactly when to cut to the basket it's typical European basketball...Something you wouldn't know about. I don't care how good of a passer you are, you put Ben Mac with Vlade together and Ben will still average 10 points per game. Peja proved Vlade wasn't the only variable when he went to a crapty Indiana and became their leader averaging 21ppg. Enough said.
Nobody is claiming Peja was a hall of famer even though he could have been without the injuries and if he was more aggressive like Dirk.
We saw that aggressiveness for only one season which was his best in his career. So the glimpses were there. Either way, Peja is currently our 4th best player all time and will soon be deserving of his jersey being retired.
Will Cousins pass him? Most likely. Will Cousins love the kings as much as Peja did even after the Maloofs screwed him big time? Probably never.
I can't believe that you bumped a week-old thread, and that's the best you could come up with.
First of All™, Stojakovic never averaged twenty-one points per game in Indiana, or anywhere else besides Sacramento (cite). I do find it interesting, though, how you seem so sure of your incorrect stat that you would repeat it. Stojakovic never broke 20ppg after leaving Sacramento; he only broke 20ppg once without Vlade Divac, and that was when he still had Chris Webber, Brad Miller and Mike Bibby making him look good. Stojakovic was a player whose success was entirely the product of other people's hard work.
Despite your claims of them being "****ty," Indiana was a .500 team when he got there (cite), and they remained a .500 while he was there; he had no impact on that team at all. He wasn't the leading scorer on that team, Jermaine O'Neal was (cite). And, frankly, given how poorly defended your argument was, the numbers probably indicate that his so-called flashes of "brilliance" at New Orleans and Dallas never really happened, either.
But hey, better luck next time.
First of All™, Stojakovic never averaged twenty-one points per game in Indiana, or anywhere else besides Sacramento (cite). I do find it interesting, though, how you seem so sure of your incorrect stat that you would repeat it. Stojakovic never broke 20ppg after leaving Sacramento; he only broke 20ppg once without Vlade Divac, and that was when he still had Chris Webber, Brad Miller and Mike Bibby making him look good. Stojakovic was a player whose success was entirely the product of other people's hard work.
Despite your claims of them being "****ty," Indiana was a .500 team when he got there (cite), and they remained a .500 while he was there; he had no impact on that team at all. He wasn't the leading scorer on that team, Jermaine O'Neal was (cite). And, frankly, given how poorly defended your argument was, the numbers probably indicate that his so-called flashes of "brilliance" at New Orleans and Dallas never really happened, either.
But hey, better luck next time.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
While I don't really agree with SacKings, I certainly don't agree that Peja "was a player whose success was entirely the product of other people's hard work." That's pretty insulting to someone who had many good years as a King. A superstar he was not, but he was a "very" good player. I don't know why everything has to be one extreme or the other in a debate like this.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Nobody shot the ball for Peja but I'm sure Slim would fill in his argument by saying Peja depended on the hard work of others to get him the ball. There is nothing wrong with a guy whose primary talent is shooting when he shoots as well as Peja.
That's about right. Just because you're a guy who needs other players to make you successful doesn't mean that you're not any good. He's like a taller Rip Hamilton, and I don't know who would say that Rip wasn't any good. Reggie Miller went, basically, his whole career needing other people to get him shots, and all he is is a Hall of Famer.
For the record, I've never said that Stojakovic wasn't any good; I have said, and will continue to say, that he's overrated, and that that "MVP candidate" season was was created from whole cloth by Vlade Divac, but he was certainly good at what he did. I'd even say that he was elite at it. But he was definitely a one-trick pony, who was never a serious MVP candidate, at any point in time.
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