Kevin Martin out at least a month?
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DocHolliday
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I've changed the thread title to reflect that we don't really know anything yet...
Didn't Bonzi Wells have a pulled groin that first moved Kevin into a starting slot?
...sigh...
The difference is with Bonzi is it was a partial or complete tear. So far Kevins' injury is being talked about as a "pull". If it's just a pull depending on the severity we are talking 2-6 weeks.
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DoughDole
G-League
The way he was able to walk off the court on his own, I did not think for a second it would be in the 4-6 week variety. Oh well hope you're right on the optimistic 2 weeks, but then again we wouldn't want him to return too soon and re -aggravate it right? I remember a few years back Peja had a groin pull against the Lakers and missed only a few games.
I've changed the thread title to reflect that we don't really know anything yet...
Didn't Bonzi Wells have a pulled groin that first moved Kevin into a starting slot?
...sigh...
I believe so.
Martin also became a star when Bonzi got hurt...
Lets see if Douby or Garcia could get something similar going.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
It's not the end of the world. No long term damage. This team isn't going anywhere anytime soon anyway. Maybe it gives us a higher pick, maybe it doesn't. (I hope it does). Salmons and Garcia get more time to showcase and develop their skills. Both have more defensive grit than Kevin, so it will be interesting to see what the loss really means in Ws and Ls.
Jerryaki
Starter
in the short term, i'm not worried, since i think garcia or salmons can fill the missing stats for our games in the interim. not worried about this helping our draft position either, as there are apparently teams far worse than us. so no draft hopes there...
what i do worry about is when kevin gets back from the injury. truly hope he doesn't re-aggravate it, and more importantly doesn't lose his confidence/mojo like garcia did last year after he tweaked his ankle. kevin NEEDS to remain productive in the coming years.
what i do worry about is when kevin gets back from the injury. truly hope he doesn't re-aggravate it, and more importantly doesn't lose his confidence/mojo like garcia did last year after he tweaked his ankle. kevin NEEDS to remain productive in the coming years.
=LarryLegend=
Starter
I dont think we have to worry about his confidence. he knows he can play at a high rate. what this means to me.....is its Douby time. we all know salmons is a way better one on one player than martin, plus salmons will bring his defense. I want to see some improvement from douby.
Hawes vs Kaman!! i want to see that match up.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
we're losing 24ppg, no matter how you look at it...ouch...
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AriesMar27
Guest
hopefully its salmons or artest that goes off and not garcia... they are already under contract... lets boost their trade value and not increase garcia's future contract negoiations...
Daniela
Bench
Looks like Sexy Salmons has his starting position back.
My husband was moving hay bales and he BARELY and I mean BARELY twisted a little awkwardly and he poiled his groin and tore muscles. He had a jet black bruise from the bottom of his "area" all the way down to his knee and he could not move for about 3 weeks and was very tentative on it for about another 2 weeks. It is horribly painful and it takes quite a while to heal.
Crossing my fingers for Kevin and the Kings!! Salmons, Garcia and Douby better keep stepping it up!!!
My husband was moving hay bales and he BARELY and I mean BARELY twisted a little awkwardly and he poiled his groin and tore muscles. He had a jet black bruise from the bottom of his "area" all the way down to his knee and he could not move for about 3 weeks and was very tentative on it for about another 2 weeks. It is horribly painful and it takes quite a while to heal.
Crossing my fingers for Kevin and the Kings!! Salmons, Garcia and Douby better keep stepping it up!!!
Gary
All-Star
The only positives I see are;
1. Garcia gets more playing time. Maybe we can teach him how NOT to hog the ball and run into defenders in this time.
2. Artest's PPG will go up a bit imo, and make his trade value that much more. By the deadline we should have Martin back, and a contending team in need of a defender/SF will look at Artest and lick his chops.
3. Douby gets more playing time to develop. We can figure out whether or not he is in our future plans as a BJax type player.
4. Hello top 5 pick!
1. Garcia gets more playing time. Maybe we can teach him how NOT to hog the ball and run into defenders in this time.
2. Artest's PPG will go up a bit imo, and make his trade value that much more. By the deadline we should have Martin back, and a contending team in need of a defender/SF will look at Artest and lick his chops.
3. Douby gets more playing time to develop. We can figure out whether or not he is in our future plans as a BJax type player.
4. Hello top 5 pick!
ZanesvilleFan
G-League
Im going to go out on a limb and say he will be back on January 4th for the game in cleveland. I am pretty sure that ALL of Zanesville will be at the game and it would be terrible news to Zanesville if he wasnt playing.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I hope that the results of the MRI on Martin's groin are posted when available. According to Amick, Theus was surprised to hear that Martin would be out 4-6 weeks as no one told him. He heard it from the media on Wednesday. It sounds like the night of the injury was filled with gloomy hysteria. Now, to be clear, the results of an MRI and an actual medical doctor's examination may lead to a prognosis that Martin will be out 4-6 weeks. But, until we hear that from someone with valid credentials, we don't know. Theus said that he had a minor groin pull and had heard that 10 days to three weeks was a normal amount of time out.
It all depends on the exam and resultant medical opinion.
It all depends on the exam and resultant medical opinion.
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And Sam Amick isn't necessarily the end-all source of valid information when it comes to things like this. If Theus isn't sure, and the MRI results aren't available, ANY info Amick got is at least partially speculative. I know Grant kept saying it on his show right after the game and finally stated that it was just his opinion based on what he knew of other similar injuries.
I'll be waiting for an official announcement (or whisper in my ear from my favorite "inner voice")...
I'll be waiting for an official announcement (or whisper in my ear from my favorite "inner voice")...
PurpleHaze
All-Star
I agree it's all SPECULATION until confirmed. But here's what I do know. Kevin Martin is in superb condition at 24, not a soon to be over-the-hill 30+. Coach Theus knows this and that's why he's probably thinking back in 10 days to 2 weeks not 4-6 weeks. Theus is also a lot more likely to be in daily close contact with Kevin than Sam Amick or anyone else in the media. Those who saw Kevin walk to the locker room after his injury were probably somewhat encouraged. He did not appear to be in excruciating pain, needing assistance, or limping terribly. It had the initial look of a relatively minor pull and hopefully that's all it is and he'll be back a lot sooner than all the - SPECULATION.
Jechtsphere
Starter
MRI confirms it's a strained groin
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/009478.html
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/009478.html
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Okay, I am going to pretend here that we have an actual front office, and look at this tactically.
1) on the one hand, Kevin Martin would be one of the last guys you would want to be hurt (if any of them were to be), because he's a young guy. He may or may not actually still be developing, but he is still establishing himself.
2) however on the other hand Kevin being gone for 4-6 weeks might be better than it being Brad or Ron, or whoever. The reason being that Kevin is going to be here (barring ridiculous Kobe trade or whatnot). So he's the bird in the hand. Now the vets...they may not. If you put Ron or Brad or those type guys down for 4-6 weeks they become virtually untradeable, and your options are limited. If its Kevin, well you weren't going to move him anyway. And meanwhile maybe you lose a few more games for draft position, and get one last look at whether Douby has a role in theis league -- mentioned a few games back that barring injury his role with us was done. Well, here was that injury.
Now of course back to reality, and reality being our front office has consistently been timid to the point of deer in headlights paralyzation. ANY excuse ot NOT do anything has been seized upon again and again while they wet their little beds from the stress. So if that pattern holds, Kevin being hurt will actually be yet another excuse NOT to do anything, because we are already shorthanded, and so how could we make a trade when we are already playing wiht less than a full deck (following of course the before season excuse that there was a new coach, and you had to see how he did, and the early seaosn excuse that guys were out, and so the team hadn't had a chance to play together, and the recent excuse that hey we were winning a few so you can't break that up, and...and...the key word here being "excuse".
1) on the one hand, Kevin Martin would be one of the last guys you would want to be hurt (if any of them were to be), because he's a young guy. He may or may not actually still be developing, but he is still establishing himself.
2) however on the other hand Kevin being gone for 4-6 weeks might be better than it being Brad or Ron, or whoever. The reason being that Kevin is going to be here (barring ridiculous Kobe trade or whatnot). So he's the bird in the hand. Now the vets...they may not. If you put Ron or Brad or those type guys down for 4-6 weeks they become virtually untradeable, and your options are limited. If its Kevin, well you weren't going to move him anyway. And meanwhile maybe you lose a few more games for draft position, and get one last look at whether Douby has a role in theis league -- mentioned a few games back that barring injury his role with us was done. Well, here was that injury.
Now of course back to reality, and reality being our front office has consistently been timid to the point of deer in headlights paralyzation. ANY excuse ot NOT do anything has been seized upon again and again while they wet their little beds from the stress. So if that pattern holds, Kevin being hurt will actually be yet another excuse NOT to do anything, because we are already shorthanded, and so how could we make a trade when we are already playing wiht less than a full deck (following of course the before season excuse that there was a new coach, and you had to see how he did, and the early seaosn excuse that guys were out, and so the team hadn't had a chance to play together, and the recent excuse that hey we were winning a few so you can't break that up, and...and...the key word here being "excuse".
They're still saying 4-6 weeks.
I think that's because too often 2-3 weeks isn't enough time, even for just a "strain".
chelle
Starter
I would MUCH rather him be out longer now that coming back sooner and risking further damage. I want him to take all the time he needs to come back fully healthy. I am just sad that it will probably hurt his all star chances.
Has a date been given for Bibby's return? I am wondering if they will be coming back at about the same time - probably mid January.
Has a date been given for Bibby's return? I am wondering if they will be coming back at about the same time - probably mid January.
Kevin was on Sportsline and said that 4 weeks would really be the low end - sounds like he expects to be out for about 6 or more.....
Good. I'm glad he's being cautious.
He has a bright future. No need to take risks with this.
