I know it looked pretty bad yesterday... but there was nothing we could of done yesterday... We lost because they shot lights out and we got killed on the boards.. and this was due to the fact of Skinner being out alot because of foul trouble... but as i look at the remainder of the games.. i really dont see anyone that will cause alot of match up problems for Skinner other than Big Z from Clevland.. I know come playoff time we will have to face much stronger oppents but Brad will be back.. hes a tough guy... so stop being all suicidal and demanding trades...we will fight through this and after it all said and done we will be stronger , we will have Bobby Jackson and Brad Miller back, Peja will find his touch.. the new guys will continue to play well, and we will win games !!
Key to Success from now on is Skinner
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It really depends on how you're going to define "success."
Personally, I don't want to put too much pressure on Brian Skinner at this point in the season. To be perfectly blunt, this is no longer a championship-contending team IMHO. It is a team that will reach the playoffs and, barring a miracle, most likely not make it out of the first round.
And I can live with that. I want to them to win, of course, but I'm not going to expect the impossible. IF Bobby and Brad are able to get back and contribute, we just might be able to make it deep into the playoffs but that's a really big IF. In addition, we need all-star performances on a nightly basis from guys who are still getting to know each other on and off the court. You can only expect so much.
I am arguably one of the biggest Kings team homers on this board. I don't think there's anything wrong with being realistic about this team this year. Will that stop me from rooting for them and hoping they can find a way to put it all together? Of course not. On the other hand, I'm not going to be all upset if they don't do the impossible. That's just not fair to them.
GO KINGS!!!!!
Personally, I don't want to put too much pressure on Brian Skinner at this point in the season. To be perfectly blunt, this is no longer a championship-contending team IMHO. It is a team that will reach the playoffs and, barring a miracle, most likely not make it out of the first round.
And I can live with that. I want to them to win, of course, but I'm not going to expect the impossible. IF Bobby and Brad are able to get back and contribute, we just might be able to make it deep into the playoffs but that's a really big IF. In addition, we need all-star performances on a nightly basis from guys who are still getting to know each other on and off the court. You can only expect so much.
I am arguably one of the biggest Kings team homers on this board. I don't think there's anything wrong with being realistic about this team this year. Will that stop me from rooting for them and hoping they can find a way to put it all together? Of course not. On the other hand, I'm not going to be all upset if they don't do the impossible. That's just not fair to them.
GO KINGS!!!!!
I hate to say this, but I think the key is Peja.
For the most part you know what you are going to get from the starters, Skinner included. However, with Peja you just don't know. I'm one of the ones who always thinks the next game will be Peja's "breakout" game. I'm not talking about just scoring, but hustling and showing some heart!
I hope it's not a long wait!
For the most part you know what you are going to get from the starters, Skinner included. However, with Peja you just don't know. I'm one of the ones who always thinks the next game will be Peja's "breakout" game. I'm not talking about just scoring, but hustling and showing some heart!
I hope it's not a long wait!
Well, You're Right About Two Things ....
What's right = bold black
Wishful thinking = red
Excuses = blue
Unknowns = Purple
Positives = green .... only cause we can't lose 'em all
I'm as optimistic as the next person .... but, this is biting off ALOT at one time. I refuse to look that far ahead, something could happen today. We all know how that goes !!!
The old saying .... let's just go "a game at a time".
I'm just havin' some fun, Android_KiNg ... we're on the same side.
What's right = bold black
Wishful thinking = red
Excuses = blue
Unknowns = Purple
Positives = green .... only cause we can't lose 'em all
I'm as optimistic as the next person .... but, this is biting off ALOT at one time. I refuse to look that far ahead, something could happen today. We all know how that goes !!!
The old saying .... let's just go "a game at a time".
I'm just havin' some fun, Android_KiNg ... we're on the same side.
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My Key to the Kings' success is Mike Bibby.Sure, sure you might say "easy conventional choice," but he is now the King of Kings, the MVP of this team. No one else is a creator on offense....and that scares the bleep out of me. What was the Kings strongest point is no more (if you were to ask me right now what is the Kings strong point, I honestly wouldn't know what to say right off the top of my head.) . Sure, they will still share the ball, but only Mike is more than an average passer on the team. We need him desperately to play well in all facets of the game to even have a chance to win.
Don't get overly attached to Skinner.
If indeed Petrie had some sort of grand plan with the trade, aside from dumping Chris' contract, it is crystal clear that Skinner wasn't a part of that plan. Both Adelman and Reynolds, obviously both on the inside with the trade deal, have publicly stated that they are surprised with Brian's very nice on-court performance. So, despite the fact that Skinner looks to be decently priced at mid-level money, I don't think he has any greater leghold on staying than any of the 3 newbies. We got a healthy dose yesterday of Skinner's limitations - height, offense, free throws. Moving him to the 4 is possible, but again I don't see that as part of the grand plan.
I would not be surprised to see all 3 new guys jettisoned off somewhere else in this coming summer of major change, including Skinner.
If indeed Petrie had some sort of grand plan with the trade, aside from dumping Chris' contract, it is crystal clear that Skinner wasn't a part of that plan. Both Adelman and Reynolds, obviously both on the inside with the trade deal, have publicly stated that they are surprised with Brian's very nice on-court performance. So, despite the fact that Skinner looks to be decently priced at mid-level money, I don't think he has any greater leghold on staying than any of the 3 newbies. We got a healthy dose yesterday of Skinner's limitations - height, offense, free throws. Moving him to the 4 is possible, but again I don't see that as part of the grand plan.
I would not be surprised to see all 3 new guys jettisoned off somewhere else in this coming summer of major change, including Skinner.
The key to the Kings' success is Rick Adelman. He has to, once again, find a way to coax wins out of a team that has had a myriad of changes and should, by all logic, simply roll over and play dead.
There is simply no one else I would trust at the helm of our Kings right now. If anyone can do the impossible, it will be Adelman.
There is simply no one else I would trust at the helm of our Kings right now. If anyone can do the impossible, it will be Adelman.
I disagree. The very fact that Adelman and Reynolds have been pleasantly surprised might, in fact, be the clue to his future with the Kings. His shot-blocking and rebounds make him valuable, even if there are a few centers he simply will not be able to match up with. Having him come off the bench could be key in some instances.
And I think you're off-base with the "obviously both on the inside with the trade deal" comment. Petrie wouldn't have told either one of them anything, but ESPECIALLY not Adelman. You don't put a coach in a position like that. "Okay, everybody, pack for Dallas...Um, Webber? You might want to pack really light!"
And I think you're off-base with the "obviously both on the inside with the trade deal" comment. Petrie wouldn't have told either one of them anything, but ESPECIALLY not Adelman. You don't put a coach in a position like that. "Okay, everybody, pack for Dallas...Um, Webber? You might want to pack really light!"
Only Looking to This Season ...
I think alot of what people are saying/doing is showing their support for Skinner. The Arco Crowd has shown their approval and acceptance of Skinner. He's all we've got right now .... not to make that sound desperate, but he is. He's already voiced his feelings that he loves it here and loves that he's getting minutes to play .... lotsa minutes.
If anything, it's a "GIVE/GIVE" relationship that none of us know how long it's going to be. So while he's here and we're all King's fans ..... he's puttin' in the hard work and givin' the love and being grateful.
How can you not like a guy like that ???
I think alot of what people are saying/doing is showing their support for Skinner. The Arco Crowd has shown their approval and acceptance of Skinner. He's all we've got right now .... not to make that sound desperate, but he is. He's already voiced his feelings that he loves it here and loves that he's getting minutes to play .... lotsa minutes.
If anything, it's a "GIVE/GIVE" relationship that none of us know how long it's going to be. So while he's here and we're all King's fans ..... he's puttin' in the hard work and givin' the love and being grateful.
How can you not like a guy like that ???
Ditto here.
For the partially color-blind among us (red-green deficiency), using fonts, bold, underline, and font size would be a welcome alternative, although with a little effort I was able to figure it all out...
FYI - here's what I am talking about:
http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.html
I see the 25 and the 2. The 56 is very iffy, but since I know what should be there my brain helps me see it, I think.
For the partially color-blind among us (red-green deficiency), using fonts, bold, underline, and font size would be a welcome alternative, although with a little effort I was able to figure it all out...
FYI - here's what I am talking about:
http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.html
I see the 25 and the 2. The 56 is very iffy, but since I know what should be there my brain helps me see it, I think.
I obviously have no idea how the Webber trade came down behind the scenes, but I do recall Petrie saying something about talking with Adelman about the Christie trade before it happened. It only makes sense.
Reynolds is Director of Player Personnel, so obviously he was in the know.
But the timing of WHEN these guys knew is irrelevant. What IS important and no one will argue, is that Petrie MUST have explained the reasoning for the trade to these guys no later than when it came down.
Since Skinner is a surprise, he wasn't part of any long-term strategy with the trade. That is, IF there was a long-term strategy. Can Brian's play thru the end of this year change that? Of course. But I don't feel that he is any safer than any of the other new guys. Petrie will seek out better.
Reynolds is Director of Player Personnel, so obviously he was in the know.
But the timing of WHEN these guys knew is irrelevant. What IS important and no one will argue, is that Petrie MUST have explained the reasoning for the trade to these guys no later than when it came down.
Since Skinner is a surprise, he wasn't part of any long-term strategy with the trade. That is, IF there was a long-term strategy. Can Brian's play thru the end of this year change that? Of course. But I don't feel that he is any safer than any of the other new guys. Petrie will seek out better.
Granted I'm sure both Adelman and Reynolds eventually knew. And you're right. I'm sure the trade was explained at some point.
I have to wonder if Petrie was thinking about Skinner's performance before he was banished to Siberia at the end of the Sixers' bench. It wouldn't surprise me. I think Skinner has enough talent in the rebounding and shot-blocking department to make him definitely worth considering into the future.
I have to wonder if Petrie was thinking about Skinner's performance before he was banished to Siberia at the end of the Sixers' bench. It wouldn't surprise me. I think Skinner has enough talent in the rebounding and shot-blocking department to make him definitely worth considering into the future.
i really like this point about skinner. the kings dont expect him to get 15 points a night, but if he does, then its a major bonus. you do know that he will, however, get you a good amount of rebounds and (much to my surprise) a few blocks. he's only like 6'9" but he's got great timing. with guys like eddie house, ya never know if his shots gonna be on. with a young player like darius, ya never know if he's gonna be able to stay out of foul trouble long enough to be a factor. but with a guy like skinner, ya know what yer gettin every night, and ya can rely on him to play within himself. his reliability is a very useful tool coming off the bench (when we're healthy, obviously, and he's not starting).
If utilized properly AND with Miller in the mix, Skinner could be very effective at doing what he seems to do better than anyone we've had for quite a while - he can BLOCK SHOTS and get a ton of rebounds. He's athletic - and I don't see him leaving unless we get something better in return.
People are assuming Skinner was a surprise. I don't think so. I think Petrie knew all along what he was capable of IF he was in the right system and allowed to play.
People are assuming Skinner was a surprise. I don't think so. I think Petrie knew all along what he was capable of IF he was in the right system and allowed to play.
Thanks for the link ....
My mother-in-law is colorblind .... my father-in-law has all these weird colored stuff in his closet the he never wears. Alot of ties and shirts !!!
I'll try to remember that when I start analyzing posts ..... sorry !!!
Warhawk said:
Ditto here.
For the partially color-blind among us (red-green deficiency), using fonts, bold, underline, and font size would be a welcome alternative, although with a little effort I was able to figure it all out...
FYI - here's what I am talking about:
http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.html
I see the 25 and the 2. The 56 is very iffy, but since I know what should be there my brain helps me see it, I think.
For the partially color-blind among us (red-green deficiency), using fonts, bold, underline, and font size would be a welcome alternative, although with a little effort I was able to figure it all out...
FYI - here's what I am talking about:
http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.html
I see the 25 and the 2. The 56 is very iffy, but since I know what should be there my brain helps me see it, I think.
I'll try to remember that when I start analyzing posts ..... sorry !!!
No doubt Bibby is our key guy now, esecially since he's the best on the team at creating his own shot and does so while keeping the rest of the guys involved. But still, he's more of a shooter than scorer and what we need is one or two scorers...guys you can go to for points (this is why I've argued since last year that we need someone like Paul Pierce) Most of our guys are shooters who, when left open, can make the uncontested shot. But honestly, we don't have anyone to go to when we've gone cold. At least someone like Pierce will take it to the hoop and draw the foul. Anyway, hope GP can work his magic again and bring us someone via trade because there's no way we can buy FA's without giving up some of our big contracts.
